Carruci: Bills not pursuing Cam Newton

[Captain Hindsight]

Lots of hate on this board for a guy who went 15-1 and won an MVP award with Ted Ginn and Philly Brown as his primary targets

 

I'd encourage people to watch the all or nothing with the Panthers a few years ago. Definitely  changed my perspective on Cam

 

I get he wants to be a starter and frankly he should be. If Covid-19 wasnt happening right now, hed be in someones facility getting a physical and a contract

[Don Otreply]

Well this comes under the category of  “this had zero chance of ever happening”  Talk about stating the obvious, 
 

Go Bills!!!

[DJB]

Oh thank goodness ! 

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by DJB

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Well this comes under the category of  “this had zero chance of ever happening”  Talk about stating the obvious, 
 

Go Bills!!!

Personally I think there is still a possibility that he could if he doesn’t land a starting job somewhere and still wants to play. Sorry ? I know many do not want it to but...

- they need to upgrade at QB2

- Cam would be an upgrade 

- Josh no longer needs (or should need) that “atta boy” type like Barkley to help him understand how to prepare etc. At this point the Bills need a QB they can actually feel good about putting in the game if josh gets hurt, that’s where we are at. 
- Ken Dorsey is our QB coach and knows exactly what Cam’s strengths and weaknesses are

- assuming they go with a vet at QB2 Instead if a rookie, this is a unique year where familiarity is king. 
- josh’s style has often been compared to Cam so if cam had to play it wouldn’t mean changing the offense 

- I don’t think his “personality” is that big of deal to McBeane unless he’s in front of a microphone which he wouldn’t be as a backup 

- this is obviously only if he doesn’t have a starting opportunity anywhere - which is actually what Beane said. He said they aren’t pursuing him *because* they believe he wants to be a starter 

- my prediction though is that Cam waits to see if any injuries happen in TC to a starter and signs at that point 

Edited April 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Iamkrgr]

I know people hate on the idea but I’m not totally against it. here is why:

 

- familiarity

- if Josh Allen goes down, our season is toast. I know this is true for many teams but not many teams have cap flexibility to add a quality QB. 
- if healthy Cam is about as good as JA can hope to become. 
- our roster is ready to compete. I like Josh Allen. He’s proven to be decent to this point. Lots of warts in his game make him a bit of an Unknown in terms of leading a team to a super bowl. Cam Newton health permitted has been an MVP level QB. A few years removed from the MVP seasons but I wouldn’t put it past him just yet to have success. 
 

I understand the negatives. And I personally don’t see it happening. But if it did I wouldn’t be too shocked. I also wouldn’t be too shocked to see Cam steal the job if healthy. I feel people have forgotten just how good Cam Newton has been in his career. 

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Breaking news. Thanks, Vic.

 

 

First in Vic's upcoming series:  "I Confirm with The Bills All the QBs They Obviously Are Not Pursuing"...

[Blank Stare]

45 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Front office intention does not always match up with coaching staff which is why current partnership is working so well.

 

Chan Gailey's offense system is extremely complex as we saw in Buffalo and New Jersey; much more complex than it was when he was OC in Pittsburgh and Kansas City.  It greatly depends upon the QB being able to juggle many different factors both in huddle and out of it.  He does try to adapt it to personnel rather than some coaches who need the right player but some QBs just do not fit IMO. Cam Newton when healthy is a physical marvel but not going to be able to take advantage of why Dolphins hired Cam.  I do think Dolphins hired Chan because of QB they have (Fitzpatrick) but not entirely.

Fair points. I guess I also factor in that Norv Turner runs a pretty complex system, and he did alright digesting that. At least in year one. He didn’t light the world on fire, but had a decent season. No question, Fitz is a sharp guy (have you heard he went to Harvard? ?) and has a ton of experience in Chan’s offense which probably makes him a better fit in the short term. Especially, if we are looking at a truncated offseason. 

[Irish Dave]

It would be cool to have Fitz come back here, be the back up and mentor Josh and finish his career here.  He said recently that when he pictures himself as a football player, it's in a Bills Uniform.....

