Logic Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I see lots and lots of anti big nickel sentiment, and I guess I’m curious what people’s reasoning is. I want an Edge and a RB2, as well, but what if the value isn’t there? Do people not understand that a big nickel would essentially be a starter in this defense and would provide maximum flexibility and disguise ability to the defense? We we saw last night with the Isaiah Simmons pick and recently with Derwin James that position-less defensive players are the future of the NFL. I’m just confused as to why people don’t want a super athletic, versatile playmaker like Dugger or Chinn who could take Buffalo’s defense to the next level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Taylor is going between 33-44. I’m thinking he’s gone by 40. 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: nailed it. Will I get to add that to “right player, right team, wrong slot” in my round 1 mock thread? ? Just now, Logic said: I see lots and lots of anti big nickel sentiment, and I guess I’m curious what people’s reasoning is. I want an Edge and a RB2, as well, but what if the value isn’t there? Do people not understand that a big nickel would essentially be a starter in this defense and would provide maximum flexibility and disguise ability to the defense? We we saw last night with the Isaiah Simmons pick and recently with Derwin James that position-less defensive players are the future of the NFL. I’m just confused as to why people don’t want a super athletic, versatile playmaker like Dugger or Chinn who could take Buffalo’s defense to the next level. I think folks are pretty satisfied with Taron and Siran handling that role. Not that I don’t see the value in what you’re promoting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Logic said: I see lots and lots of anti big nickel sentiment, and I guess I’m curious what people’s reasoning is. I want an Edge and a RB2, as well, but what if the value isn’t there? Do people not understand that a big nickel would essentially be a starter in this defense and would provide maximum flexibility and disguise ability to the defense? We we saw last night with the Isaiah Simmons pick and recently with Derwin James that position-less defensive players are the future of the NFL. I’m just confused as to why people don’t want a super athletic, versatile playmaker like Dugger or Chinn who could take Buffalo’s defense to the next level. There is also no indication from Duggar’s college film that he can play big nickel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigvinny Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Draft Network mock. Highest rated player was offensive tackle Josh Jones but I went with Taylor instead. 54 Jonathan Taylor RB 86 Darnay Holmes CB 128 K.J. Hill WR 167 Justin Strnad LB 188 Terence Steele OT 207 D.J. Wonnum EDGE 239 Austin Mack WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Logic said: I see lots and lots of anti big nickel sentiment, and I guess I’m curious what people’s reasoning is. I want an Edge and a RB2, as well, but what if the value isn’t there? Do people not understand that a big nickel would essentially be a starter in this defense and would provide maximum flexibility and disguise ability to the defense? We we saw last night with the Isaiah Simmons pick and recently with Derwin James that position-less defensive players are the future of the NFL. I’m just confused as to why people don’t want a super athletic, versatile playmaker like Dugger or Chinn who could take Buffalo’s defense to the next level. I think people struggle to understand the flexibility of a modern day NFL team. We read a depth chart and we see CBx2, Sx2, LBx3. So we fill in those spots and don't see a place for a third safety. I like the idea of Dugger or Chinn if that's where the value is. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 A very good player is going to fall into Buffalos laps. Not having a desperate need allows them to go BPA. Looks like the player could be a first rated talent too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: There is also no indication from Duggar’s college film that he can play big nickel Have you seen the work that Cover1 did on him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 My "BIG BOARD" in order of preference for pick 54: RB Cam Akers WR Tee Higgins EDGE A.J Epenesa CB Christian Fulton RB D'Andre Swift DE Marlon Davidson RB JK Dobbins OT Andrew Thomas DT Justin Madubuike S Xavier McKinney WR Michael Pittman S Grant Delpit EDGE Terrell Lewis DT Neville Gallimore CB Jaylon Johnson TE Cole Kmet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: I think Bryce Hall should be on people’s collective radar Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Logic said: I see lots and lots of anti big nickel sentiment, and I guess I’m curious what people’s reasoning is. I want an Edge and a RB2, as well, but what if the value isn’t there? Do people not understand that a big nickel would essentially be a starter in this defense and would provide maximum flexibility and disguise ability to the defense? We we saw last night with the Isaiah Simmons pick and recently with Derwin James that position-less defensive players are the future of the NFL. I’m just confused as to why people don’t want a super athletic, versatile playmaker like Dugger or Chinn who could take Buffalo’s defense to the next level. I think 54 is too rich for Dugger. Edited April 24, 2020 by OldTimer1960 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Can Beane resist? He’s really a hybrid RB/WR Edited April 24, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Jon Greenard or Josh Uche at 54. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Is Dugger that much better than Siran Neal that we should use a second round pick on a rotational player? Does he have a true future at a regular safety position or are we trying to find the next Derwin James? I don’t quite understand the Dugger thing. I’m not totally against it as he seems like an interesting prospect, I’m just wondering why it’s a thing. If its a case of BPA then I’m cool with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Yantha said: My "BIG BOARD" in order of preference for pick 54: RB Cam Akers WR Tee Higgins EDGE A.J Epenesa CB Christian Fulton RB D'Andre Swift DE Marlon Davidson RB JK Dobbins OT Andrew Thomas DT Justin Madubuike S Xavier McKinney WR Michael Pittman S Grant Delpit EDGE Terrell Lewis DT Neville Gallimore CB Jaylon Johnson TE Cole Kmet What do you like about Akers? I know very little about him. Who is his best comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: Is Dugger that much better than Siran Neal that we should use a second round pick on a rotational player? Does he have a true future at a regular safety position or are we trying to find the next Derwin James? I don’t quite understand the Dugger thing. I’m not totally against it as he seems like an interesting prospect, I’m just wondering why it’s a thing. If its a case of BPA then I’m cool with it. Neal is a heckuva player and Marlow is a pretty good reserve. I really don't understand the sentiment with Dugger or Chinn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonley1180 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 If Zack Baun or AJ Epenesa are there one of them will be the pick . I'm just glad that there seems to be so much talent in this draft that whoever they select it will be someone we can all be excited about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 But who are we to argue who they pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, PIZ said: What do you like about Akers? I know very little about him. Who is his best comparison? I like Akers because he has good vision to sort through blockers, and rarely goes down on first contact. I think he's a great compliment to Singletary's skill-set. Although shorter, I see him as a similar back as Le'Veon Bell. Just watching his power running style. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: Neal is a heckuva player and Marlow is a pretty good reserve. I really don't understand the sentiment with Dugger or Chinn. They have potential to be stars in this defense. Neal's made some plays, but mostly plays special teams. Marlowe has 13 tackles and is 27 - so I don't think he's being counted on to play meaningful snaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Is Dugger that much better than Siran Neal that we should use a second round pick on a rotational player? Does he have a true future at a regular safety position or are we trying to find the next Derwin James? I don’t quite understand the Dugger thing. I’m not totally against it as he seems like an interesting prospect, I’m just wondering why it’s a thing. If its a case of BPA then I’m cool with it. He replaces much of what Lorax did and gives them flexibility to sub in and out of nickel looks. Milano, Edmunds and Dugger on the field at the same time provides real problems for the offense. That said, I doubt he makes much of an impact on defense in year 1, and watching guys like Hamler and Pittman make plays while our top pick is a special teams gunner is going to be hard to stomach. As I keep saying - he’s a comfort zone pick for McBeane, because they know they can use him. I’d prefer they stretched a bit more... Edited April 24, 2020 by Coach Tuesday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: But who are we to argue who they pick. Oh I’m ready to fight. I hate the pick already. I know this because I’ve been doing like 47 mock drafts a day in quarantine and I shut it down almost every time because I want no one at 54 who’s actually available. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Move up for Dobbins, Akers, Diggs, or an edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 DL. Try to find Jerry Hughes successor and another edge rusher option. We need a young DE on the roster who can get after the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, jrober38 said: DL. Try to find Jerry Hughes successor and another edge rusher option. We need a young DE on the roster who can get after the QB. Weaver gets after the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: from that list - Pittman johnson baun YGM higgins I really like Pittman and then either Juan Jennings Or Kendrick Rogers in the late rounds. Those two do not dominate but all they do is make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: DL. Try to find Jerry Hughes successor and another edge rusher option. We need a young DE on the roster who can get after the QB. Maybe one of Yetur Gross-Matos or AJ Epenesa will fall to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Can Beane resist? He’s really a hybrid RB/WR Instead of trading for a WR, if we are not going to use a pick on one. Just go sign a Taylor Gabriel, Rashard Higgins or a Tavon Austin after the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 My guesses for today assuming no trades.... Round 2: JK Dobbins RB Ohio State Round 3: Julian Okwara EDGE Notre Dame Round 4: Reggie Robinson CB Tulsa Round 5: Quintez Cephus WR Wisconsin Round 6: Cheyanne O'Grady TE Arkansas Round 6: Alex Taylor OT South Carolina State Round 7: Shyheim Carter S Alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I’d love Shenault or Higgins in the 2nd and a RB in the 3rd but if I had to guess, we’re getting Dugger