Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Next on PFF- who would you rather have at QB: Aaron Rodgers or Jameis Winston? Well, Winston does add a level of excitement by risk taking and unpredictability for the team, and that's just regarding grocery shopping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I'm trying to imagine what it'd actually be like to give a **** about what PFF thinks... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Never have read their stuff, don’t care what they say 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Holy Whisker Twisters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is a site that has admitted to trolling Bills fans for a reaction. I’m done with them at this point. I’m no longer feeding into their BS. Typically, I’m not overly sensitive when it comes to the Bills. They are just too much for me. I’m unfollowing them and encourage you to do the same. I stopped reading. Pre Allen I was even a member , I always hated their rating systems but used it as a tool to get one side of the story on a specific player or comparison purposes on their deep diving stats. Since last off season they really lost all respect and credibility . I stopped following on social media. Never visit their site , only see articles on here and Twitter occasionally. Just stop supporting them and stop reacting to the clear Allen hate and bias . I think Josh might have had relations with a high ranking staffers wife or gf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I think Josh might have had relations with a high ranking staffers wife or gf! Holly Bankemper a cougar, doin' the wild thing with Josh?! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Holly Bankemper a cougar, doin' the wild thing with Josh?! ? ?? Cougars are wild animals and Josh is known to get a little wreckless with his balls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Why do Bills fans get so upset when media outlets criticize Allen? It goes without saying that he was raw coming out of Wyoming and needs time to reach his peak. But it is also true that Josh Allen has played somewhat like his scouting reports have said - he's been erratic at times, shows questionable decision making in an effort to make plays, the offense he leads doesn't score many points, and he misses throws. So as we've been talking about, the 2020 season is a litmus test. With improved weapons (that's why 2018 isn't a good measure - rookie and poor weapons/line) Allen needs to pick up his passing ability. His running isn't enough to offset his lack of passing efficiency. So far its been an inefficient, sporadic offense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Why do Bills fans get so upset when media outlets criticize Allen? It goes without saying that he was raw coming out of Wyoming and needs time to reach his peak. But it is also true that Josh Allen has played somewhat like his scouting reports have said - he's been erratic at times, shows questionable decision making in an effort to make plays, the offense he leads doesn't score many points, and he misses throws. So as we've been talking about, the 2020 season is a litmus test. With improved weapons (that's why 2018 isn't a good measure - rookie and poor weapons/line) Allen needs to pick up his passing ability. His running isn't enough to offset his lack of passing efficiency. So far its been an inefficient, sporadic offense. If you read through the thread I’ve explained my position. My position is that I have no issue with Josh being compared to young, raw, ASCENDING players. I’m even okay with Jones or Haskins. PFF took the guy that has cratered out as their comparison in an attempt to troll. It wasn’t really about “who will have a better career from here on out?” It was about, “who can we compare Allen to in order to maximize our clicks?” Keep in mind there is a very good chance that Trubisky spends at least the next couple of years as a backup. Josh is an unquestioned starter at minimum for this year. He is absolutely ascending while Trubisky fell off a cliff. Edited May 12, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If you read through the thread I’ve explained my position. My position is that I have no issue with Josh being compared to young, raw, ASCENDING players. I’m even okay with Jones or Haskins. PFF took the guy that has cratered out as their comparison in an attempt to troll. It wasn’t really about “who will have a better career from here on out?” Or was about, “who can we compare Allen to in order to maximize our clicks?” Keep in mind there is a very good chance that Trubisky spends at least the next couple of years as a backup. Josh is an unquestioned starter at minimum for this year. He is absolutely ascending while Trubisky fell off a cliff. If Allen doesn't improve from where he is as a passer, he is Mitchell Trubisky. Mitchell's 2nd season was better than Allen in terms of yards, passing touchdowns, and completion percentage. Josh has to improve, because