Rd 6, Pick 188 (from Browns): K Tyler Bass, Georgia Southern

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

Ernest T ? Andy Griffith Show? ?

Damn it, got it wrong... it’s been a lot of years since then, ?

[Beast]

On 5/25/2020 at 11:25 PM, Charles Romes said:

Seems way too short at 5’10 to be a power kicker.  Not sure that flash speed will last.  The true power kickers are all tall.  Hauscka 6’4”, Jako 6’2”, Tucker 6’1”, Hopkins 6’2”, Folk 6’1.  Our Bass is about the size of the guy that bobbled it to Mike Bass.  

 

I'm not sure what you are even implying....that his leg will magically weaken when he signs an NFL contract because he's not tall enough?

 

 

[Charles Romes]

19 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

I'm not sure what you are even implying....that his leg will magically weaken when he signs an NFL contract because he's not tall enough?

 

 

There is a difference between flash speed which may last 1-5 years and true power.  The true power kickers - those that have done in over the long term - are all tall.  Can you find a kicker 5’10 or smaller who routinely kicks it out of the endzone and makes 50 yarders?  

[Prospector]

13 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

There is a difference between flash speed which may last 1-5 years and true power.  The true power kickers - those that have done in over the long term - are all tall.  Can you find a kicker 5’10 or smaller who routinely kicks it out of the endzone and makes 50 yarders?  

Olindo Mare, Del Greco, Matt Bahr, Blair Walsh, Jim Bakken, Phil Dawson, Mark Moseley, Matt Bryant... Jason Hanson misses the cut off by 1 inch... at 6’0”

[Cripple Creek]

16 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

There is a difference between flash speed which may last 1-5 years and true power.  The true power kickers - those that have done in over the long term - are all tall.  Can you find a kicker 5’10 or smaller who routinely kicks it out of the endzone and makes 50 yarders?  

I want to win today.  Five years from now I may be dead.

[CountDorkula]

3 minutes ago, WorstTEever81 said:

Olindo Mare, Del Greco, Matt Bahr, Blair Walsh, Jim Bakken, Phil Dawson, Mark Moseley, Matt Bryant... Jason Hanson misses the cut off by 1 inch... at 6’0”

 

Martin and Bill Gramatica...

[Beast]

23 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

There is a difference between flash speed which may last 1-5 years and true power.  The true power kickers - those that have done in over the long term - are all tall.  Can you find a kicker 5’10 or smaller who routinely kicks it out of the endzone and makes 50 yarders?  

Well, I do know the hardest shot ever recorded (and nobody is even close) in soccer comes from a guy that stands exactly 5’10. Ronny Heberson. Look it up.

 

The longest FG in NFL history? 64 yards by 5’10” Matt Prater. Don’t care if it was in Denver. Plenty of kickers have kicked in that stadium and he holds the record.

And that flash speed theory....not sure I’m buying it will be gone in 1 to 5 years. These guys are at the top of their profession for a reason. 
 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Beast

[eball]

On 5/25/2020 at 11:25 PM, Charles Romes said:

Seems way too short at 5’10 to be a power kicker.  Not sure that flash speed will last.  The true power kickers are all tall.  Hauscka 6’4”, Jako 6’2”, Tucker 6’1”, Hopkins 6’2”, Folk 6’1.  Our Bass is about the size of the guy that bobbled it to Mike Bass.  

What the hell is “flash speed?”

[billsfan89]

On 5/25/2020 at 11:07 PM, StHustle said:

 

It's such a mental job. You never know how these guys will handle the NFL stage especially  when the game is on the line. And even vets like Hauschka have mental slumps so yeah...the bad feeling I have is probably cause I trust no unproven kicker.

 

The mental aspect is another reason why often times the best place-kickers aren't the guys drafted high (relative to a place kicker.) Justin Tucker is the best kicker in the league and he was undrafted. Many of the other top kickers in the league are undrafted. Yes some top kickers are mid round or higher picks (Gostkowski was a 4th round pick) but it is such a crap shoot. Typically I don't mind a team taking a chance on a kicker in round 6 or 7 like the Bills did and Haush is a decent proven veteran option. 

[BurpleBull]

On 5/25/2020 at 8:36 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Yeah but you're missing the point. Tanney didn't have NFL talent, he made those trickshot videos to get noticed.. 

 

Bass by all accounts was the number one kicker in the draft or two

 

 

 

If Bass' big leg equates to NFL talent in spite of the 71.4% FG percentage he put up during his senior season, then so does Tanney's ball placement accuracy; Tanney is signed with an NFL team, after all.  

