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1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Best: Tre

Worst: Flowers

I looked at this as best player drafted by the Bills since 2000. If we evaluate it based on value, Kyle is the best and Sammy is the worst. But the true best player ( not going to judge Josh’s “finished product” status yet) is Tre and the worst (without getting into bums that were bums when they were drafted) was definitely Flowers.

How do so many think Sammy is the worst value? Mike Williams and Maybin literally were net negatives and Sammy was a net positive while obviously not as the level we had hoped. Sammy was the best player on the field multiple times during his time here while Maybin and Williams were the worst every time they got on field. 

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2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

 

 

Tre is on target as a 27th pick in the first round?  He is performing more like a top 3 pick.  

 

 

 

You ask for my pick and then question my selection.  Are you just looking for someone to choose the same as you did?

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29 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Maybin has to be the worst. He literally did nothing. Not one thing, other than a cool haircut. At least Losman had one pretty good year. Maybin was like throwing the pick straight into the toilet 

 

100% agree. And to make matters worse, there were PLENTY of signs heading into the draft that the pick was a real reach. The dude was not especially highly regarded heading into his last season in college. He did have a freakish first-step on game film, but he ran a terrible 40 time -- and had major issues with his weight fluctuating. He wasn't cut out to be either a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE (which is what Jauron and his staff were hoping for). Not many fans or pundits liked the pick back then, and there were plenty of decent players still on the board when Russ/Modrak made the pick. (Modrak later claimed that he really wanted to draft Brian Cushing there, but Russ over-ruled him.)

 

This was also one of the last years before the rookie wage scale kicked in, so Maybin and his agent (RIP, Eugene) milked the system and pretty much held out the entire 2009 training camp. I always felt that when Maybin heard his name announced, he thought his work was done (namely, doing the pre-draft stuff to get himself drafted in the 1st round) and was never serious about doing what was necessary to be the best he could be on the field. Ironically, what little Maybin did on the field was with Rex and the Jets a couple of years later. Rex utilized him as a situational pass-rusher. Guys like that grow on trees and are usually 5th or 6th round draft picks -- not top 10 overall!

 

The fact that the team actually did pretty well with their next few picks in that draft class -- Wood, Byrd and Levitre -- lessened the sting of that horrific first pick.

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51 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Maybin has to be the worst. He literally did nothing. Not one thing, other than a cool haircut. At least Losman had one pretty good year. Maybin was like throwing the pick straight into the toilet 

 

I disagree...I mean weren't you bumping his rap song back in 2010? ?

 

 

19 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

 

You ask for my pick and then question my selection.  Are you just looking for someone to choose the same as you did?

 

Not at all, just don't understand how a first team all-pro is performing as expected as a 27th pick.  Not many people expect that from a 27th pick, just saying.

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12 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Best pick - Kyle Williams. Bills Wall of Famer in the 5th Round and spent 13 years  in Buffalo? Pretty good. 

 

Worst Pick - I don’t see how it can be anybody other than Maybin. Zero sacks with the Bills, by the second/third week of Training Camp you could sense he was a problem (arguing with Wood, getting mauled in practice). 
 

 

I think these two will be the most common and I agree with them.  

 

Agreed, how can anyone not say Maybin was the worst pick.  We can almost call it a fact?

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Best: Kyle Williams, easily I might add

 

Worst: Whitner in the same draft. There were great players that we passed on to take him. In fact, Levy said that he turned down numerous trade down offers to take this undersized safety. I don't think that any draft pick set the team back to this extent, although a case could be made for White.

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8 minutes ago, Manther said:

I think these two will be the most common and I agree with them.  

 

Agreed, how can anyone not say Maybin was the worst pick.  We can almost call it a fact?

 

You could argue Erik Flowers, but Maybin was taken top 10 not 26th, so valid point.

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58 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

Top 3 worst: Mike Williams, Whitner, and Maybin

 

Top 3 best by value: Kyle Williams, Jabrari Greer and Jason Peters.

Runner up: Tre White

Jason Peters was signed as a free agent or he would have been my top choice hands down.

9 minutes ago, Manther said:

I think these two will be the most common and I agree with them.  