[DJB]

If we didnt have Allen and had a poor QB situation with a Fitzpatrick or Tyrod as our current starter, there is no question in my mind Cam would be brought in by this management group to be our guy. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Homey D. Clown said:

 

that is great news.  No room for a pouty, me first player 

 

 

No.  No room for that on the roster.........

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Irish Dave said:

It would be cool to have Fitz come back here, be the back up and mentor Josh and finish his career here.  He said recently that when he pictures himself as a football player, it's in a Bills Uniform.....

I could see that too but the “Fitz Cycle” scares me too much 

[BuffaloBills1998]

6 minutes ago, Irish Dave said:

It would be cool to have Fitz come back here, be the back up and mentor Josh and finish his career here.  He said recently that when he pictures himself as a football player, it's in a Bills Uniform.....

Unfortunately I think this is most likely his last year as he’ll most likely retire with Miami. It would be cool to have a Fitz/Buffalo type of reunion. Who knows maybe after this year he might still want to play and maybe he’ll go back to the team he spent the most time with

[Big Gun]

As they shouldn't be, good!

[White Linen]

Beane just trying to drive his price down. 

[TigerJ]

If Buffalo's starter at QB was Tyrod Taylor, they would definitely consider pursuing Cam Newton.  Otherwise. . .

[TheFunPolice]

Is anyone really "pursuing" Newton?

 

I feel like some team will shrug and say "fine, we'll give him a shot" but hardly a pursuit. 

 

That said, I think he still has some game left. Some team will get a bargain. I'm not saying he is MVP level still, but I think he can still play. 

 

 

[Beast]

Was this a thing?

[BarleyNY]

11 hours ago, njbuff said:

If I was Cam, I would go to Pittsburgh.

 

Ben is hanging on by a thread at this point.

Probably a good fit, but they have no cap space and no good way to create more. 

[T master]

Thank goodness !! I would have to root for a player that i can't stand & the Bills would have to pay the guy way too much money to be a back up & cause a QB controversy . I think it would be foolish to even look in his direction he has a bigger than life aura about him & he's not going to be happy being a back up & it would only cause a bigger distraction than help IMHO ! 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Personally I think there is still a possibility that he could if he doesn’t land a starting job somewhere and still wants to play. Sorry ? I know many do not want it to but...

- they need to upgrade at QB2

- Cam would be an upgrade 

- Josh no longer needs (or should need) that “atta boy” type like Barkley to help him understand how to prepare etc. At this point the Bills need a QB they can actually feel good about putting in the game if josh gets hurt, that’s where we are at. 
- Ken Dorsey is our QB coach and knows exactly what Cam’s strengths and weaknesses are

- assuming they go with a vet at QB2 Instead if a rookie, this is a unique year where familiarity is king. 
- josh’s style has often been compared to Cam so if cam had to play it wouldn’t mean changing the offense 

- I don’t think his “personality” is that big of deal to McBeane unless he’s in front of a microphone which he wouldn’t be as a backup 

- this is obviously only if he doesn’t have a starting opportunity anywhere - which is actually what Beane said. He said they aren’t pursuing him *because* they believe he wants to be a starter 

- my prediction though is that Cam waits to see if any injuries happen in TC to a starter and signs at that point 

Okay, so your sayin there’s a chance...

 

?

 

Go Bills!!!

[F.W. Cyclone]

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

It would be a cap killing move and would hurt the culture in the locker room.  Beane has seen Newton in person and knows the risks.

Where are the reports of coaches and players saying one negative thing about Cam in the lockerroom?  We also traded for Benjamin who was a fat loser in Carolina.   
 

The Majority of the people who have the most problem with Newton are grumpy (normally older) fans who think Rivers trash talking is a good ol’ boy having fun and when Newton does it, he’s a problem in the lockerroom. 
 

he isn’t coming here and he shouldn’t.  He’s too good to be a backup for Allen.  I just hope he’s healthy and gets to shut people up.  I’ve never seen a good qb take as much crap as he does.  

[BuffaloBills1998]

Might be unpopular choices but what about Moore or McCown? Certainly it’s better than Bortles, Glennon and Flacco. 