 

We have to wait and see if  Bass' kicking talent carries over to live games, better than Tanney's throwing talent did.

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

If Bass' big leg equates to NFL talent in spite of the 71.4% FG percentage he put up during his senior season, then so does Tanney's ball placement accuracy; Tanney is signed with an NFL team, after all.  

 

We have to wait and see if  Bass' kicking talent carries over to live games, better than Tanney's throwing talent did.

I would reckon that almost every D1 quarterback that is draft eligible could do those things Tanney did.

 

The same is not true for Kickers. Tanney certainly has worked hard but is like a #3 at best

Edited May 28, 2020 by Buffalo716

[BurpleBull]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I would reckon that almost every D1 quarterback could do what Tanney did

 

The same is not true for Kickers. Tanney does not have some legendary accuracy

 

Well, what exactly did Bass do, if you're going to make that comment about Tanney and D1 QB's? 

 

I wasn't suggesting that Tanney has legendary accuracy, if he did he'd probably be a starter in the NFL.

[Buffalo716]

14 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Well, what exactly did Bass do, if you're going to make that comment about Tanney and D1 QB's? 

 

I wasn't suggesting that Tanney has legendary accuracy, if he did he'd probably be a starter in the NFL.

He made a 60-yard field goal off of one step. And no step 50

 

Sure it doesn't mean he's going to be a Hall of Fame kicker. But it means he has a good leg

 

heck UBs been struggling for years to get a kicker to even kick an extra point, let alone a 60 yarder

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, eball said:

What the hell is “flash speed?”

Ask my wife!!

[BurpleBull]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He made a 60-yard field goal off of one step. And no step 50

 

Sure it doesn't mean he's going to be a Hall of Fame kicker. But it means he has a good leg

 

heck UBs been struggling for years to get a kicker to even kick an extra point, let alone a 60 yarder

 

Did he do this in-game or in the video?

 

We could have a very good thing in Bass and I hope we do, but you can't ignore his senior season FG%, as though accuracy and power don't go hand in hand in making a great kicker. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Did he do this in-game or in the video?

 

We could have a very good thing in Bass and I hope we do, but you can't ignore his senior season FG%, as though accuracy and power don't go hand in hand in making a great kicker. 

I believe he's only missed one extra point in his career.

 

And some of his misses were blocks where his line was atrocious and let people run by them

 

He was the number one or two kicker on every single pundits board

 

It's not like he was a reach and was out of nowhere

[BurpleBull]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I believe he's only missed one extra point in his career.

 

And some of his misses were blocks where his line was atrocious and let people run by them

 

He was the number one or two kicker on every single pundits board

 

It's not like he was a reach and was out of nowhere

 

Cool, cool. I'll end this here by saying, I'll be rooting for Bass all the way. 

[Cripple Creek]

8 hours ago, eball said:

What the hell is “flash speed?”

@BringBackFergy uses flash speed in his WR review work.  It's only one small piece of his total package, but hopefully he can explain flash speed for us.

[BringBackFergy]

35 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

@BringBackFergy uses flash speed in his WR review work.  It's only one small piece of his total package, but hopefully he can explain flash speed for us.

I grade my WR’s on three criteria: Arm swap length, Cranking voltage and Flash speed. The “flash speed” trait measures the player’s ability to stop and go through heavy traffic while maintaining good eye control and brain acuity. Hope this helps. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I grade my WR’s on three criteria: Arm swap length, Cranking voltage and Flash speed. The “flash speed” trait measures the player’s ability to stop and go through heavy traffic while maintaining good eye control and brain acuity. Hope this helps. 

 

Whats your success rate in scouting WRs using these criteria?  How does Davis rate?

[The Dean]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I grade my WR’s on three criteria: Arm swap length, Cranking voltage and Flash speed. The “flash speed” trait measures the player’s ability to stop and go through heavy traffic while maintaining good eye control and brain acuity. Hope this helps. 

 

 

Yes, I think ignoring trivial crap like route running, separation and the ability to actually catch the ball (especially when contested) let's you focus in on what's REALLY important. 

 

But I'm trying to figure out "Arm swap length". Is it the distance it takes the WR unscrew the arms from the shoulder, then swap them, putting the longer arm in position to make the catch?

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by The Dean

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Whats your success rate in scouting WRs using these criteria?  How does Davis rate?