 

Agreed, how can anyone not say Maybin was the worst pick.  We can almost call it a fact?

Because the question was "worst pick'" not "worst player."

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JP Losman & EJ Manuel set this franchise back for years. While Maybin was a terrible pick, you could argue that Manuel cost us more. He was a terrible QB and the inept FO doubled down by pairing a bad QB with a WR they traded 2 1st round picks to bolster in a draft where they could have taken OBJ or Evans without making a trade at all. So, in short, we wasted 3 first rd picks trying to make Manuel a thing, which I consider a travesty.

 

Best draft pick would be Jim Kelly, even if took him a few years to get here, he was our last real-deal franchise QB until Allen can solidify himself as such. 

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The Sammy Watkins hate on this site is absurd.  He’s 26 years old with 4244 receiving yards and 31 TDs so far.  That doesn’t even include his 24 catches for 464 yards and a TD in the postseason the past 2 seasons.

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3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Kelly and Smith weren't drafted this century(ie, since 2000)

My bad ! 
Then it’s definitely 

Best - Meatball 

worst - Aaron Maybin  (  no matter what century) 

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Putin, I didn't want pile on, but glad you can laugh it off.

 

Best, You can argue Kyle or even Wood.

 

Worst, that's hard as there are so many between Mike Williams (atrocious), Maybin, and its' sad I cant even remember that 6'5 WR from Indiana, was it Henry or something. He couldn't read a playbook, or couldn't basically read which is sad.  I remember years later was found dead by a river, speculated he committed suicide.  He was a nice guy, but a horrible pick.

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Best? Hard to argue it isn't Kyle William's by a long shot thus far (although Tre, Edumonds and Allen got a shot at it.) 5th round pick who got 6 probowls and an All Pro Team (and probably would have been 3 or more All pro had he not been stuck on a bad team.) Kyle was a consistent starter and fixture for the defense for 12 years. 

 

He was a late 1st round pick who in a year or two will be in that conversation. But for longevity and value I am going with Kyle thus far.

 

As far as worst? I would go with Johnathan McCargo, McCargo was a late 1st round pick whom the team traded up for and was considered a massive reach while the team passed on Nick Mangold who went the very next pick and went on to be a top center in the league for the next decade (for a division rival.)

 

It was a bad pick at the time and Mangold who was a player of need would have been the much better pick.

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3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

How do so many think Sammy is the worst value? Mike Williams and Maybin literally were net negatives and Sammy was a net positive while obviously not as the level we had hoped. Sammy was the best player on the field multiple times during his time here while Maybin and Williams were the worst every time they got on field. 

I guess that my expectations for the fourth overall pick is to absolutely dominate and last past his rookie contract. My expectations for the 11th overall pick is extremely high as well, and Maybin was a absolute bust and a horrible draft pick. They might just be a tie for greatest disappointment in drafting. My hopes for Sammy were sky high and my disappointment was equally high. I expected Maybin  to have been a project as a one year wonder in college 

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This is a great thread, bringing back a lot of memories, though sadly they're mostly bad as they just remind you of the incompetent shite Bills fans have had to put up with all these years. 

 

Jesus, when I think back to the turn of the century and I think about the young ***** kicker I was, before marriage and kids and being responsible, and then I think of going on that journey backdropped by such front office wonders as Marv Levy, Buddy Nix, Doug Whaley and Russ Brandon, getting ready for the drafts every year, always thinking "maybe this year things will be different". The hiring of Dick Jauron. Dick ***** JAURON! Mr 7-9 himself.

 

The only time I really felt any true joy watching the Bills over that time was when Donahoe was given an open check book and got Bledsoe, Milloy, Adams etc. I remember the day we signed Spikes and I was so pumped, I really thought we were going to win the AFC East. Then we hammered NE. Then we beat the living daylights out of Jax. Then it turned to crap and I started crying again.

 

The whole point of this (possibly lockdown induced) outburst is that I am so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so happy to have a competent guy like Beane running things. Even when he's being interviewed he just sounds on the ball, like he, you know, knows what he's doing.

