Tell me about vosean Joseph. Is this guy going to be a contributor?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I know nothing about the guy, what kind of college career did he have?

[fansince88]

Best nose tackle to ever play the game!

[The_Ripster]

He's a BEAST and if he gained like 25 lbs he'd pretty much be Kenneth Murray 2.0

[GunnerBill]

I liked him coming out of college. He was the #4 player left on my board when the Bills picked him last April. He is a physical player, he is a hitter and he showed pretty good skill getting after QBs as a blitzer from the linebacker spot too. 

 

Worryingly he was very much off the pace in pre-season. Looked like his head was spinning out there. I think it was an IR stash by the Bills because they hope he is going to be a player but they couldn't, in all good faith, put him on the 2019 roster over the likes of Corey Thompson who had an outstanding camp and pre-season and Julian Stanford who played in some spot duty in 2018 and has been a solid special teams guy. 

 

I think Stanford and Mo Alexander are both FAs this time so there are spots to be shot at (especially with Zo retiring) but he isn't the only talented young 'backer hoping to make it stick. Despite his off field issues the Bills have stuck by Tyrel Dodson who was one of my sleepers last spring and at Texas A&M he just struck me as a classic McDermott linebacker. He has a shot to make the team too though I doubt both he and Joseph make it stick - it is probably one or the other. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by GunnerBill

[The_Ripster]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

I liked him coming out of college. He was the #4 player left on my board when the Bills picked him last April. He is a physical player, he is a hitter and he showed pretty good skill getting after QBs as a blitzer from the linebacker spot too. 

 

Worryingly he was very much off the pace in pre-season. Looked like his head was spinning out there. I think it was an IR stash by the Bills because they hope he is going to be a player but they couldn't, in all good faith, put him on the 2019 roster over the likes of Corey Thompson who had an outstanding camp and pre-season and Julian Stanford who played in some spot duty in 2018 and has been a solid special teams guy. 

 

I think Stanford and Mo Alexander are both FAs this time so there are spots to be shot at (especially with Zo retiring) but he isn't the only talented young 'backer hoping to make it stick. Despite his off field issues the Bills have stuck by Tyrel Dodson who was one of my sleepers last spring and at Texas A&M he just struck me as a classic McDermott linebacker. He has a shot to make the team too though I doubt both he and Joseph make it stick. 

whats your opinion on Dodson? do you think he has the edge over VJ?

[Don Otreply]

He was a little raw coming out of college, hits like a Mack truck, check his highlights on U tube

[GunnerBill]

Just now, The_Ripster said:

whats your opinion on Dodson? do you think he has the edge over VJ?

 

I think Dodson has a shot. Joseph might have the edge as a draft choice and had a more consistent college career (Dodson going into his final year was seen as a potential late day 2 guy but had an up and down final season at A&M and slid) but Dodson outplayed him in pre-season last year. Two to keep an eye on.  

[Rc2catch]

If I’m correct he’s really fast. And loves contact. But he’s not a polished guy. So we’ll see him eaten up by blockers and be out of place a lot. Mcdermott can coach this guy up for sure. I don’t think he’ll get a shot to start anywhere in the near future but I think his athleticism alone is enough to keep him active. I don’t know his special teams capabilities and we know how important that is on this team so i would expect coaches would emphasize he work on that in order to have a shot at the team next season and being active. He has potential for sure. 

[The_Ripster]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Dodson has a shot. Joseph might have the edge as a draft choice and had a more consistent college career (Dodson going into his final year was seen as a potential late day 2 guy but had an up and down final season at A&M and slid) but Dodson outplayed him in pre-season last year. Two to keep an eye on.  

 

For me, Dodson reminds me of Edmunds somewhat where as VJ is a different style of player, ya know?

I think you're right about the draft pick priority status. Should be one hell of a training camp this year, really looking forward to see what happens next. 

[Mr. WEO]

what ever happened to that guy?

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

what ever happened to that guy?

IR, it was a stash a player deal

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

IR, it was a stash a player deal

 

 

He's not injured?

 

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He's not injured?

 

I think it was an end run around the official rules type of deal

[DCbillsfan]

He was hurt in the last preseason game and had season ending surgery.  Placed on IR.  Shoulder injury I believe.

Edited January 8, 2020 by DCbillsfan

[Don Otreply]

10 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

He was hurt in the last preseason game and had season ending surgery.  Placed on IR.  Shoulder injury I believe.