@Cripple Creek has generally relied on my scouting when putting together his Bigger Board. Davis rated as a "light blue" on my Board.  Rather than grades from 1-10 I choose color coded ranking systems that go from "white" (vanilla, bleh) to "fire engine red" (cherry, hot). It also keeps people from stealing my homework because they have no idea what "mauve" or "turquoise" represents.  Suffice it to say, Davis rates light blue and my rating will be proven come November.

1 hour ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Yes, I think ignoring trivial crap like route running, separation and the ability to actually catch the ball (especially when contested) let's you focus in on what's REALLY important. 

 

But I'm trying to figure out "Arm swap length". Is it the distance it takes the WR unscrew the arms from the shoulder, then swap them, putting the longer arm in position to make the catch?

 

Arm swap length is an algorithm I created which incorporates some analytics and genetic tendencies.  I look at a player's background and family history, measure the length from the base of the thumb to the top of the tricep (subtract out the circumference of the funny bone/elbow) and multiply by pie. That gives me a rating which is then multiplied by family genetic history adopting those same measurables to predict how likely he is to wrestle the ball from defenders (i.e. swapping possession of the ball from CB to WR on underthrown or inaccurate passes). My final score is an indication of whether the WR is more likely to gain possession from the CB or safety.

[Doc]

50 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

@Cripple Creek has generally relied on my scouting when putting together his Bigger Board. Davis rated as a "light blue" on my Board.  Rather than grades from 1-10 I choose color coded ranking systems that go from "white" (vanilla, bleh) to "fire engine red" (cherry, hot). It also keeps people from stealing my homework because they have no idea what "mauve" or "turquoise" represents.  Suffice it to say, Davis rates light blue and my rating will be proven come November.

 

What is light blue and why November?

[Prospector]

This thread has become hilarious, and I LOVE IT!!! Nice job Bringbackfergy... you made my must follow list... you’re the only one on the list though. Teef was on that list, but he’s too mainstream now 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

What is light blue and why November?

the Presidential election, duh

[JimS]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

@Cripple Creek has generally relied on my scouting when putting together his Bigger Board. Davis rated as a "light blue" on my Board.  Rather than grades from 1-10 I choose color coded ranking systems that go from "white" (vanilla, bleh) to "fire engine red" (cherry, hot). It also keeps people from stealing my homework because they have no idea what "mauve" or "turquoise" represents.  Suffice it to say, Davis rates light blue and my rating will be proven come November.

Arm swap length is an algorithm I created which incorporates some analytics and genetic tendencies.  I look at a player's background and family history, measure the length from the base of the thumb to the top of the tricep (subtract out the circumference of the funny bone/elbow) and multiply by pie. That gives me a rating which is then multiplied by family genetic history adopting those same measurables to predict how likely he is to wrestle the ball from defenders (i.e. swapping possession of the ball from CB to WR on underthrown or inaccurate passes). My final score is an indication of whether the WR is more likely to gain possession from the CB or safety.

What kind of pie? Your choice or do you let the player choose?

[Prospector]

45 minutes ago, JimS said:

What kind of pie? Your choice or do you let the player choose?

Maybe crows pie... it has feet, and 3 feet equal a yard, so 3.14 feet equal a yard and scratch... and crows feet scratch for extra yards that equal the difference in winning and losing close games. 

[The Dean]

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

@Cripple Creek has generally relied on my scouting when putting together his Bigger Board. Davis rated as a "light blue" on my Board.  Rather than grades from 1-10 I choose color coded ranking systems that go from "white" (vanilla, bleh) to "fire engine red" (cherry, hot). It also keeps people from stealing my homework because they have no idea what "mauve" or "turquoise" represents.  Suffice it to say, Davis rates light blue and my rating will be proven come November.

Arm swap length is an algorithm I created which incorporates some analytics and genetic tendencies.  I look at a player's background and family history, measure the length from the base of the thumb to the top of the tricep (subtract out the circumference of the funny bone/elbow) and multiply by pie. That gives me a rating which is then multiplied by family genetic history adopting those same measurables to predict how likely he is to wrestle the ball from defenders (i.e. swapping possession of the ball from CB to WR on underthrown or inaccurate passes). My final score is an indication of whether the WR is more likely to gain possession from the CB or safety.

 

 

OK, NOW I get it. 

 

I like Pecan Pie

[Bufflow4]

Man, with this kid’s range, if he can produce consistent accuracy, it’s a minimum 3 points for the Bills every possession. 

[Bangarang]

37 minutes ago, Bufflow4 said:

Man, with this kid’s range, if he can produce consistent accuracy, it’s a minimum 3 points for the Bills every possession. 

We may never punt!