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7 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Best: Kyle Williams, easily I might add

 

Worst: Whitner in the same draft. There were great players that we passed on to take him. In fact, Levy said that he turned down numerous trade down offers to take this undersized safety. I don't think that any draft pick set the team back to this extent, although a case could be made for White.


Whitner was bad because it underscored how little understanding the Bills has about the league.

 

In 2004, the Bills were Top 10 against the run because of Pat Williams. Then they let him go in FA and started Tim Anderson. 
 

They finished 2005 - 31st against the run. And instead of picking 340 pound Ngata, they pick Whitner and trade back to get a 3-Technique in McCargo because Jauron only knew his classic Tampa-2 defense which was outdated by league standards even then. 
 

After Pat Williams left, the Bills went about 9 straight years finishing 22nd or worse against the run. The Bills defensive line was manhandled in the Jauron and Gailey years. 
 

Not until Pettine did the Bills defense finally recover from the loss of Pat Williams and busts like McCargo and Troup. 
 

You go back and look, it’s guys like Spencer Johnson, Larry Triplett. In that stretch of years the Bills didn’t take a DT for 3-straight drafts despite being mauled. 

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Actually this is pretty easy. 
 

Best: Kyle Williams - He may have had the best Bills career of the last 20 years. Add to that him being a 5th round pick and it’s easy to crown him.

 

Worst - Aaron Maybin - This one is equally as easy. The Bills used the 11th pick of the draft on a guy to sack the opposing QB. He sacked the opposing QB as many times as I did in a Bills uniform. There is not another answer even close. He was a TERRIBLE player at TERRIBLE value. If you drafted a DE in the 7th round to rush the QB and he had no sacks you’d say it was an awful pick. Imagine picking him 250 spots higher!! 

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8 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

How do so many think Sammy is the worst value? Mike Williams and Maybin literally were net negatives and Sammy was a net positive while obviously not as the level we had hoped. Sammy was the best player on the field multiple times during his time here while Maybin and Williams were the worst every time they got on field. 


Sammy was a net positive?  Not at all when you consider what the team traded to draft him and the tremendous opportunity cost at the QB position.

 

As it was shared before, the Bills paid dearly for drafting Sammy

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Actually this is pretty easy. 
 

Best: Kyle Williams - He may have had the best Bills career of the last 20 years. Add to that him being a 5th round pick and it’s easy to crown him.

 

Worst - Aaron Maybin - This one is equally as easy. The Bills used the 11th pick of the draft on a guy to sack the opposing QB. He sacked the opposing QB as many times as I did in a Bills uniform. There is not another answer even close. He was a TERRIBLE player at TERRIBLE value. If you drafted a DE in the 7th round to rush the QB and he had no sacks you’d say it was an awful pick. Imagine picking him 250 spots higher!! 


No disagreements on the pick, the only thing I’ll say is that in the grand scheme thing of things, drafting Maybin didn’t alter the franchise is a negative way the way other draft busts did.  EJ and Sammy were not as big as a “bust”’but both those selections not panning out really set back the franchise 

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1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:


Sammy was a net positive?  Not at all when you consider what the team traded to draft him and the tremendous opportunity cost at the QB position.

 

As it was shared before, the Bills paid dearly for drafting Sammy

I finally understand what you are all saying- you think Sammys worth is weighed against the multiple picks it took to make his selection happen. By that standard I have to assume you feel Goff is a failure as well since he was two first and two seconds plus more and is average also. As for him being a net positive as I will stand by the fact he was the best player on the field at least 7 times while a Bill. 

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20 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Putin, I didn't want pile on, but glad you can laugh it off.

 

Best, You can argue Kyle or even Wood.

 

Worst, that's hard as there are so many between Mike Williams (atrocious), Maybin, and its' sad I cant even remember that 6'5 WR from Indiana, was it Henry or something. He couldn't read a playbook, or couldn't basically read which is sad.  I remember years later was found dead by a river, speculated he committed suicide.  He was a nice guy, but a horrible pick.

 

That was James Hardy. Sad story. He is definitely high on the list of bad picks.

