Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said: Mitch Goldich of SI had this to say about Newton: So if he’s not walking into an open starting job, here’s my total darkhorse candidate that should consider him: The Buffalo Bills. The Bills are a playoff team. They have a great defense. They came into this offseason with a ton of cap room, and still have the 10th-most available. They just brought in a legitimate No. 1 wide receiver. They also may smell a particularly ripe time to go all-in chasing their first AFC East title since 1995, with the Dolphins still building up, the Jets being eternally unreliable and the Patriots finally turning the page on the Tom Brady era. I know Josh Allen has a lot of supporters insisting he got better throughout last season, and that he has a chance to take another step forward this year. I also know how the nation felt during his most recent game, watching him struggle his way through the second half and overtime of a 16-point blown lead against the Texans. The Bills might come to the conclusion that Josh Allen is good enough. They could also easily be one year away from the situation Chicago found itself in with Mitchell Trubisky this offseason—suddenly very aware their quarterback simply isn’t the guy, in danger of letting the window close on an otherwise good team. Buffalo would be better served taking a chance on an undervalued player one year early instead of overpaying for a solution one year too late. If Newton is healthy, he could be an immediate upgrade over Allen and make Buffalo a real contender in the AFC. If he’s not healthy, Buffalo would still have the quarterback that led the team to a wild-card berth last year. Bills head coach Sean McDermott was the defensive coordinator in Carolina for six years, including Cam’s MVP/Super Bowl campaign. Of course, that’s not the same as Philip Rivers walking into his old offensive coordinator Frank Reich’s system in Indy. But they are at least familiar with each other. McDermott is uniquely qualified to know whether or not Newton would be a good fit for that team, outside the X’s and O’s of the scheme. If Newton is going to be available for below-market value, somebody should pounce. Why not Buffalo? https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/22/offseason-story-lines-tom-brady-cam-newton-coronavirus At this point in Cam Newton's career, how exactly is he an immediate upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 3:38 AM, MJS said: Newton has had plenty of teammates and former teammates say bad things about him. Did you not see how he conducted himself last season during joint practices with the Bills? Dude stands on the sidelines and chirps and chirps and chirps nonstop, talking trash to anyone who will give him a glance. He's so full of himself it's stupid. Wouldn't want him on my team in his prime. I’d be tempted just to see what Oliver does in camp. ?♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 4:45 AM, Ethan in Portland said: What are you trying to say? Cam has taken a beating that no other QB would have. Some of it is his fault but there is a bias against him. I don’t even think it is intentional. I liken it to Shaquille O’Neil. They are both so physically dominating it is difficult to officiate fouls against them as they so often are the initiators of the contact. Cam has been a warrior. when the balls on the floor - get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 LOLOLOLOLOLOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 This is like asking if Putin would make a good VP for Trump... ...oh wait... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) Hi: I took all kinds of heat when I started this thread. Well..... I just read on CBS Sportsline that the Bills are the 2nd most likely landing place for cam Newton. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cam-newton-released-four-most-logical-landing-spots-for-longtime-panthers-quarterback/ It makes sense on many levels. Edited March 25, 2020 by longtimebillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/17/2020 at 11:53 PM, billsbackto81 said: To quote Cam Newton himself, " Is you dumb?" Cam at 4:14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hQJNXy4LIs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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longtimebillsfan Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, class_of_2012 said: Cam at 4:14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hQJNXy4LIs Cam doesn't seem to have many options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 In one word..... No A more detailed version of NO begins with he is a starting caliber QB the second point being a salary between 15-25m for your BU QB is ridiculous. Not to mention all the fans that would immediately be calling for Cam to start or the bunch on the fence that would throw Josh under the bus as soon as he hit a rough patch. As I said before the fans wanted HOF #12 benched for Frank back in the day....I was not one of them. The Bills have a legitimate #1 QB and a guy to lead this team for another 10 or so years you don't over turn the apple cart. That type of move fits the preceding 20 or so years of the big signing to sell tickets and poor on field performance. They sell tickets by good decision making and winning now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 3:55 AM, Doc Brown said: Whenever I think of Newton this play comes to mind. Not a fan and I wouldn't mind him going to the Patriots. We have seen what Josh does in that situation....dives in head first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 If we are going to upgrade the backup QB position, I'd want Andy Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: Hi: I took all kinds of heat when I started this thread. Well..... I just read on CBS Sportsline that the Bills are the 2nd most likely landing place for cam Newton. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cam-newton-released-four-most-logical-landing-spots-for-longtime-panthers-quarterback/ It makes sense on many levels. It really only makes sense to a writer with space to fill. To summarize why a bad idea: 1. Will want to be a starter 2. Will want more $ than a normal backup 3. His ego is not suited to a backup 4. Does not seem like the mentor type 5. Injury status unknown So while I think he is better than Barkley as a QB, he would not be a better backup QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 8 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: Hi: I took all kinds of heat when I started this thread. Well..... I just read on CBS Sportsline that the Bills are the 2nd most likely landing place for cam Newton. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cam-newton-released-four-most-logical-landing-spots-for-longtime-panthers-quarterback/ It makes sense on many levels. It would make sense only from a skill set stand point- right now Can is a lesser version of JA. I understand he was MVP only 4 years ago but that was a long time ago in regards to the hits he has taken. Cam will end up in a situation where he feels he can start and Buffalo is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: It would make sense only from a skill set stand point- right now Can is a lesser version of JA. I understand he was MVP only 4 years ago but that was a long time ago in regards to the hits he has taken. Cam will end up in a situation where he feels he can start and Buffalo is not one of them. Isn't that the definition of a backup QB. I don't see many starting opportunities for Cam. The important question is: is Cam an upgrade to our current back up? I believe that he would be yes. Edited March 25, 2020 by longtimebillsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Cam should just wait for a playoff contender to have a QB injury and sign with them. It is bound to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Isn't that the definition of a backup QB. I don't see many starting opportunities for Cam. The important question is: is Cam an upgrade to our current back up? I believe that he would be. In theory it would make sense because they have similar skill sets. However, do you think Cam would just accept that role honestly? You don't see a distraction, overshadowing, and the moment Allen has a sub-par game or even practice, then here comes all the controversy. And then when Newton has a subpart game or practice, put the kid back in. That's a mess Beane and McDermott do not want or need. Edited March 25, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: In theory it would make sense because they have similar skill sets. However, do you think Cam would just accept that role honestly? You don't see a distraction, overshadowing, and the moment Allen has a sub-par game or even practice, then here comes all the controversy. And then when Newton has a subpart game or practice, put the kid back in. That's a mess Beane and McDermott do not want or need. I can't say how Cam will handle the downside of his career. The fact that he has a history with Beane and to a lesser extent McDermott, this may be a good situation for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 hours ago, JMF2006 said: We have seen what Josh does in that situation....dives in head first But is that smart? I mean I love that attitude but if your qb gets a concussion there, will fans be applauding his bravery? Watch what Brady does on INTs. He runs out of the way. Looks very soft but what if Brady gets hurt on a crack back block and is knocked out? part of the reason Newton has had so many injuries is because he tries to win on every play. Again, you love the attitude until he gets hurt. Allen should develop a similar mindset. You don’t last as a starting qb being a hero on every play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said: I can't say how Cam will handle the downside of his career. The fact that he has a history with Beane and to a lesser extent McDermott, this may be a good situation for him. And that's why it's not worth bringing him in in my opinion, because I'm sure he feels he can still play at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 3:55 AM, Doc Brown said: Whenever I think of Newton this play comes to mind. Not a fan and I wouldn't mind him going to the Patriots. Would have been much smarter to get a concussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: And that's why it's not worth bringing him in in my opinion, because I'm sure he feels he can still play at a high level. Don't underestimate McDermott in handling difficult personalities. He may be able to sell Cam this new role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Isn't that the definition of a backup QB. I don't see many starting opportunities for Cam. The important question is: is Cam an upgrade to our current back up? I believe that he would be yes. You and I disagree on what Cam is willing to do when he arrives wherever that is. If he is not the starter he will do what he must to become the starter, he will sow division in the locker room. Skill set is far less important on a backup QBs resume than the proper mentality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You and I disagree on what Cam is willing to do when he arrives wherever that is. If he is not the starter he will do what he must to become the starter, he will sow division in the locker room. Skill set