RyanC883 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I love this "problem" we have this year at certain positions! The only positions that seem thin are backup LB and safety. Of course, LB could be filled by Joseph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Logic said: This. Unless Foster has made great strides since last year, he's gone. Davis makes his skillset redundant, and if they're even, you go with the rookie you spent a 4th on. Hodgins makes Duke's skillset redundant, and again, if they're about even, the edge goes to the rookie. McKenzie, I thought, would be safe, due to his utility as a gadget guy. However, it has recently been pointed out to me that Stefon Diggs is actually quite effective on jet sweeps throughout his career. And "he can run jet sweeps!" isn't enough of a reason to keep a guy on the roster, anyway. Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Hodgins, Roberts. If they only keep five on the active roster, Hodgins likely winds up on the practice squad. To me the fact that they non tendered McKenzie, nobody signed him, and then they re-signed him for peanuts, tells us what we need to know about McKenzie. He will be available after getting cut to be signed in case of an injury. I also think a guy like Taiwan Jones could provide a jet sweep or two. I think they keep six, including the two rookies and Roberts. Out of the incumbents, imo Foster has the best chance to stick becuase of his ability as a gunner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 13 hours ago, Logic said: There isn't a 55. It's still a 53. The new rules state that you can bring two people up from your practice squad on a game week, but at the conclusion of that game, they must be released (and thus, subject to waivers), and then can be placed back on the practice squad. If you choose to keep the two new players on your active roster, you must release two other players. At the conclusion of each game week, there must still be 53 players on the roster. That seems like a strange rule. You’re basically risking losing your “best” PS players ever week, just in case you need them in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: That seems like a strange rule. You’re basically risking losing your “best” PS players ever week, just in case you need them in a game. Agreed. Alas, that's the rule. 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: To me the fact that they non tendered McKenzie, nobody signed him, and then they re-signed him for peanuts, tells us what we need to know about McKenzie. He will be available after getting cut to be signed in case of an injury. I also think a guy like Taiwan Jones could provide a jet sweep or two. I think they keep six, including the two rookies and Roberts. Out of the incumbents, imo Foster has the best chance to stick becuase of his ability as a gunner. Yep. If Davis can be a quality special teams contributor, that all but seals Foster's fate, in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: I don't think Andre Roberts did much of anything last year to automatically claim a roster spot. I believe he had one big kickoff return all season. I think Taiwan Jones can replace him just fine if needed. As can Isaiah McKenzie. I would think the WR's are Diggs Brown Beasley Davis Hodgins and McKenzie. Really surprised what happened to Robert Foster last year. Guy caught 3 passes all season. Duke will get a chance, but he just has to get better all around. Better at making the tougher catch. Better at getting separation. Get a little more explosive. Get more athletic. I wonder what his ceiling is. Not sure yet. We definitely will have a much deeper group which is great for the team. I think we will see a leaner and quicker Duke at camp, i think his lack of playing time was a factor in his overall performance, with an over 63 percent catch rate (within .6 of Beasley) and with limited playing time bodes well for him, jmo. I lean towards letting go Roberts, Foster, and McKenzie, all three were not particularly productive and can easily be replaced with remaining talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 hours ago, billspro said: Murphy won’t be cut. I think Murphy and Long are the most likely to be traded. I would do this as well. I think they should roll with Allen and Fromm. Then have Webb on the practice squad. It’s tough for me to justify a spot for Roberts and McKenzie. Hopefully one of those guys can win both roles and the other one can be released. We have too much talent to have both of those players. 