he is not a viable starter long term otherwise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: If Allen doesn't improve from where he is as a passer, he is Mitchell Trubisky. Mitchell's 2nd season was better than Allen in terms of yards, passing touchdowns, and completion percentage. Josh has to improve, because he is not a viable starter long term otherwise. The number of football fans who would take Mitch Trubisky over Josh Allen is directly correlated to how many family members Mitch Trubisky has. PFF knows this. Everyone would take Josh at this point. It is a moronic question. But they make a video on it, just to troll and get engagement with Bills fans. It’s hacky and embarrassing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: The number of football fans who would take Mitch Trubisky over Josh Allen is directly correlated to how many family members Mitch Trubisky has. PFF knows this. Everyone would take Josh at this point. It is a moronic question. But they make a video on it, just to troll and get engagement with Bills fans. It’s hacky and embarrassing. Whether you rank Josh 21st, 23rd, 25th it doesn't really matter. The Bills need more points to really win anything. This is like when Bills fans argued Trent Edwards, JP Losman or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Whether they're ranked 27th or 21st, it's the bottom 3rd of the league. So Trubisky is the latest media whipping boy and that's fine, PFF wants some clicks, ok, but Allen's play has come under more scrutiny since the season ended the way it did. Like I said above, 2018 I don't give much thought, he was a raw rookie with an empty cupboard to work with. In 2019, he was much better relative to himself. Now he needs to climb the ranks of the league. Because people scoff at someone like Gardner Minshew. But he came in and had better passing numbers right away for a Jags team under archaic Doug Marrone. Maybe the raw passing numbers don't tell the whole story, still the ranking range is still the same, 20's. And the Bills can't really win like that. I think it's fine to openly say that. Edited May 12, 2020 by Straight Hucklebuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: If Allen doesn't improve from where he is as a passer, he is Mitchell Trubisky. Mitchell's 2nd season was better than Allen in terms of yards, passing touchdowns, and completion percentage. Josh has to improve, because he is not a viable starter long term otherwise. ...and as I said earlier I would have had no issue with the question a year ago. The players are in COMPLETELY different positions at this point. One is +1800 to be the MVP of the league coming off a solid year where he took big steps. His team is positioned to take the next step forward. The other just had his 5th year option declined and will be competing with a career backup for the starting job. It seems like an odd time to compare the 2. Who will have a better career from here on out Josh Allen or Daniel Jones is a reasonable question. I happen to believe that it will be Allen but can see where you may go Jones. Both are young players that had some questions coming out. Both have had some good moments and some bad moments. Both are UNQUESTIONED STARTERS with questions lingering. The same could be said for Baker or Darnold. There are plenty of reasonable comparisons for Allen at this point. They answered Allen to have an out. If he continues to develop they can always fall back on “while we said it would be Allen.” They asked the question to troll. It’s the same reason that they said Duck Hodges was the better QB in the Pittsburgh matchup. You get a lot more clicks by sensationalism than you do with the obvious truth. It’s like if I tweeted “aliens landed in my backyard this morning” with a link. That would get a lot more clicks than a tweet saying “aliens didn’t land in my backyard this morning.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: ...and as I said earlier I would have had no issue with the question a year ago. The players are in COMPLETELY different positions at this point. One is +1800 to be the MVP of the league coming off a solid year where he took big steps. His team is positioned to take the next step forward. The other just had his 5th year option declined and will be competing with a career backup for the starting job. It seems like an odd time to compare the 2. Who will have a better career from here on out Josh Allen or Daniel Jones is a reasonable question. I happen to believe that it will be Allen but can see where you may go Jones. Both are young players that had some questions coming out. Both have had some good moments and some bad moments. Both are UNQUESTIONED STARTERS with questions lingering. The same could be said for Baker or Darnold. There are plenty of reasonable comparisons for Allen at this point. They answered Allen to have an out. If he continues to develop they can always fall back on “while we said it would be Allen.” They asked the question to troll. It’s