in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I think another receiver gets lost in the shuffle. Your #4 receiver needs to play special teams or they'll be inactive on game day and I don't see any of these big receivers providing that versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Joe B keeps saying it’ll be Dugger... I am not convinced Dugger or Chinn will be there. Seems like a really high pick for a 3rd safety but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I think another receiver gets lost in the shuffle. Your #4 receiver needs to play special teams or they'll be inactive on game day and I don't see any of these big receivers providing that versatility. There’s two extra roster spots now, so you could get away with a pure WR at #4. I get what you’re saying though, especially when we have Roberts taking up a spot. Just now, thenorthremembers said: I am not convinced Dugger or Chinn will be there. Seems like a really high pick for a 3rd safety but who knows. Agreed. Seems overkill for an already loaded defense, but Dugger wouldn’t be “depth”, he’d probably end up on the field quite a bit with the type of defense we run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, njbuff said: Neal is a heckuva player and Marlow is a pretty good reserve. I really don't understand the sentiment with Dugger or Chinn. Respectfully, I do not feel that Neal or Marlowe are in Dugger or Chinn’s area code in terms of athleticism and overall ceiling. Chinn and Dugger, to me, are much closer to a Shaq Thompson or Derwin James. Neal and Marlowe will likely never be that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: There’s two extra roster spots now, so you could get away with a pure WR at #4. I get what you’re saying though, especially when we have Roberts taking up a spot. I just look at the Bills roster and don't see a #4 WR getting more than a couple snaps a game on offense, meaning to be active they need to play special teams. I think the Bills will consider themselves set at WR. They just used a 1st and 4th on Diggs, are they really going to use their 2nd on another one? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Logic said: I see lots and lots of anti big nickel sentiment, and I guess I’m curious what people’s reasoning is. I want an Edge and a RB2, as well, but what if the value isn’t there? Do people not understand that a big nickel would essentially be a starter in this defense and would provide maximum flexibility and disguise ability to the defense? We we saw last night with the Isaiah Simmons pick and recently with Derwin James that position-less defensive players are the future of the NFL. I’m just confused as to why people don’t want a super athletic, versatile playmaker like Dugger or Chinn who could take Buffalo’s defense to the next level. I think the issue is less with the position and more with the player(s). If you want a big nickle, I'm all for that, but pound the table for Delpit or McKinney. Dugger and Chinn might be interesting prospects but they're FAR from a sure thing and this draft is going to be VERY heavy on sure things. Perhaps that means that somebody, maybe us, later in the draft gets a steal, but you cannot take 24 year old from THAT small of a school in the 2nd just because he looks like he fits the bill. If you're desperate to fill that spot, trade up for Delpit and call it good. Otherwise lean into the fact that the guy you're selecting will either be considered a gamble and a reach in the 2nd, or an unknown prospect later. With all that said, that's why many (like me) are pushing to fill other gaps with more proven commodities like one of the big WRs or one of the few available DEs left... Edited April 24, 2020 by glazeduck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 50 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Taylor is going between 33-44. I disagree on Taylor. He was a great college player but he doesn’t offer enough versatility. He needs to go to a system that will feature him as a runner and runner only. He doesn’t catch the ball, he fumbles a ton. He’s the type of guy that drops. I think he ultimately ends up with Pittsburgh at 50 cause he’s just a perfect fit there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Logic said: Respectfully, I do not feel that Neal or Marlowe are in Dugger or Chinn’s area code in terms of athleticism and overall ceiling. Chinn and Dugger, to me, are much closer to a Shaq Thompson or Derwin James. Neal and Marlowe will likely never be that. Wasn’t Neal supposed to be a small school athletic freak in his draft write up? Ceiling, sure, but I though Neal was an elite athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Can Beane resist? He’s really a hybrid RB/WR Depending on the price, I would love adding Samuel. I’d use him more at RB than Carolina did. More of a souped up Ty Montgomery, who would also take over McKenzie’s jet sweep/gadget role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Weaver gets after the QB. But can he do it at the NFL level? He is doesn’t look to be the prototypical athletic pass rusher, nor is he an especially powerful rusher. Can he continue to win with his savvy against much better competition thane he faced at Boise St? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: I am not convinced Dugger or Chinn will be there. Seems like a really high pick for a 3rd safety but who knows. You're right. They may not be there. They are guys who offer position flexibility and would give McD and Frazier a chess piece to help counter these 'new age' QBs like Mahomes, Jackson, and possibly Tua. That's the appeal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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