Oh, didn’t hear about that, just heard they were stashing him on IR, hope he healed up well, 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Vosean kind of reminds me of Corey Thompson

[Buffalo86]

From his nfl.com draft profile:

 

"His tape has no middle ground, it's either really impressive or really ugly. Now go look at his production this year and you realize you can coach some ugly out of his play. He's a '5' right now but we can turn him into a '9.'" - AFC defensive coach

 

Here's hoping the unnamed AFC defensive coach is one of ours & he knows what he's talking about.

 

[SCBills]

One of my best friends is a Gator fan.  I’ve seen him a bit and asked my buddy about him.  
 

He’s fast and hits like a truck.  He’ll put a highlight reel on tape in a single game.  He jumps off the screen.  
 

He’ll also completely go off script and gets out of position way too often.  Although, some of this is due to the freelancing component of the UF defense. 
 

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by SCBills

[MJS]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

From his nfl.com draft profile:

 

"His tape has no middle ground, it's either really impressive or really ugly. Now go look at his production this year and you realize you can coach some ugly out of his play. He's a '5' right now but we can turn him into a '9.'" - AFC defensive coach

 

Here's hoping the unnamed AFC defensive coach is one of ours & he knows what he's talking about.

 

I don't think that's how our coaches talk, but if others believe he can be coached up, I bet our coaches think that too 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I think he projects as a milano type player 

[PIZ]

I can’t wait to see him play.....

 

 

 

 

[TigerJ]

As a college player, he was on the light side for a linebacker, though that seems not to be a huge factor for McDermott.  He's very athletic but his play in college was rather undisciplined.  The lack of discipline is probably why he wasn't a factor as a rookie.  He can certainly be coached up if he's got the right attitude, which is why I wouldn't write him off at this point.

[Juice_32]

25 minutes ago, SCBills said:

One of my best friends is a Gator fan.  I’ve seen him a bit and asked my buddy about him.  
 

He’s fast and hits like a truck.  He’ll put a highlight reel on tape in a single game.  He jumps off the screen.  
 

He’ll also completely go off script and gets out of position way too often.  Although, some of this is due to the freelancing component of the UF defense. 
 

 

Reminds me a lot of what Noles fans said of Bradham. 

[3rdand12]

7 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

As a college player, he was on the light side for a linebacker, though that seems not to be a huge factor for McDermott.  He's very athletic but his play in college was rather undisciplined.  The lack of discipline is probably why he wasn't a factor as a rookie.  He can certainly be coached up if he's got the right attitude, which is why I wouldn't write him off at this point.

I read as much. When he gets a bead on the plays he is top notch. But his lack of position discipline was the red flag on .
is he Coachable? Because he sure as heck is an athlete.
be interesting as heck to see where Bills think he fits.

 Can he play the coverage McD demands or is his a pass rusher and no more.
looking forward to this offseason into preseason and how some of these kids come along

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

I think it was an end run around the official rules type of deal

 

Since he actually had surgery, I'm thinking your thinking is mistaken

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/10/bills-lb-vosean-joseph-undergoes-surgery/

 

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

He's not injured?

 

He was either truly injured, a Dr performed unnecessary surgery, or the team is lying like a rug

Imma vote "injured"

[Don Otreply]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Since he actually had surgery, I'm thinking your thinking is mistaken

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/10/bills-lb-vosean-joseph-undergoes-surgery/

 

 

He was either truly injured, a Dr performed unnecessary surgery, or the team is lying like a rug

Imma vote "injured"

Yup, like I said up a few posts, I had not heard about his shoulder, just that they were “stashing” him on IR, live and learn... 

[Freddie's Dead]

Love the potential, was bummed he got IR'd.  

[LSHMEAB]

Big fan of Vosean Joseph. Just not sure where he fits. At 225, not so sure he couldn't be used as the big "DB" McDermott likes to use near the LOS.

 

Saw glimpses in the preseason. The guy has some real issues with on field discipline, but he's a playmaker. He'll be a contributor if he can "figure it out."

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

From his nfl.com draft profile:

 

"His tape has no middle ground, it's either really impressive or really ugly. Now go look at his production this year and you realize you can coach some ugly out of his play. He's a '5' right now but we can turn him into a '9.'" - AFC defensive coach

 

Here's hoping the unnamed AFC defensive coach is one of ours & he knows what he's talking about.