[purple haze]

13 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Let's say the Bills did not have Josh Allen, but rather Ryan Tannehill (or equivalent) as the QB, does anyone think Beane would pursue Cam Newton?  Not sure if the Carolina connection is strong enough to overlook Cam acting like Cam usually does - a crybaby.

In your scenario, Beane damn sure would pursue him if he had any common sense.

[Happy]

7 minutes ago, purple haze said:

In your scenario, Beane damn sure would pursue him if he had any common sense.

 

Even given the fact that Beane knows Cam's character and tendencies?  I'm not so sure, though I am interested in what others think.

[longtimebillsfan]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Carolina connection that tons of people love to point to anytime one of their former players are released  - McBeane and Ken Dorsey know him better than any other team in the league except for redskins who already traded for Kyle Allen. And the Bills need another QB, most people agree that they could/should upgrade at QB2. Every day I see something like this on twitter or people calling into the radio 

 

Would Cam be open to coming in as a backup? Probably not but it may be either that or no offer at all. 

why not ask Beane instead of just assuming they aren’t pursuing him? No one knows for sure what front offices are doing or thinking. 

That was my thinking.  If Cam had no opportunity to compete for a staring position, the Bills would be a logical option Fir him to serve as a backup.

[C.Biscuit97]

41 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Might be unpopular choices but what about Moore or McCown? Certainly it’s better than Bortles, Glennon and Flacco. 

Flacco is far away the best of that group.  Shoot, he may look better in camp than Allen.  But he would be the best backup choice. 

10 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Even given the fact that Beane knows Cam's character and tendencies?  I'm not so sure, though I am interested in what others think.

Again, where are the character concerns about Newton from Carolina???  Yeah, I’m sure They hated Newton when they went to the SB which helped them all get better jobs. 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Lots of hate on this board for a guy who went 15-1 and won an MVP award with Ted Ginn and Philly Brown as his primary targets

 

No hate from me on Cam I think it right system and healthy he is very dangerous QB. He was NFL Offense player of the year in 2015.  

I think a lot of hate has nothing to do with football.

[Happy]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

Again, where are the character concerns about Newton from Carolina???  Yeah, I’m sure They hated Newton when they went to the SB which helped them all get better jobs. 

 

That he's a whiner and pouts when he doesn't get his way.  In general, an entitled baby.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

That he's a whiner and pouts when he doesn't get his way.  In general, an entitled baby.

Yeah, you didn’t answer my question.  Where are the guys who actually play with him, and not sit on the couch, say he is a bad teammate?

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

That he's a whiner and pouts when he doesn't get his way.  In general, an entitled baby.

 

Cam Newton was the victim of refs regularly turning a blind eye to what should have been roughing the passer calls for at least one entire season.  He deserved to b!tch about that.

 

I don't think he handles himself well in press conferences at times.  I do think there is somewhat of an immaturity issue there.

 

But, by all accounts, he has always been a very hard worker and a great teammate; and a guy who's played through injury for a lot of his career.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Is anyone really "pursuing" Newton?

 

I feel like some team will shrug and say "fine, we'll give him a shot" but hardly a pursuit. 

 

That said, I think he still has some game left. Some team will get a bargain. I'm not saying he is MVP level still, but I think he can still play. 

 

 

 

I think with covid-19 and the inability to get him in with your doctors, his unique fit (he is not a fit for all offenses), and only recent full availability hindered his ability to find a team.  With the draft coming up you'll see how teams address the position like NE, LAC, Miami, Jax, Wash.  

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I think with covid-19 and the inability to get him in with your doctors, his unique fit (he is not a fit for all offenses), and only recent full availability hindered his ability to find a team.  With the draft coming up you'll see how teams address the position like NE, LAC, Miami, Jax, Wash.  

 

Cam is still young enough to not consider a backup role yet.  If no teams bites after the draft (like you are saying) he may just sit back and get healthy

and wait to see what happens during the year.  Why tie yourself down to a backup role for 5 million.  He would kick himself is he did

and a starter went down early in the year.