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18 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I finally understand what you are all saying- you think Sammys worth is weighed against the multiple picks it took to make his selection happen. By that standard I have to assume you feel Goff is a failure as well since he was two first and two seconds plus more and is average also. As for him being a net positive as I will stand by the fact he was the best player on the field at least 7 times while a Bill. 


That doesn’t make the pick a net positive.  The Bills could’ve stayed where there at and taken another great WR that year.  He still wouldn’t have been “the best player on the field 7 times.”

 

 Sammy was such a net positive, they traded him for a fraction of what they paid.  Bad pick that really hurt this franchise....badly.
 

The Goff comparison is very different and not very equitable.  QB’s are more valueable than WR’s and always have been.  It’s accepted that you have to overpay to trade up for a QB.  As Doug Whaley proved, it’s foolish to give up that much draft capital to trade on a WR - especially when your team has no QB.  

 

Sammy was a very bad draft pick.  

 

 

6 hours ago, Blaise321 said:

 

That was James Hardy. Sad story. He is definitely high on the list of bad picks.


An atrocious draft pick from Marv Levy

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I saw Losman in Glendale, AZ launch the ball 65 yards in the air to hit Lee Evans for a touchdown (I believe.... I was a little subdued after the 4-0 Bills got Trent Edwards killed via a free shot from man-eater Adrian Wilson on the third play of the game..looked that up.). That alone ranks Losman ahead of some of these other high round bums the Bills drafted since 2000. 
 

Worst: Mike Williams. Too high a pick to whiff.


Best: guess this is the best player for the Bills since 2000.... Josh Allen - there is now hope.

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2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:


That doesn’t make the pick a net positive.  The Bills could’ve stayed where there at and taken another great WR that year.  He still wouldn’t have been “the best player on the field 7 times.”

 

 Sammy was such a net positive, they traded him for a fraction of what they paid.  Bad pick that really hurt this franchise....badly.
 

The Goff comparison is very different and not very equitable.  QB’s are more valueable than WR’s and always have been.  It’s accepted that you have to overpay to trade up for a QB.  As Doug Whaley proved, it’s foolish to give up that much draft capital to trade on a WR - especially when your team has no QB.  

 

Sammy was a very bad draft pick.  

 

You just spend a lot of effort to agree with what I said- you hold Sammy responsible for what Whaley traded for him. I do not hold him responsible for it- therefore he is not a bust in my mind. 

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49 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You just spend a lot of effort to agree with what I said- you hold Sammy responsible for what Whaley traded for him. I do not hold him responsible for it- therefore he is not a bust in my mind. 


Ok It seems like you have a different definition than what I a bust is.  To me, it’s a player who drastically doesn’t live up to expectation.

 

Sammy was hailed as a generational talent and while he has shown flashes, the numbers don’t lie - he’s far from generational.  At best he’s a capable #2 WR.

 

I just don’t think you can overlook what they gave up to get Sammy and the opportunities cost as well.  They are one in the same.  

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3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:


Ok It seems like you have a different definition than what I a bust is.  To me, it’s a player who drastically doesn’t live up to expectation.

 

Sammy was hailed as a generational talent and while he has shown flashes, the numbers don’t lie - he’s far from generational.  At best he’s a capable #2 WR.

 

I just don’t think you can overlook what they gave up to get Sammy and the opportunities cost as well.  They are one in the same.  

As I stated prior we do have a different opinion-I think you had a very unrealistic expectation of Sammy. He is less than I expected but a long way from a bust. Anyone who expects "a generational talent" is setting themselves up for a major disappointment. 

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On 4/20/2020 at 1:17 PM, Billl said:

The Sammy Watkins hate on this site is absurd.  He’s 26 years old with 4244 receiving yards and 31 TDs so far.  That doesn’t even include his 24 catches for 464 yards and a TD in the postseason the past 2 seasons.


It’s not hate, it’s facts.

 

He has one 1,000 yard season (1,047) and has four straight seasons below 675 yards, three of those seasons are below 600 yards. 
 

He’s a #3 WR. 

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11 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

As I stated prior we do have a different opinion-I think you had a very unrealistic expectation of Sammy. He is less than I expected but a long way from a bust. Anyone who expects "a generational talent" is setting themselves up for a major disappointment. 