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: Being tall shouldn’t be the main reason why a WR makes the team. Hodgins is a developmental prospect and unless he has a great showing at camp (if we have one) then he’s a long shot to make the roster. I assume pretty much every returner is taking kicks from out of the end zone. What data do you have that shows Roberts is the only guy whose numbers are inflated for ALWAYS returning punts 8 yards deep? Regardless of your feelings, Roberts was top 5 in kickoff returns, top 10 in punt returns and as a team we were 9th in starting field position. He’s apparently doing his job well so I’m confused as to why you are so adamant on trying to replace him. Hodgins has great hands AND is tall. He has ability. He put up huge numbers last season in the PAC 12, I think he and Davis bring a new dynamic to the passing game. I don't have data on the rest of the kick returners in the NFL because I can't watch every game. I was underwhelmed by his returns last year. He did not give the impression that he could break one every time he touched the ball. Terrence McGhee and Leodis McKelvin gave that vibe Just saying that his explosiveness and elusiveness looks done to me. I hope he proves me wrong if he is on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: I think we will see a leaner and quicker Duke at camp, i think his lack of playing time was a factor in his overall performance, with an over 63 percent catch rate (within .6 of Beasley) and with limited playing time bodes well for him, jmo. I lean towards letting go Roberts, Foster, and McKenzie, all three were not particularly productive and can easily be replaced with remaining talent. Insiteful take on Duke DO. I hope you are right. If he can become a professional NFL receiver, that would be awesome for our passing game. Agree about the other 3, except McKenzie brings a little juice with his game. But Taiwan Jones can do what he does, and play special teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Hodgins has great hands AND is tall. He has ability. He put up huge numbers last season in the PAC 12, I think he and Davis bring a new dynamic to the passing game. He has size and hands but the obvious concern is his speed and ability to separate at the next level. It’s probably why he was taken in 7th round. There’s some talent there to work with but he’ll probably have to ball out to make the 53. 59 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: I don't have data on the rest of the kick returners in the NFL because I can't watch every game. I was underwhelmed by his returns last year. He did not give the impression that he could break one every time he touched the ball. Terrence McGhee and Leodis McKelvin gave that vibe Just saying that his explosiveness and elusiveness looks done to me. I hope he proves me wrong if he is on the team. I assume he’s going to make the roster unless someone proves to be better. Not sure I see an upgrade on the current roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Hodgins has great hands AND is tall. He has ability. He put up huge numbers last season in the PAC 12, I think he and Davis bring a new dynamic to the passing game. I don't have data on the rest of the kick returners in the NFL because I can't watch every game. I was underwhelmed by his returns last year. He did not give the impression that he could break one every time he touched the ball. Terrence McGhee and Leodis McKelvin gave that vibe Just saying that his explosiveness and elusiveness looks done to me. I hope he proves me wrong if he is on the team. I would take Roberts returning kicks over McKelvin 100/100 times. For me it’s less about your ability to score as a return guy as it is to make good decisions and secure the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Agree with the OL but Ford will be the starting RT. Sadly I think Murphy will stay. I think you have the right number of DL. I think a few of them will rotate between DE and DT. I doubt Hodgins makes the team. Not polished enough as a WR. They will find a way to get him to IR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 We will not keep 10 DL on the roster. McBeane have kept 8 DL on the roster. It might be reasonable for us to keep 9, with how deep we are, but we will not keep 10. I would think that we would keep 9, and then 6 lb. Matakevich has played little LB, he is more of a special teams ace. I would think we wouldn't go into the season with only 4 viable LB, especially with Milanos injury history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 9 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Very nice post. I don't think the Bills are getting the production from Beasley that they could be. Seems to me he'd be a nearly 100 catch guy in New England. I think Beasley's a bill in 2020 but in 2021 if one of the younger guys emerges and with Diggs able to play slot, he's vulnerable given his cost. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I would take Roberts returning kicks over McKelvin 100/100 times. For me it’s less about your ability to score as a return guy as it is to make good decisions and secure the ball. McKelvin had one big fumble in 2009 on a kickoff return opening nite against New England. I get that. He also was the best punt returner we have had in the last two decades. (McGhee returned kickoffs primarily) If you can direct me to a better one, please do. Roberts was not that last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 20 hours ago, akcash said: I like him too. I could see him beating out Joseph if Joseph doesn't come around. They both could very well make it we need more than 5 Linebackers imo heck 3 of them start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: McKelvin had one big fumble in 2009 on a kickoff return opening nite against New England. I get that. He also was the best punt returner we have had in the last two decades. (McGhee returned kickoffs primarily) If you can direct