Richard Noggin Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Nitro said: Sorry but a twelve hour shift in 911 can make a person imperfect. I meant last season. Thanks for pointing in out. Oof. Your hard work is GREATLY AND SINCERELY (I'm not kidding, for once) appreciated, but it's no reason to hop on a cross over a misused word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/31/2020 at 5:12 AM, RealKayAdams said: starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? I can't see them keeping 11 OL. And I'm not sure how (Victor) Salako figures to win a backup job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JerseyBills Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/31/2020 at 5:12 AM, RealKayAdams said: starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? Feliciano isn't losing that spot unless he's playing C. He was a beast all year and his versatility is great. What a steal he was last off season On 3/31/2020 at 5:12 AM, RealKayAdams said: starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? That's a deep , versatile group of OL. Wow. Not too shabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lurker Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Woah! That is essentially a freebee contract. There is virtually no risk to the Bills, other than taking away snaps from someone else in training camp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) I was way off thinking they offered him $5.5M. Great deal, especially if he can regain his 2017 form. I'd say that they have around $19.5M in cap room accounting for the top-53. Edited April 4, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: $2.5 mil. Beane!! such a great contract for the Bills. I mean this is at worse a player that can be cut for next to nothing and at best he starts at RT if necessary. Edited April 4, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Almost an identical deal to the one signed by Spain last offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 2:28 AM, Richard Noggin said: Oof. Your hard work is GREATLY AND SINCERELY (I'm not kidding, for once) appreciated, but it's no reason to hop on a cross over a misused word. I was not hoping on a cross. Stating a fact and thanking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I wonder if McBeane isn't as happy with Feliciano as a lot of us think. Which means with Williams signing, are the Bills in the market for drafting an IOL with one of their first 3 picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I wonder if McBeane isn't as happy with Feliciano as a lot of us think. Which means with Williams signing, are the Bills in the market for drafting an IOL with one of their first 3 picks? Not sure it says anything about JF and if Williams is viewed as the guy to be the starting RT, you kick Ford inside. They should be drafting OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I wonder if McBeane isn't as happy with Feliciano as a lot of us think. Which means with Williams signing, are the Bills in the market for drafting an IOL with one of their first 3 picks? i'd say more unhappy with nietchke and being injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 3:17 PM, gobills404 said: I thought he played out of position at Left GUARD last year? Maybe they moved him around? I know the Panthers OL was a mess last year and constantly shifting. Weird they wouldnt just put him back at RT to have at least one solid position. But maybe they figured Williams was good enough to move around and that was their best shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 3/31/2020 at 5:12 AM, RealKayAdams said: starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? Feliciano over Ford, that battle is not even close 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, CSBill said: Feliciano over Ford, that battle is not even close How could you possibly know that? For one thing, players usually progress from year 1 to year 2, so you can't just assume Cody Ford has topped out. That's silly. For another, Ford hasn't gotten to concentrate solely on playing RG instead of RT so far in his NFL career. How do we know he's not an All-Pro caliber guard? That's what most analysts feel his best position in the pros is. So again, I'm just not sure how you can make that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Logic said: How could you possibly know that? For one thing, players usually progress from year 1 to year 2, so you can't just assume Cody Ford has topped out. That's silly. For another, Ford hasn't gotten to concentrate solely on playing RG instead of RT so far in his NFL career. How do we know he's not an All-Pro caliber guard? That's what most analysts feel his best position in the pros is. So again, I'm just not sure how you can make that statement. How? I watched Ford play last year. But even more, I also watched Feliciano play. He was better, that's why. Edited April 10, 2020 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, CSBill said: How? I watched Ford play last year. But even more, I also watched Feliciano play. He was better, that's why. But Ford didn’t play guard last year? i thought Feliciano was great, but Ford has the potential to be better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, CSBill said: How? I watched Ford play last year. But even more, I also watched Feliciano play. He was better, that's why. I think it is silly to assume D.Williams is