[Doc]

He's got a future as a KO specialist, at least.  But Vedvik can boot them deep into the endzone so unless the FG kicking competition is close, I can't see them keeping him on the roster just to KO.  Hopefully he's at least as good as Hauschka.

[KD in CA]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

He's got a future as a KO specialist, at least.  But Vedvik can boot them deep into the endzone so unless the FG kicking competition is close, I can't see them keeping him on the roster just to KO.  Hopefully he's at least as good as Hauschka.

 

Hauschka is about to turn 35....they need to find the next kicker, which many teams have shown is not always so easy to find.  Being in a rush to cut this kid would be foolish.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Hauschka is about to turn 35....they need to find the next kicker, which many teams have shown is not always so easy to find.  Being in a rush to cut this kid would be foolish.

 

I never said anything about being in a rush to cut him.

[Albanybillsbacker]

Lots of folks have a big leg, few have accuracy. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Albanybillsbacker said:

Lots of folks have a big leg, few have accuracy. 

Pretty much sums up my day on the golf course.

[CapeBreton]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

He's got a future as a KO specialist, at least.  But Vedvik can boot them deep into the endzone so unless the FG kicking competition is close, I can't see them keeping him on the roster just to KO.  Hopefully he's at least as good as Hauschka.

I have a hard time seeing how Hauschka can be better than Bass. Obviously Hauschka has the experience edge but it’s not like he is very accurate and has no distance left at all. I just think it would be a big mistake to stick with Hauschka, it’s a huge disadvantage when we can’t even attempt field goals over 50 yards. 

[Augie]

54 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Pretty much sums up my day on the golf course.

 

50 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Well stop using foot to kick ball into cup (cheating) and use club.

 

I rarely use my foot on the green. (Unless you look away, of course, but that’s on YOU. ) My foot mostly comes in handy getting TO the green. There are WAY TOO MANY trees out there to leave the foot wedge in the bag all day. 

 

When people want to bet on the golf course I immediately tell them I plan to cheat all day long. I’m not there to make myself miserable. My BALL is not in the wrong place, but that TREE should not be right there! Not my fault! You still want money on this? That gets me out of it. I’m not one to gamble much, and like 99.99% of the population, I’m not a great golfer. 

 

I can’t wait until we win a game by kicking a FG right after a touchback! Haha

Edited May 31, 2020 by Augie

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

 

I rarely use my foot on the green. (Unless you look away, of course, but that’s on YOU. ) My foot mostly comes in handy getting TO the green. There are WAY TOO MANY trees out there to leave the foot wedge in the bag all day. 

 

When people want to bet on the golf course I immediately tell them I plan to cheat all day long. I’m not there to make myself miserable. My BALL is not in the wrong place, but that TREE should not be right there! Not my fault! You still want money on this? That gets me out of it. I’m not one to gamble much, and like 99.99% of the population, I’m not a great golfer. 

 

I can’t wait until we win a game by kicking a FG right after a touchback! Haha

I am your classic lie improver. I will fluff it up, or poke it into the fairway, or kick it from behind a tree—you name it.

 

Golf is so much more fun when your lie is good! 

 

I never bet and very loosely keep score and am very obvious with what I am doing— and so the guys I play with couldn’t care less.

 

oh, and I always take a breakfast ball or two off the first tee! 

 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

17 hours ago, Augie said:

 

 

I rarely use my foot on the green. (Unless you look away, of course, but that’s on YOU. ) My foot mostly comes in handy getting TO the green. There are WAY TOO MANY trees out there to leave the foot wedge in the bag all day. 

 

When people want to bet on the golf course I immediately tell them I plan to cheat all day long. I’m not there to make myself miserable. My BALL is not in the wrong place, but that TREE should not be right there! Not my fault! You still want money on this? That gets me out of it. I’m not one to gamble much, and like 99.99% of the population, I’m not a great golfer. 

 

I can’t wait until we win a game by kicking a FG right after a touchback! Haha

I think we can take Brady and Mickelson! Probably even Tiger and Manning.... Just give us our 10% cut?

[North Buffalo]

19 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I am your classic lie improver. I will fluff it up, or poke it into the fairway, or kick it from behind a tree—you name it.

 

Golf is so much more fun when your lie is good! 

 

I never bet and very loosely keep score and am very obvious with what I am doing— and so the guys I play with couldn’t care less.

 

oh, and I always take a breakfast ball or two off the first tee! 

 

 

You guys play too much golf... I am not even that good... though I can hit a wood 300 plus yards..., after no idea where the ball is going... pretty good at putt putt though.

Edited June 1, 2020 by North Buffalo