is far less important on a backup QBs resume than the proper mentality. I do agree with this. I also know we’re screwed if Barkley has to play and that could derail a playoff berth. Get Joe Flacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simstim Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: It really only makes sense to a writer with space to fill. To summarize why a bad idea: 1. Will want to be a starter 2. Will want more $ than a normal backup 3. His ego is not suited to a backup 4. Does not seem like the mentor type 5. Injury status unknown So while I think he is better than Barkley as a QB, he would not be a better backup QB. Pretty much think this covers it. Mind you, if Cam actually wanted to be a backup for a year, then I am open to being convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I do agree with this. I also know we’re screwed if Barkley has to play and that could derail a playoff berth. Get Joe Flacco. I agree on Barkley part but I am not sure Flacco will be cheap enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 2:06 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: 1) Cam has no interest in being a backup at this point. If he's healthy, he's earned a shot to start. If he isn't, he shouldn't be a backup 2) The ego pressure in that QB room would be so intense that Ken Dorsey would have to be rushed to the hypobaric chamber to prevent a bad case of the "Bends" FIFY. Oh, wait, you weren't speaking French? You meant the QB last name Winston? Seriously - since "taking care of the football" is such a huge deal for McDermott, why does anyone think he'd want Mr Picksomatic waiting in the wings? McDermott had Nathan Pickerman starting games so stop. J Winston would be a upgrade to Matt Barkley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 He would be the best backup in the league if he is healthy. That's why he is going to be a starter somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 2:06 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: 1) Cam has no interest in being a backup at this point. If he's healthy, he's earned a shot to start. If he isn't, he shouldn't be a backup 2) The ego pressure in that QB room would be so intense that Ken Dorsey would have to be rushed to the hypobaric chamber to prevent a bad case of the "Bends" FIFY. Oh, wait, you weren't speaking French? You meant the QB last name Winston? Seriously - since "taking care of the football" is such a huge deal for McDermott, why does anyone think he'd want Mr Picksomatic waiting in the wings? Winston career int % 3.5 barkley career int % 6.1 He also drafted Nate Peterman, career int 9.2%!!! winston might be too cautious to be a Bills backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I don't see any way that Cam would want to come to Buffalo to be a backup and that goes for Winston too. Flacco is probably toast and there is no real FA QBs worth anything. So, would it make sense that the Bills take a flyer on a 5th or 6th round QB in the draft? I'm not a huge college fan but maybe a Nate Stanley/Steven Montez type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Yeah since we missed our chance to sign Brady as the backup, this is a good plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You and I disagree on what Cam is willing to do when he arrives wherever that is. If he is not the starter he will do what he must to become the starter, he will sow division in the locker room. Skill set is far less important on a backup QBs resume than the proper mentality. This is your opinion, correct? If Newton became our backup, I am confident that McBeane would have defined his role and obtained a buy in from him. In my opinion. As far as your last point, skill set extremely important when your QB goes down. Do you remember games last year when Allen was not able to play or finish games? Not pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Every time I read this thread title I can't help but laugh. Cam Newton playing backup to a guy that can't even hit the side of a barn with his passes. Cam may not be the most accurate passer, but he's light years ahead of Allen. BTW, Cam's teamates have never suggested that he does anything to hurt morale and he's only 30. People are just making stuff up here to support their arguments. I'm guessing he can still run, but I want a QB that can throw. I don't care if he runs at all. How many yards have Brady, Montana, Kelly, Marino et al run for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 6:26 AM, JMF2006 said: We have seen what Josh does in that situation....dives in head first Yes. Josh has a lot of experience with fumbles. He was 3rd in the entire NFL in fumbling in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Absolutely noway in hell. Cam would destroy the locker room. I think he is an incredible player and talent but he is a headcase and drama queen. Plus we are not going to pay a back up QB $15+ million. Not going to happen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, wppete said: Absolutely noway in hell. Cam would destroy the locker room. I think he is an incredible player and talent but he is a headcase and drama queen. Plus we are not going to pay a back up QB $15+ million. Not going to happen. He's the only person who could show up Fitz in your avatar with a daily display of amazing fashion taste which would lead us to 5 SBs in a row. On a more serious note... yes you're 100% right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Would I like to have an athlete like Cam Newton as our backup? Yes. Is he a good fit for a backup role? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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