going to take the RT spot from Ford. Ford was trash a lot of last season but after Ty got hurt Ford looked a lot better. I expect Ford will pick up where he left off and play well at RT better than D.Williams who has been seriously hurt multiple times since his All-Pro days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia828 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, CSBill said: Feliciano over Ford, that battle is not even close agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 It's amazing to me that people are certain they know exactly what we have in Ford... Wait, actually I would expect no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, CSBill said: How? I watched Ford play last year. But even more, I also watched Feliciano play. He was better, that's why. So you’re just gonna totally ignore the fact that Ford played a different position and that players improve from year 1 to year 2? Cool. Great talk. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, CSBill said: How? I watched Ford play last year. But even more, I also watched Feliciano play. He was better, that's why. Very small sample size of Ford at OG (I assume your not mixing apples and oranges for OG/OT) THat said...no Jon should not lose his spot when he did everything he should to keep it. I still say Ford is going to be a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 3:20 PM, JerseyBills said: Feliciano isn't losing that spot unless he's playing C. He was a beast all year and his versatility is great. What a steal he was last off season For me, it's just an off-season projection based partly on Ford's draft report and partly on his rookie year performances at RG and RT. I think Ford has the highest ceiling of the 3 (Ford, Feliciano, Williams) at RG and Williams has the highest ceiling (a return to 2017 form) of the 3 at RT. So that's why I have Feliciano as the odd man out. It's a projection dependent on best-case scenarios. I'm not a Feliciano hater by any means. I will say this, however: this Bills only had the 24th best offense last year and were mediocre in both allowed QB sack percentage and rushing yards per carry. Diggs, a younger Gore replacement, and more collective experience in Daboll's offense may not be enough to propel the offense into top 10 range. Maybe fielding the same starting OL lineup as last year is sufficient (Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Feliciano-Ford), but maybe the Bills will need an internal upgrade among Long, Nsekhe, Williams, and Bates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said: For me, it's just an off-season projection based partly on Ford's draft report and partly on his rookie year performances at RG and RT. I think Ford has the highest ceiling of the 3 (Ford, Feliciano, Williams) at RG and Williams has the highest ceiling (a return to 2017 form) of the 3 at RT. So that's why I have Feliciano as the odd man out. It's a projection dependent on best-case scenarios. I'm not a Feliciano hater by any means. I will say this, however: this Bills only had the 24th best offense last year and were mediocre in both allowed QB sack percentage and rushing yards per carry. Diggs, a younger Gore replacement, and more collective experience in Daboll's offense may not be enough to propel the offense into top 10 range. Maybe fielding the same starting OL lineup as last year is sufficient (Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Feliciano-Ford), but maybe the Bills will need an internal upgrade among Long, Nsekhe, Williams, and Bates. Nice logic. The OL, except maybe Morse, are all very average. Not all 1st rounders like what Dallas put together a few years back. The Bill's have seen worse but another stud or two would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I still think Ford takes the RT spot. That is where the Bills value him the most , hence why they are going to let him develop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I still think Ford takes the RT spot. That is where the Bills value him the most , hence why they are going to let him develop He'll likely have to earn it. Last year he was gifted reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He'll likely have to earn it. Last year he was gifted reps. Sean McDermott didn't give him nothing. Very few things in the NFL are handed to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Sean McDermott didn't give him nothing. Very few things in the NFL are handed to you He was gifted reps. Same with Ed Oliver early on. Oliver eventually lost reps, but gained them back. Edited April 11, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He was gifted reps. Same with Ed Oliver early on. Oliver eventually lost reps, but gained them back. You can't gift reps to somebody in OTAs. Everybody is Working hard In fact Oliver came into minicamp and OTAs as a backup. He wasn't gifted a starting job out the gate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: You can't gift reps to somebody in OTAs. Everybody is Working hard In fact Oliver came into minicamp and OTAs as a backup. He wasn't gifted a starting job out the gate He was. He picked up his game as the year went on but others deserved more game time early on. Ford was also gifted reps and would have lost his job if injuries didn't keep him in. Edited April 11, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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