the same reason that they said Duck Hodges was the better QB in the Pittsburgh matchup. You get a lot more clicks by sensationalism than you do with the obvious truth. It’s like if I tweeted “aliens landed in my backyard this morning” with a link. That would get a lot more clicks than a tweet saying “aliens didn’t land in my backyard this morning.” Ok, but why is this so upsetting? If you're a Bills fan and you get upset at this I have to ask why? Why is the natural reaction to rush in and defend all the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Whether you rank Josh 21st, 23rd, 25th it doesn't really matter. The Bills need more points to really win anything. This is like when Bills fans argued Trent Edwards, JP Losman or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Whether they're ranked 27th or 21st, it's the bottom 3rd of the league. So Trubisky is the latest media whipping boy and that's fine, PFF wants some clicks, ok, but Allen's play has come under more scrutiny since the season ended the way it did. Like I said above, 2018 I don't give much thought, he was a raw rookie with an empty cupboard to work with. In 2019, he was much better relative to himself. Now he needs to climb the ranks of the league. Because people scoff at someone like Gardner Minshew. But he came in and had better passing numbers right away for a Jags team under archaic Doug Marrone. Maybe the raw passing numbers don't tell the whole story, still the ranking range is still the same, 20's. And the Bills can't really win like that. I think it's fine to openly say that. The question wasn’t though “is Josh Allen a top 20 QB?” The question is “who will have the better career?” PFF knows that 99.99% of people, at this point, will say Josh. They picked such an extreme to troll. FWIW, I could have lived with Minshew. At least he appears ascending and is a starter. Edited May 12, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Whether you rank Josh 21st, 23rd, 25th it doesn't really matter. The Bills need more points to really win anything. This is like when Bills fans argued Trent Edwards, JP Losman or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Whether they're ranked 27th or 21st, it's the bottom 3rd of the league. So Trubisky is the latest media whipping boy and that's fine, PFF wants some clicks, ok, but Allen's play has come under more scrutiny since the season ended the way it did. Like I said above, 2018 I don't give much thought, he was a raw rookie with an empty cupboard to work with. In 2019, he was much better relative to himself. Now he needs to climb the ranks of the league. Because people scoff at someone like Gardner Minshew. But he came in and had better passing numbers right away for a Jags team under archaic Doug Marrone. Maybe the raw passing numbers don't tell the whole story, still the ranking range is still the same, 20's. And the Bills can't really win like that. I think it's fine to openly say that. None of this is what PFF said in their video. You are arguing something no one else is arguing. Asking “would you take Trubisky or Allen” is a dumb question at this stage. Period. PFF asked that question to troll Bills fans. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Ok, but why is this so upsetting? If you're a Bills fan and you get upset at this I have to ask why? Why is the natural reaction to rush in and defend all the time? hey big guy...we've seen you upset a number of times on here. we could ask you the same question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The question wasn’t though “is Josh Allen a top 20 QB?” The question is “who will have the better career?” PFF knows that 99.99% of people, at this point, will say Josh. They picked such an extreme to troll. FWIW, I could have lived with Minshew. At least he appears ascending and is a starter. Even more telling, they broached this subject with “I’ve been pondering this question for a few days” and then the other guy goes, “hands down Josh Allen.” Then the guy who was pondering goes with, “yeah Trubisky was a better prospect coming out but I go with Josh Allen.” There’s zero actual debate or effort. It wasn’t even a discussion. It was solely a point made for a clickbait troll headline. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, FireChans said: None of this is what PFF said in their video. You are arguing something no one else is arguing. Asking “would you take Trubisky or Allen” is a dumb question at this stage. Period. PFF asked that question to troll Bills fans. Period. I would take Allen too, but it's not this landslide, no-brainer type question. We have the hindsight of knowing how Trubisky's 3rd year panned out, so he has two poor/mediocre years, with an improvement year sandwiched in the middle. Those critical of the Allen pick based on what they saw in college have not been proven wrong IMO. He displays the same traits as his Scouting Reports said he would, and so 2020 is really a gut check on whether he can overcome