me to a better one, please do. Roberts was not that last year. I'd rather have Hyde field punts than McKelvin. It was too nerve wracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) QB: Allen, Barkley, Fromm RB: Singletary, Moss, Jones, DiMarco (FB) WR: Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Hodgins, Roberts (KR) TE: Knox, Kroft, Sweeney OT: Dawkins, Ford, Nskhe, Williams Center: Morse OG: Spain, Feliciano, Boehm, Bates DE: Hughes, Addison, Epenesa, Johnson DT: Oliver, Lotulelei, Jefferson, Butler, Phillips LB: Edmunds, Milano, Klein, Joseph, Matakevich, Thompson CB: White, Norman, Johnson, Gaines, Wallace, Jackson S: Hyde, Poyer, Marlowe, Neal, Johnson K: Bass P: Vedvik LS: Ferguson Edited May 4, 2020 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Don't we mean 55 man roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Qb: Allen Barkley Fromm Rb: Singletary Moss T. Jones Wr: Diggs Brown Beasley McKenzie Davis Hodgins Te: Knox Kroft Sweeney Ol: Dawkins Spain Morse Feliciano Williams Ford Bates Nseke Long Dl: Hughes Oliver Star Addison Phillips Jefferson Butler Murphy Johnson Epenesa Lb: Edmunds Milano Klien Thompson Matakavich Cb White Gaines Norman Johnson Wallace S: Poyer Hyde Johnson Neal Marlowe Ls: Ferguson Kr: Roberts P: ??? K: Bass PS Wade V.Joseph D. Jackson Duke??? Looks pretty good to me. Lets start the season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 2:36 PM, GoBills808 said: I would take Roberts returning kicks over McKelvin 100/100 times. For me it’s less about your ability to score as a return guy as it is to make good decisions and secure the ball. Yep. Catch the ball. Get a few yards. Get down. Occasionally break a big one if there is a hole. Securing the ball is by far the most important thing and anything else pales in comparison. Knowing when to not catch it is up there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 12:47 PM, buffaloboyinATL said: That seems like a strange rule. You’re basically risking losing your “best” PS players ever week, just in case you need them in a game. If you truly needed them in a game, you’d likely keep them on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 6:35 PM, Paup 1995MVP said: McKelvin had one big fumble in 2009 on a kickoff return opening nite against New England. I get that. He also was the best punt returner we have had in the last two decades. (McGhee returned kickoffs primarily) If you can direct me to a better one, please do. Roberts was not that last year. He fumbled another punt return against New England in 2014 on MNF. https://fansided.com/2015/11/23/bills-leodis-mckelvin-fumbles-return-video/ Then there was the KC game. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/11/09/bumbling-bills-fumble-away-17-13-loss-to-chiefs/18775595/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Jauronimo said: He fumbled another punt return against New England in 2014 on MNF. https://fansided.com/2015/11/23/bills-leodis-mckelvin-fumbles-return-video/ Then there was the KC game. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/11/09/bumbling-bills-fumble-away-17-13-loss-to-chiefs/18775595/ And then We lost, 22-9 of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 On 5/2/2020 at 11:48 PM, KOKBILLS said: Johnson played 66% of ST's Downs and 22% of Defensive Downs as a Rookie...That's pretty good contribution for a 7th Rd pick out of NC A&T...Not saying he's going to develop the way I would like...But if I had to bet on the kid I would...He forced his way onto that Roster last year...It's up to him how good he can be...But again the ceiling is very good... The Bills have WAY more depth now at DE and WAY more flexibility along the line period...Johnson is young and cheap...Just don't see the logic in keeping Murphy for one year over that kid who will be dirt cheap and the Bills property for 3 more years minimum...? The logic would be - Murphy is better lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 11:56 AM, Bangarang said: Being tall shouldn’t be the main reason why a WR makes the team. Hodgins is a developmental prospect and unless he has a great showing at camp (if we have one) then he’s a long shot to make the roster. I assume pretty much every returner is taking kicks from out of the end zone. What data do you have that shows Roberts is the only guy whose numbers are inflated for ALWAYS returning punts 8 yards deep? Regardless of your feelings, Roberts was top 5 in kickoff returns, top 10 in punt returns and as a team we were 9th in starting field position. He’s apparently doing his job well so I’m confused as to why you are so adamant on trying to replace him. Agree on Hodgins. He has many guys to beat out for a role here in Mckenzie, foster, williams - who are all 26 or younger, and have played in the league. 