[Happy]

27 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, you didn’t answer my question.  Where are the guys who actually play with him, and not sit on the couch, say he is a bad teammate?

 

No idea, though I don't pay attention to the Panthers, in general.  I personally think Cam is on the immature side.  Interesting that the new regime just cut him rather than keeping him on the team if Cam was that valuable going forward; should say all you need to know.

23 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Cam Newton was the victim of refs regularly turning a blind eye to what should have been roughing the passer calls for at least one entire season.  He deserved to b!tch about that.

 

I don't think he handles himself well in press conferences at times.  I do think there is somewhat of an immaturity issue there.

 

But, by all accounts, he has always been a very hard worker and a great teammate; and a guy who's played through injury for a lot of his career.

 

Absolutely agree with the first sentence.  Not all QBs got the Tom Brady treatment.

The new coaching staff chose not to retain Cam and release him, which tells me all I need to know.

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

No idea, though I don't pay attention to the Panthers, in general.  I personally think Cam is on the immature side.  Interesting that the new regime just cut him rather than keeping him on the team if Cam was that valuable going forward; should say all you need to know.

 

Absolutely agree with the first sentence.  Not all QBs got the Tom Brady treatment.

The new coaching staff chose not to retain Cam and release him, which tells me all I need to know.

 

I think it's more likely that he's just damaged goods.  I could be biased.  I've always liked Cam Newton.  I also think a lot of those "missed" calls were due to his size and nothing else.  We've already seen similar treatment with Josh Allen not getting egregious roughing calls.

 

I'd love to see Cam come back and have a few good seasons.  But not in Buffalo.

 

 

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I think it's more likely that he's just damaged goods.  I could be biased.  I've always liked Cam Newton.  I also think a lot of those "missed" calls were due to his size and nothing else.  We've already seen similar treatment with Josh Allen not getting egregious roughing calls.

 

I'd love to see Cam come back and have a few good seasons.  But not in Buffalo.

 

 

 

Maybe the QB's size has something to do with it.  Another point is mobility; the more mobile, the more the QB should be viewed as a QB/RB combo.  Did Big Ben not get roughing calls?  I don't recall.  He is a bigger QB and used to scramble often enough.

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Dalton is under contract for 17 million this year, no ones trading for a  1 year 17 million rental, Flacco is banged up and didn’t pass his physical which lead to his release , Newton is banged up as well and won’t settle for being a back up and Winston minus his INT problem has off field and character issues that Beane and McD won’t put up with. I’m sure we draft a QB in round 5 or 6

Dalton will be cut to save that money.  Good luck finding someone to trade with to take on that contract.  So once he's a free agent I'm sure there will be a lot of bitters.  A banged up Flacco, Newton, and a mistake prone Winston is far superior to Matt Barkley.  I mean only if you intend on still competing if Allen goes down for some reason.  If not you're just tanking for a higher draft pick.

[C.Biscuit97]

21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Dalton will be cut to save that money.  Good luck finding someone to trade with to take on that contract.  So once he's a free agent I'm sure there will be a lot of bitters.  A banged up Flacco, Newton, and a mistake prone Winston is far superior to Matt Barkley.  I mean only if you intend on still competing if Allen goes down for some reason.  If not you're just tanking for a higher draft pick.

This team is set up to win with almost any decent qb.  Barkley is not a decent qb.  But he’s nice and Allen like him so that’s all that matters. 

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This team is set up to win with almost any decent qb.  Barkley is not a decent qb.  But he’s nice and Allen like him so that’s all that matters. 

Normally I'd trust Beane and McDermott to make the right call and look to upgrade.........but they thought it was a good idea to start Nathan Peterman so I don't trust them when it comes to QB's.

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Normally I'd trust Beane and McDermott to make the right call and look to upgrade.........but they thought it was a good idea to start Nathan Peterman so I don't trust them when it comes to QB's.

Barkley isn’t good enough.  It’s painfully obvious.  He has a 21% int ratio (Winston is at 3.5!).  But I do slightly understand why they don’t want to bring in a guy that could beat Allen out in camp.  But given our qb play last year, I think any decent qb could win games if Allen got hurt.