that. If he goes out in 2020 and the same year as he did in 2019, the Bills would be smart to get more competition. Which is the same as Trubisky faces now. So the direct comparison has less significance than what arc you project Allen's 3rd year to be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: One is +1800 to be the MVP of the league coming off a solid year where he took big steps. He’s currently +6000 which is tied for 24th most likely to win among QBs. Trubisky is literally the next QB on the list at +8000 (tied with Foles). https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1973591 Edited May 12, 2020 by Billl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I don't think they are intentionally trying to "troll" Bills fans they just don't believe in Josh Allen as a QB1. Its an informed opinion and I hope Allen's play this year makes them not only regret sharing it but makes them reassess how they evaluate QBs in the future. I not only don't mind informed contrarian opinions like this I want to read them to understand their thought process. If it turns out to accurate it will certainly impact how I view the Bills selection of Allen's successor. I understand getting angry at writers who express strictly emotion based opinions and hate a player, team or team management no matter what they do but objective informed opinion is always welcomed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Billl said: He’s currently +6000 which is tied for 24th most likely to win among QBs. Trubisky is literally the next QB on the list at +8000 (tied with Foles). https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1973591 Not on an actual betting site. I was on Bovada yesterday and took a screenshot to share. As of right now, on an actual betting site, he is +1800.@Limeaid sent me how to make it smaller. Give me a few minutes to try. Edited May 12, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not on an actual betting site. I was on Bovada yesterday and took a screenshot to share. As of right now, on an actual betting site, he is +1800.@Limeaid sent me how to make it smaller. Give me a few minutes to try. First time you've ever needed to make it smaller? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 hours ago, GoBills808 said: What game have the Bills won with Allen at QB that they had no business winning? He wasn't horrible against Baltimore lmao. That's a top defense playing lights out at the time...Allen was average. The offensive line was getting abused and he took some shots. Be honest...you didn't watch the game, you looked @his stat line and a couple highlights. Here’s the link to the Ravens game. Feel free to watch it again. He was terrible. It’s okay to acknowledge that he repeatedly missed receivers by several yards and took huge sacks. https://gamepass.nfl.com/game/ravens-at-bills-on-12082019?condensed=true The Bills were down 16-0 late in the 3rd quarteragainst the Jets. Allen had thrown 2 INTs and lost 2 fumbles, but he led 3 straight scoring drives to win the game. 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not on an actual betting site. I was on Bovada yesterday and took a screenshot to share. As of right now, on an actual betting site, he is +1800.@Limeaid sent me how to make it smaller. Give me a few minutes to try. If you like him at +1800, go to Sportsbook.ag and get much better odds. They’re at 40-1 as of right now. https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/nfl-betting/2020-season-futures-regular-season-mvp.sbk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Billl said: Here’s the link to the Ravens game. Feel free to watch it again. He was terrible. It’s okay to acknowledge that he repeatedly missed receivers by several yards and took huge sacks. https://gamepass.nfl.com/game/ravens-at-bills-on-12082019?condensed=true The Bills were down 16-0 late in the 3rd quarteragainst the Jets. Allen had thrown 2 INTs and lost 2 fumbles, but he led 3 straight scoring drives to win the game. If you like him at +1800, go to Sportsbook.ag and get much better odds. They’re at 40-1 as of right now. https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/nfl-betting/2020-season-futures-regular-season-mvp.sbk Love him at 40:1, not a fan at 18:1. He has a VERY clear path the the MVP this year. If the Bills win 11 or 12 games and take down the mighty Pats they will be all of the buzz. If Allen takes another step forward he would be right in the mix. It’s absolutely worth money at 40:1. He could have 40 - 45 total TDs and 4,500 total yards. That’s basically the year that Cam had when he won MVP. I’m not saying that’s likely but it’s definitely possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 15 hours ago, inaugural balls said: it's like asking who's nicer, Mother Teresa or Jeffrey Dahmer. What about Mother Dahmer? I hear she's a real hoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Love him at 40:1, not a fan at 18:1. He has a VERY clear path the the MVP this year. If