35 WRs were drafted this year, and he was #30. If so many teams wanted him, and he was so talented he probably isn't selected that late. He has a chance to stick, but he's likely inactive on gamedays if he made the roster. He seems like a PS candidate, and developmental guy. If they're concerned about keeping him, they could also IR him. He can't practice but it keeps him safe going into 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) On 5/2/2020 at 9:37 PM, akcash said: OFFENSE QB Allen Barkley Fromm RB Singletary Moss Yeldon FB Dimarco TE Knox Kroft Sweeney WR Diggs Brown Beasley McKenzie Davis Hodgins OL Dawkins Spain Morse Ford Nsekhe Feliciano Bates Long DEFENSE DE Hughes Addison Epenesa Murphy Johnson DT Phillips Oliver Butler Jefferson Lotoulelei LB Edmunds Milano Klein Thompson Matakevich S Hyde Poyer Johnson Neal Marlowe CB White Gaines Johnson Norman Wallace ST's K Bass P Vedvik LS Ferguson KR/PR Roberts Practice Squad (incomplete) Duke Williams Vosean Joseph Jason Croom Robert Foster Dane Jackson Trey Adams Notes I'm not sure if these players are practice squad eligible. If so I'd put them on the PS. I love the security we get with Andre Robert's as our return guy and I just would like to keep that. I also like the versatility Marlowe, Neal and Poyer bring as OLB depth in an emergency situation. I think our WRs will get situation roles where you'll see Hodgins get some time in the slot to split with Beasley and in red zone situations. I could see the same with Gabe Davis spelling Brown down in the redzone... I think Bass makes it and Vedvik beats out Corey B. Gives us a backup kicker and backup KOS. Vedvik has a huge leg and he can concentrate on punting. I'm super pumped. The roster Beane and McDermott put together is so stacked and everything is accounted for and backed up. Go Bills. Edit: It was originally a 55 man projection. Thanks to Logic for clarifying the details with that. "There isn't a 55. It's still a 53. The new rules state that you can bring two people up from your practice squad on a game week, but at the conclusion of that game, they must be released (and thus, subject to waivers), and then can be placed back on the practice squad. If you choose to keep the two new players on your active roster, you must release two other players. At the conclusion of each game week, there must still be 53 players on the roster." Credit to a couple people to convinced me to keep Daryl Johnson as well. And after some thinking and good points in this thread, I decided to PS Robert Foster. Credit to RichNoggin for convincing me to keep Corey Thompson. I really liked your lineup but 1) there is no way they keep Bates over the Carolina kid at the cheapo price they got him at 2) I somehow think they find a way to have Joseph on that final 53. He supposedly is bulked up now and he is a lethal hitter. So not sure if they slot him in place of Marlowe or as an extra LB. Edited May 8, 2020 by Locomark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 On 5/2/2020 at 10:45 PM, BubbaT said: I can't imagine them keeping 8 receivers, including Roberts, on the 53 And only keeping 8 on the OL. Unless he gets injured I see Daryl Williams competing for the starting RT position and making the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty98 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Vosean Joseph makes the team over Thompson, Matekavich replaces Thompson skill wise and S/T play as well. Odds are our three starting LB are Milano/Edmunds/Joesph. If Trey Adams and Daryl Williams are both healthy I think they make the team over Bates and Nsekhe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custcarcen Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 I think Trey Adams has to get hurt in the pre-season or else be on the 53. I read (sorry don't remember where) that he was THE most sought after free agent in the entire NFL after the draft, so he would be claimed before we could put him on the practice squad I suspect. His bonus was supposedly substantial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 On 5/4/2020 at 4:50 AM, matter2003 said: Don't we mean 55 man roster? Though the roster limit will continue to be 53 for 2020, two players from the practice squad may be brought up to increase roster sizes to 55 on gameday, with those two players reverting back to the practice squad after gameday. Practice squads will also be increased in size from 10 players to 12 beginning this season.Mar 15, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 23 hours ago, custcarcen said: I think Trey Adams has to get hurt in the pre-season or else be on the 53. I read (sorry don't remember where) that he was THE most sought after free agent in the entire NFL after the draft, so he would be claimed before we could put him on the practice squad I suspect. His bonus was supposedly substantial. I'm rooting for him to make it. I could see him kicking somebody out or we keep one more lineman than I have... we have so much versatility on the line... I feel like if he proved himself if we only kept 8 could kick bates out and we could put Bates on the P squad if eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 If Daryl Williams comes out and plays like he can and stays healthy.... there’s no way I see the Bills cutting a 28 year old one time All Pro who is under a money saving deal.... but then you have Nsekhe who is 36, 1 year left for twice as much who can’t stay healthy..... “But he’s our backup LT”, he couldn’t be counted on last year being a backup right tackle!!! He tweaks anything in preseason he has to go! There’s a huge love for Nsekhe and I just don’t see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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