GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 56 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t see that at all. You can argue he doesn’t give up on plays fast enough, but I can’t remember a college QB who delivers the ball as quickly as Tua. I think he’s been over-analyzed because he plays at Alabama. If he stays healthy, he’ll be excellent in NFL. He’s a better QB prospect than than everyone not named Burrow the past couple years. I have him right about where I had Murray last year but broadly I agree with the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Maybe Herbert will be another of these toolsy Quarterbacks that I am too low on and makes me look daft - it is certainly possible. But man I couldn't take that in the top 10. There were periods watching his film a couple of weeks ago where he made me want to throw things through my screen. Infuriating. This is how I felt watching him as well. A game or two I watched live i was scratching my head trying to figure out how he’s supposed to be one of the top qbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I would very much like this. I think Tua is a really good QB and I don't want him on the Phins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 There’s nothing about Herberts game that’s inspiring or game changing lol. He’s a poor mans Ryan Tannehill at best, I understand that he went through 3 different OC’s during his time in Oregon but that in some ways should also be a red flag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) I have Herbert's likely comp being a poor man's Jay Cutler and is as low a 1st round grade as I give soooo yeah, I'm happy to hear he might be Miami's target. Edit: He's also my #5 QB in the draft, so again, very pleased to see these reports. Edited April 15, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: Herbert doesn't have nearly the athleticism that Allen has, but he's more precise than Allen was, in college. That's at least what I've seen on tape, and heard from scouts. Well Josh Allen came from a unknown school in Wyoming while Herbert is from Oregon playing in the PAC 12. Herbert has better WR’s to work with than Allen did 10 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: I think I'm in the minority but I think Herbert will be very solid (not great). I think he will be a better version of Dalton, with a stronger arm and more mobile. That’s still not enough to get the job done lol. Saying you have a better version of Andy Dalton isn’t all that inspiring lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said: Well Josh Allen came from a unknown school in Wyoming while Herbert is from Oregon playing in the PAC 12. Herbert has better WR’s to work with than Allen did Definitely better WRs if you directly compare to Wyoming, but relative to the competition they were playing, Allen's WRs his sophomore year > Herbert's WRs. Allen's WRs his last year were an absolute embarrassment though, whereas Herbert's were simply bad. The major difference is that Oregon had one of the best OLines in the country while Allen was running for his life every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 11 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Not seeing it with Herbert. I know there’s injury concerns with Tua, but I see a young Marino when I see Tua. Quick release, accurate, prolific. I hope Miami takes Herbert. I think this is a smokescreen I bet money Miami takes Tua and Herbert goes to LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: There’s nothing about Herberts game that’s inspiring or game changing lol. This is how I feel. What is the one thing that you hang your hat on with Herbert? I couldn't see anything. He isn't terrible in any facet but there isn't something he does that I can really hang my hat on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, DCOrange said: Definitely better WRs if you directly compare to Wyoming, but relative to the competition they were playing, Allen's WRs his sophomore year > Herbert's WRs. Allen's WRs his last year were an absolute embarrassment though, whereas Herbert's were simply bad. The major difference is that Oregon had one of the best OLines in the country while Allen was running for his life every play. Definitely agree with you here. Allen will be 20 times a better QB than Herbert. Herbert isn’t threatening in the slightest. But I’m still sticking to my guns that Tua is going to Miami minus the injury concern and Herbert is going to LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Augie said: Just whiff, baby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: This is how I feel. What is the one thing that you hang your hat on with Herbert? I couldn't see anything. He isn't terrible in any facet but there isn't something he does that I can really hang my hat on. He screams career back up to me. Out of all the footage and highlight clips I’ve watched from him, that’s what’s it’s boiled down to for me. He a back up QB and not a starter. Anyone who drafts him is going to be looking for a new QB next years free agency or draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Definitely agree with you here. Allen will be 20 times a better QB than Herbert. Herbert isn’t threatening in the slightest. But I’m still sticking to my guns that Tua is going to Miami minus the injury concern and Herbert is going to LA Yeah, I mean, unless they're just scared shitless of Tua's injuries, I don't see how any team can prefer Herbert over Tua. I don't think Herbert is anywhere near Tua as a prospect (if his medicals are relatively okay). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said: He screams career back up to me. Out of all the footage and highlight clips I’ve watched from him, that’s what’s it’s boiled down to for me. He a back up QB and not a starter. Anyone who drafts him is going to be looking for a new QB next years free agency or draft So I think he can start but he will be one of those starters you are thinking you might need to replace if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: So I think he can start but he will be one of those starters you are thinking you might need to replace if that makes sense. Yeah it makes sense, definitely a bridge/stop gap QB. But I think Miami has been through enough of those lol. Probably the best one they had post Marino was Jay Fiedler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I think he can start but he will be one of those starters you are thinking you might need to replace if that makes sense. He is Bortles to me based on what I read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He is Bortles to me based on what I read That is a comparison that has popped into my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I love the two weeks before the draft when you can't pay attention to anything the media says. The misdirection is beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 This year's Christian Ponder. I pray the Dolphins pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Good fit for Herbert. He is going to need a low key atmosphere like Miami to fit in. I still see him as a bust. Guy had like one signature game in his entire Oregon career and that was him running the ball in the RoseBowl which is something he didn't do that much of. But Miami gives him a good chance to succeed. Can sit all of 2020 behind Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Good fit for Herbert. He is going to need a low key atmosphere like Miami to fit in. I still see him as a bust. Guy had like one signature game in his entire Oregon career and that was him running the ball in the RoseBowl which is something he didn't do that much of. But Miami gives him a good chance to succeed. Can sit all of 2020 behind Fitz. History says Fitz won’t survive the whole season (or even half). His second seasons as a starter for have been terrible. Edited April 15, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I believe every piece of news that is reported pre draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I believe every piece of news that is reported pre draft. Agreed, it’s all true. It has to be at least as true as any news coming out of China. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, Augie said: Agreed, it’s all true. It has to be at least as true as any news coming out of China. It’s hilarious that people all of A sudden decide to blindly trust China. I only get my news from trusted sources like North Korea and Kim Kardashian. 59 minutes ago, yungmack said: This year's Christian Ponder. I pray the Dolphins pick him. Interesting comparison. The only thing I’ll say about Herbert is he put up good numbers in college. Ponder wasn’t even really that good. i call that the Blaine Gabbert syndrome. Monster college stats don’t mean anything. But if are going to be a first round pick and didn’t look really good in college, it makes me really nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I see "it" with Tua, if he's healthy he's special. With Herbert, I watched a bunch of his games and saw a pretty good athlete playing QB. He strikes me as a Bortles, on paper, stud. On the field. Meh. If Miami takes Herbert, I wont be worried. The only problem I really have, is I saw Allen as a bigger Tannehill and he hasn't proven me wrong. Tantalizing bursts combined with infuriating stupidity. Hopefully, we see the 3rd year jump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I think there are many people that have Herbert over Tua. This is one of the biggest unknowns of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 21 hours ago, DCOrange said: Yeah, I mean, unless they're just scared shitless of Tua's injuries, I don't see how any team can prefer Herbert over Tua. I don't think Herbert is anywhere near Tua as a prospect (if his medicals are relatively okay). This is the correct answer. Tua throws with more accuracy and anticipation. Even with the injuries I would consider Tua over Herbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 This is why I am not concerned about the Fins long term. Yes they made some quality free agent additions (but this isn't the last time they went on a free agency binge) and they have a lot of draft capital both in 2020 and 2021 BUT they don't have a quality QB. Without a QB you are limited to just how far you can go (and it isn't like their roster even with their draft additions is super stacked.) That is why Josh Allen is ultimately responsible for the Bills long term fate the next 2-3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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akcash Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) At this point I don't think Tua is a starting NFL QB. And I think he has a long way to go. I wouldn't touch him till 3rd round or later if I needed a qb. Edited April 23, 2020 by akcash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 9:53 PM, LEBills said: The fish are overthinking it. And I’m very ok with that. If this is true, indeed they are. They have like 15 first round draft picks. Take Tua, ya dummies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Looks like Miami will have their chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Looks like Miami will have their chance... Also means they gave away both firsts and a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Also means they gave away both firsts and a second They wouldn't have to give up 18, 26, and a 2nd to move 2 spots. I could see maybe 26. Maybe just a 2nd. Detroit will likely get the same player at 5 than at 3. Edited April 23, 2020 by cle23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Honestly, if I didn't get Joe, I'd fill my roster with young draft picks and then look for a QB next year. Maybe, grab a qb late 2d/early 3d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 I have a feeling that Herbert will end up being the best QB in this draft so I would prefer he doesn’t end up in the AFC East. Lets Go Buffalo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 10:47 AM, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think this is a smokescreen I bet money Miami takes Tua and Herbert goes to LA I agree. I will be shocked if Tua is not a Dolphin. The fan base has been so set on Tua for so long that there could be riots in the streets if they pick Herbert.? I think they probably pick him at #3. This whole business about trading up for an offensive lineman is a crock of ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Also means they gave away both firsts and a second That would have been if the Dols kept their 5th overall and wanted the 3rd overall as well. 7 hours ago, cle23 said: They wouldn't have to give up 18, 26, and a 2nd to move 2 spots. I could see maybe 26. Maybe just a 2nd. Detroit will likely get the same player at 5 than at 3. More likely their 1st-2nd rounder. But hopefully the Lions will get their last-1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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