You do a wonderful job making excuses for Sammy.

 

How can you not hold him to that standard when your GM publicly used the term “generational talent” in nearly every media interview after making the trade?

 

Was it unreasonable?  Maybe, but that was where the bar was set...not by the fan base....by the Buffalo Bills in 2014.  He came nowhere close

 

What makes the selection more disappointing, is the fact that he was severely outperformed by many receivers drafted after him.  Not just in Round 1 but in later rounds as well.   I don’t feel that asking him to outperform the other WR’s in his class is unreasonable at all.  
 

So happy to see AP writer John Wawarrow include the Sammy trade under the “worst” category in column.  I know you love Sammy but this was a terrible move and he did not live up to his hype.  
 

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11 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:


It’s not hate, it’s facts.

 

He has one 1,000 yard season (1,047) and has four straight seasons below 675 yards, three of those seasons are below 600 yards. 
 

He’s a #3 WR. 

If he had the exact same current numbers but had done so while playing in Buffalo the entire time, he would be 6th in franchise history for receiving TDs  and 8th in yards...and he’s still only 26.  He’s very likely to end his career with more career yards and TDs than any Bills WR in history not named Andre Reed.


Unless the Bills have never had a #1 or #2 WR other than Reed, Watkins is a better player than he gets credit for on here.  He hasn’t lived up to his draft position, but most top 10 picks don’t.  He’s pacing for a career of around 600 catches, 9,000 yards, and 60 TDs.  That’s basically Eric Moulds.

 

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4 minutes ago, Billl said:

If he had the exact same current numbers but had done so while playing in Buffalo the entire time, he would be 6th in franchise history for receiving TDs  and 8th in yards...and he’s still only 26.  He’s very likely to end his career with more career yards and TDs than any Bills WR in history not named Andre Reed.


Unless the Bills have never had a #1 or #2 WR other than Reed, Watkins is a better player than he gets credit for on here.  He hasn’t lived up to his draft position, but most top 10 picks don’t.  He’s pacing for a career of around 600 catches, 9,000 yards, and 60 TDs.  That’s basically Eric Moulds.

 

The above is very good information, and clearly points to Sammy being a "good" player, if not perhaps very good. What just so many don't understand is that being a "good" player doesn't make one a good draft pick.

Things like the draft slot, cost of a trade, who the Bills management passed on to take him, and even other factors determine whether or not someone was a good draft selection for a football team.

Donte Whitner at #8 cost us 36 million in real cap dollars. He held out, had off field incidents, and almost never took over a game and won it for us. Yet, he was a "good" player?

Was he a good pick? No, and great players were selected after him.

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1 hour ago, Billl said:

If he had the exact same current numbers but had done so while playing in Buffalo the entire time, he would be 6th in franchise history for receiving TDs  and 8th in yards...and he’s still only 26.  He’s very likely to end his career with more career yards and TDs than any Bills WR in history not named Andre Reed.


Unless the Bills have never had a #1 or #2 WR other than Reed, Watkins is a better player than he gets credit for on here.  He hasn’t lived up to his draft position, but most top 10 picks don’t.  He’s pacing for a career of around 600 catches, 9,000 yards, and 60 TDs.  That’s basically Eric Moulds.

 

 

Watkins 

76 games, 284 catches, 4244 yards, 31 TDs (3.73 catches/game, 55.8 ypg, 0.41 TDs/game)

 

Evans

90 games, 462 catches, 7260 yards, 48 TDs (5.13 catches/game, 80.7 ypg, 0.53 TDs/game)

 

Beckham

75 games, 464 catches, 6511 yards, 48 TDs (6.19 catches/game, 86.9 ypg, 0.64 TDs/game)

 

Cooks

88 games, 402 catches, 5730 yards, 34 TDs (4.57 catches/game, 65.11 ypg, 0.39 TDs/game)

 

Benjamin

61 games, 209 catches, 3021 yards, 20 TDs (3.43 catches/game, 49.5 ypg, 0.33 TDs/game)

 

Jarvis Landry

96 games, 564 catches, 6188 yards, 32 TDs (5.88 catches/game, 64.5 ypg, 0.33 TDs/game)

 

Allen Robinson

72 games, 355 catches, 4749 yards, 33 TDs (4.93 catches/game, 66.0 ypg, 0.46 TDs/game)

 

Davante Adams

86 games, 431 catches, 5194 yards, 44 TDs (5.01 catches/game, 60.4 ypg, 0.51 TDs/game)

 

 

The Bills scouts whiffed on Sammy Watkins value at 4th overall.