the Bills win 11 or 12 games and take down the mighty Pats they will be all of the buzz. If Allen takes another step forward he would be right in the mix. It’s absolutely worth money at 40:1. He could have 40 - 45 total TDs and 4,500 total yards. That’s basically the year that Cam had when he won MVP. I’m not saying that’s likely but it’s definitely possible. I agree. As of today, I don’t think an objective observer can say with any degree of certainty that JA is or isn’t the long term answer. This time next year, I don’t think that will be the case. I’m also of the opinion that if you can’t tell who a QB is after year 3, then it’s time to find his replacement because that’s how you wind up in purgatory with a guy like Andy Dalton or Marcus Mariota. If he puts it together, the Bills are a very real threat to win the AFC. I think they’re the third best team in the conference behind Kansas City and Baltimore. I don’t believe in Pittsburgh at all, and New England is going to be a tough out, but they aren’t a legit Super Bowl contender IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I would take Allen too, but it's not this landslide, no-brainer type question. We have the hindsight of knowing how Trubisky's 3rd year panned out, so he has two poor/mediocre years, with an improvement year sandwiched in the middle. Those critical of the Allen pick based on what they saw in college have not been proven wrong IMO. He displays the same traits as his Scouting Reports said he would, and so 2020 is really a gut check on whether he can overcome that. If he goes out in 2020 and the same year as he did in 2019, the Bills would be smart to get more competition. Which is the same as Trubisky faces now. So the direct comparison has less significance than what arc you project Allen's 3rd year to be. It’s not hindsight when the question is who would you take TODAY. Not who would you take last year. Knowing what we know TODAY, no one is taking Trubisky over Allen going forward. No one. Again, you are trying to argue things PFF did not argue. And you're wrong on your other points. If Allen has the exact same year in 2020 that he did in 2019, he’d be far better than Trubisky because Mitch didn’t have the same year 3, he regressed hard. Edited May 12, 2020 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: It’s not hindsight when the question is who would you take TODAY. Not who would you take last year. Knowing what we know TODAY, no one is taking Trubisky over Allen going forward. No one. Again, you are trying to argue things PFF did not argue. And you're wrong on your other points. If Allen has the exact same year in 2020 that he did in 2019, he’d be far better than Trubisky because Mitch didn’t have the same year 3, he regressed hard. Mitch threw for 17 TDs and 10 Ints, 3,138 yards, with 209 ypg and rating of 83.0. He ran for 2 TDs, 2 lost fumbles. Allen was 20 TDs and 9 Ints, 3,089 yards, at 193 ypg and a rating of 85.3. Josh ran for 9 TDs, 4 lost fumbles. This is not a country mile type separation here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Mitch threw for 17 TDs and 10 Ints, 3,138 yards, with 209 ypg and rating of 83.0. He ran for 2 TDs, 2 lost fumbles. Allen was 20 TDs and 9 Ints, 3,089 yards, at 193 ypg and a rating of 85.3. Josh ran for 9 TDs, 4 lost fumbles. This is not a country mile type separation here. So Josh had 10 more TDs, 1 more turnover, 3 more yards a game (have to include rushing when talking about these 2) with 1 less year experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Mitch threw for 17 TDs and 10 Ints, 3,138 yards, with 209 ypg and rating of 83.0. He ran for 2 TDs, 2 lost fumbles. Allen was 20 TDs and 9 Ints, 3,089 yards, at 193 ypg and a rating of 85.3. Josh ran for 9 TDs, 4 lost fumbles. This is not a country mile type separation here. So Josh Allen was clearly better in his second year than Trubisky was in his 3rd year, and Trubisky had already regressed hard, but there’s not a country mile difference? Sure man. Whatever. 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: So Josh had 10 more TDs, 1 more turnover, 3 more yards a game (have to include rushing when talking about these 2) with 1 less year experience? And hasn’t yet fallen off a cliff and needed his team to trade for a vet to replace him. Wow, the debate rages on, I don’t know who I’d take at this point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/mitchell-trubisky-most-popular-bet-nfl-mvp%3famp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: So Josh Allen was clearly better in his second year than Trubisky was in his 3rd year, and Trubisky had already regressed hard, but there’s not a country mile difference? Sure man. Whatever. And hasn’t yet fallen off a cliff and needed his team to trade for a vet to replace him. Wow, the debate rages on, I don’t know who I’d take at this point! Yeah we'll just ignore Trubisky's 2nd year with the 11-3 record and 95 QB rating. His fall off the cliff year is not that far from 2nd