 

 

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

One of my best friends is a Gator fan.  I’ve seen him a bit and asked my buddy about him.  
 

He’s fast and hits like a truck.  He’ll put a highlight reel on tape in a single game.  He jumps off the screen.  
 

He’ll also completely go off script and gets out of position way too often.  Although, some of this is due to the freelancing component of the UF defense. 
 

 

I’m a fan of the Gators, seeing most of their games. His recklessness comes from the defensive scheme Florida uses, which is to allow their inside LBs the freedom to do as they see fit, given down, distance, tendencies & pre-set looks. I’m ‘glad’ he was “injured” in the last preseason game because I seriously doubted he’d be available for our PS and it was evident he wasn’t ready to make the ‘final 53’. He’ll have to jump off the screen next PS and I believe he will. Call him a sleeper to make the ‘20 team.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Since he actually had surgery, I'm thinking your thinking is mistaken

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/10/bills-lb-vosean-joseph-undergoes-surgery/

 

 

He was either truly injured, a Dr performed unnecessary surgery, or the team is lying like a rug

Imma vote "injured"

 

Yea he was definitely injured in that final pre-season game. 

[Solomon Grundy]

8 hours ago, PIZ said:

I can’t wait to see him play.....

 

 

 

 

Makes me wish that was him rushing Watson instead of Neal/Milano?

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Makes me wish that was him rushing Watson instead of Neal/Milano?

 

I love him as a blitzer. I actually think he might end up playing as a SAM linebacker but the Bills had him mainly as the MIKE in pre-season last year.

[TC in St. Louis]

I forgot about that guy.  He looks like he could be a crazy hard-hitting hybrid linebacker/safety/special teams player.  We also grabbed a safety from Miami, who may turn out to be a great one.  Jaquan Johnson, nearly had a pick in the playoff game.

 

They had a good draft....Ed, Cody, Singletary, Knox, Joseph, Johnson, Sweeney, and that other Johnson the DE.  Nobody got cut.

 

I'm looking forward to the offseason.

[dpberr]

Joseph, IMO, is an excellent athlete that has to learn the game of football to be successful in the NFL.  The coaching and his ability to pick the game up are the keys there.  

 

Milano and Edmunds are the opposite - they have the high football IQ and pair it with elite athleticism.  A lot of great linebacking is in the head.  

 

 

[Dadonkadonk]

He can't tackle. Should fit right in with the rest of our linebackers.

[eball]

15 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, like I said up a few posts, I had not heard about his shoulder, just that they were “stashing” him on IR, live and learn... 

 

Yeah, I think this kind of thing happens more often than you think.  Of course the player has to be on board, but if the Bills like him and vice-versa then keeping him on IR for a season (he's getting paid) is a good deal for both parties.  There does need to be a real injury, although the injury doesn't necessarily have to be one that would have kept him out all year.

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Yeah, I think this kind of thing happens more often than you think.  Of course the player has to be on board, but if the Bills like him and vice-versa then keeping him on IR for a season (he's getting paid) is a good deal for both parties.  There does need to be a real injury, although the injury doesn't necessarily have to be one that would have kept him out all year.

 

And that, as I understand it, is exactly what happened in this case. 

[starrymessenger]

I like Vosean, Jacquan and Siran as promising late round picks. Bills are pretty good at evaluating DBs, hybrid LBs. Partly why I doubt they break the bank for Poyer. Even if he is not ready to crack the lineup as a starter next year I'd be surprised if Vosean wasn't playing STms.

[ehfeuh57]

This guy was really good in college

 

plays reckless which is probably why he is injured, and that may happen again

 

overall I am excited about him

[Luka]

Being a Gators fan, if you think he needs to learn the game of football, you're out of your mind. He was playing the scheme given to him. My personal opinion of him is that he is a true middle linebacker if he puts on 10 pounds. He is a great downhill type of player but has the range to cover and play sideline to sideline. And unlike Edmunds, he has the body type to fill a gap, get his pads low and make the tackle. He was already making big plays in the backfield during preseason. Given that he's already had a year to learn the defense, I'd expect him to look very good in OTAs and training camp and push for at least the back up spot behind Edmunds. He only has to remain disciplined, something that is not required as much from the Gators defensive staff.