 

His production is closest to Kelvin Benjamin, who is out of the league now.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said:


You do a wonderful job making excuses for Sammy.

 

How can you not hold him to that standard when your GM publicly used the term “generational talent” in nearly every media interview after making the trade?

 

Was it unreasonable?  Maybe, but that was where the bar was set...not by the fan base....by the Buffalo Bills in 2014.  He came nowhere close

 

What makes the selection more disappointing, is the fact that he was severely outperformed by many receivers drafted after him.  Not just in Round 1 but in later rounds as well.   I don’t feel that asking him to outperform the other WR’s in his class is unreasonable at all.  
 

So happy to see AP writer John Wawarrow include the Sammy trade under the “worst” category in column.  I know you love Sammy but this was a terrible move and he did not live up to his hype.  
 

 

Sammy Watkins (4th overall) has yet to have a single season better than Steve Johnson (7th Rounder) and has yet to have consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. 

 

Sammy Watkins is a #3 WR in this league. 

 

His time with the Rams showed he is a depth WR (<600 yards), not a primary, and the Chiefs have him slotted accordingly to where they never have to depend on him. 

 

He isn't close to a #1 WR. 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

The above is very good information, and clearly points to Sammy being a "good" player, if not perhaps very good. What just so many don't understand is that being a "good" player doesn't make one a good draft pick.

Things like the draft slot, cost of a trade, who the Bills management passed on to take him, and even other factors determine whether or not someone was a good draft selection for a football team.

Donte Whitner at #8 cost us 36 million in real cap dollars. He held out, had off field incidents, and almost never took over a game and won it for us. Yet, he was a "good" player?

Was he a good pick? No, and great players were selected after him.

I don’t think anyone is saying he’s the best pick in team history.  The topic is WORST picks, and there is no way he belongs on that list.  Hell, the three players taken ahead of him were Clowney, Bortles, and Greg Robinson.  You can make a case that Watkins was the best value of the group.  Seven years in, he’s a starter for the Super Bowl champs.  If you can’t find a worse draft pick by the Bills than that, you aren’t looking.

11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

Watkins 

76 games, 284 catches, 4244 yards, 31 TDs (3.73 catches/game, 55.8 ypg, 0.41 TDs/game)

 

Evans

90 games, 462 catches, 7260 yards, 48 TDs (5.13 catches/game, 80.7 ypg, 0.53 TDs/game)

 

Beckham

75 games, 464 catches, 6511 yards, 48 TDs (6.19 catches/game, 86.9 ypg, 0.64 TDs/game)

 

Cooks

88 games, 402 catches, 5730 yards, 34 TDs (4.57 catches/game, 65.11 ypg, 0.39 TDs/game)

 

Benjamin

61 games, 209 catches, 3021 yards, 20 TDs (3.43 catches/game, 49.5 ypg, 0.33 TDs/game)

 

Jarvis Landry

96 games, 564 catches, 6188 yards, 32 TDs (5.88 catches/game, 64.5 ypg, 0.33 TDs/game)

 

Allen Robinson

72 games, 355 catches, 4749 yards, 33 TDs (4.93 catches/game, 66.0 ypg, 0.46 TDs/game)

 

Davante Adams

86 games, 431 catches, 5194 yards, 44 TDs (5.01 catches/game, 60.4 ypg, 0.51 TDs/game)

 

 

The Bills scouts whiffed on Sammy Watkins value at 4th overall.

 

His production is closest to Kelvin Benjamin, who is out of the league now

Looks to me like his production is closest to Allen Robinson who is the #1 WR for the Bears right now.

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