year Allen... Allen accounted for 0.625 more TDs per game that Trubisky in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/mitchell-trubisky-most-popular-bet-nfl-mvp%3famp "This doesn't mean he is the favorite, or anything close. Patrick Mahomes is still the favorite and there are plenty of other quarterbacks higher up the list. Khalil Mack's odds aren't even as long as Trubisky's, but long odds make for a tempting bet." Not only was your article completely irrelevant, you failed to understand the point of the article and sports gambling in general. The Triple Threat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Lol... I expect nothing less from that outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: So Josh Allen was clearly better in his second year than Trubisky was in his 3rd year, and Trubisky had already regressed hard, but there’s not a country mile difference? Sure man. Whatever. And hasn’t yet fallen off a cliff and needed his team to trade for a vet to replace him. Wow, the debate rages on, I don’t know who I’d take at this point! Of course most fans around the league would take Allen. All I'm saying is its not some landslide, laughable, lopsided debate. Allen has been a bottom tier NFL passer since coming into the league. Now, stating again for the record, he had horrendous weapons in 2018 and was a rookie, so no hard judgement there. But let's be honest here, Allen did not show a Carson Wentz-esque improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 or anything. He got better relative to his rookie self and played to the positive side of his Scouting Reports. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah we'll just ignore Trubisky's 2nd year with the 11-3 record and 95 QB rating. His fall off the cliff year is not that far from 2nd year Allen... Allen accounted for 0.625 more TDs per game that Trubisky in 2019. So he accounted for >8 more TD's on the year. I guess maybe that's why they were the 29th offense in the NFL last year. You don't have to ignore anything. Mitch had a good second year and then regressed hard, got benched for Chase Daniels and QB'd one of the worst offenses in the NFL last season. The debate is not "Trubisky's second year vs Allen's second year." The debate is who you take today. Some folks on here call me an Allen hater because I don't think the media should call him the MVP or the franchise guy yet. But if you're so blinded by your Allen take that you can't see "Trubisky v Allen today" is a insanely one sided argument, you're unsalvageable. Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Of course most every fan around the league would take Allen. All I'm saying is its not some landslide, laughable, lopsided debate. Allen has been a bottom tier NFL passer since coming into the league. Now, stating again for the record, he had horrendous weapons in 2018 and was a rookie, so no hard judgement there. But let's be honest here, Allen did not show a Carson Wentz-esque improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 or anything. He got better relative to his rookie self and played to the positive side of his Scouting Reports. FTFW Just now, FireChans said: Some folks on here call me an Allen hater because I don't think the media should call him the MVP or the franchise guy yet. But if you're so blinded by your Allen take that you can't see "Trubisky v Allen today" is a insanely one sided argument, you're unsalvageable. There's no need to continue to debate here. I vehemently disagree that Allen V Trubisky is a real debate by real people. No one has ever even brought it up except PFF and they already don't like Allen based on their system. And they STILL took Allen. It's a troll debate. No one is picking Mitch. No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah we'll just ignore Trubisky's 2nd year with the 11-3 record and 95 QB rating. His fall off the cliff year is not that far from 2nd year Allen... Allen accounted for 0.625 more TDs per game that Trubisky in 2019. Just for context Patrick Mahomes account for .1875 more TDs per game than Allen. That .625 number that you are trying to downplay is a chasm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Just for context Patrick Mahomes account for .1875 more TDs per game than Allen. That .625 number that you are trying to downplay is a chasm. Its just a validation of the early conclusions on Allen: without his running, his not a viable starting QB. Mahomes has 76 passing TDs and 18 Ints in 31 games at a 303 ypg clip. We can get into how much sitting one year helped, Andy Reid, or his weapons, but he is in another galaxy from Allen as a passer. 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Just for context Patrick Mahomes account for .1875 more TDs per game than Allen. That .625 number that you are trying to downplay is a chasm. Mahomes first year as a starter he had a 1.79 TD factor over Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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