Tom brady not retiring according to himself

[Victory Formation]

He’ll likely sign with New England and they’ll spend their #1 on QB. Maybe they trade up and take Tua if he drops because of injury concerns.

[BillsFan4]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/06/nfl-wild-card-tom-brady-fmia-peter-king/

 

Interesting read. 

 

Kraft definitely wants Brady back, and if now he wants him to retire. 

 

I thought Brady wanted to come back after reading this quote -

 

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“First time in 20 years you’re truly a free man,” I said. “How do you feel about that right now?”

 

“Yeah,” said Brady. “I think I’m just . . . I’ll explore those opportunities whenever they are. If it’s the Patriots, great. If that doesn’t work, I don’t know. I just don’t know. I love playing football. I still want to play football. I think I still can play at a championship level. I’ve just got to go do it. I’m motivated to get back to work and training.”

 

But then I read this -

 

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In his office four hours before the game, owner Robert Kraft broke his silence on Brady’s future.

 

“Before the season started,” Kraft said, “it was very important to Tom that he be free to do whatever he wanted at the end of the year. You know what I said to myself? That any person who plays 20 years for this team and helps us get to nine Super Bowls, and been really selfless, has earned that right. I love the young man like he’s part of my family. Blood family. Anyone who’s done that has earned the right to control his future after 20 years. And you know, my hope and prayer is number one, he play for the Patriots. Or number two, he retires. He has the freedom to decide what he wants to do and what’s in his own best personal interest.”

 

 

I still think Brady most likely wants to be back in New England. But we will see soon enough.

 

Not as sure about Belichick though. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Franco_92]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

All this talk of "no help" for Tommy... give me a break!

 

He had the Boogeymen, HISTORIC defense! The greatest defense of all-time maybe, remember? 

 

He has Josh McDaniels, the OC everyone wants to interview, but not hire.

 

He has Belichick, perhaps the greatest HC of all time.

 

He had all the funny business that NE pulls.

 

And STILL he looked average at best, and worse many times.

 

 

 

 

I watched just about every Pats game this year, and none of this comes close to addressing what people actually mean when they say he had no help. He had skill players that made the Bills' look like the Chiefs' before they dumped Hunt. Watson played football like a 90 year old, and was by far their best TE. Edelman led the league in drops and was hurt all year, and double covered because they had no threat behind him. Dorsett is kinda dumb and was never on the same page as Tom - he was always the guy Brady was furious at for running incorrect routes and creating seemingly bad throws by not being in the right spot. Harry was hurt and he and Sanu are not the kind of WR brady needs. He doesn't care about guys who can improvise and win jump balls, he needs guys to run precise routes first and foremost, and that points to a type of receiver Harry and Sanu have never and will never be. The combination really helped to drag down Brady's production as the season wound to a close. 

That being said, he still put up solid to good numbers overall, and this is because, to my chagrin, he can still play well. He lost a bit of strength on deep and outside throws, but looked better than ever on a few outside shots just this past Saturday, and we know he's been dealing with elbow issues lately. The amount that he himself has personally declined is overstated here because Bills fans desperately want it to be true, and we've wanted it to be true for years. It's more true now than ever, and is happening, but is happening slower than is stated with abandon around here, and only accentuated by quite easily the worst collection of skill players he's ever had in NE (even the RBs - Michel forgot how to run this season, he was horrible. White was his usual receiver self, and was 2nd on the team in receiving). 

He is going to continue to hurt and decline, these injuries heal slower as he gets older, and he's only going to get weaker. But there is no doubt in my mind that the potential for him to stay, for Belichick to upgrade the skill positions, and for NE to again win the division and playoff games and even a SB, is still very real going into 2020. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

54 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

 

And Brady won an MVP in 2018 lol.. we're talking Manning 2015 and Brady 2020, they're not magically getting better. What about 2013.

I saw no strong evidence of Brady’s skills declining. It’s not like he lost arm strength or mobility or suffered a bad injury. He had nobody to throw the ball to. The better comp is to Manning leaving Indy in 2013.

[billsfan_34]

7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

While I agree with this, have we ever had a qb who had 4,000 yards and 24 tds as Brady declined too this year?

Great point- his declined numbers are still better than around 1/2 the league. Serviceable, yes- a huge threat, na.

[BeastMaster]

This is a win for all except possibly Brady and the Pats.

 

Best case scenario for him is he beats us like he always has but still doesn't have enough to win another superbowl. 

 

It's ho, hum...Brady beat the Bills again, big deal. If we beat them, then we send him out to pasture holding the L. 

 

I'll sign up for another crack at what I think is a guy on his last legs taking up way more cap space than he's worth. 

 

Maybe he doesn't get the last laugh and victory against us. Worth another shot

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I just came here to say ***** Tom Brady

You beat me to it, but just to make certain, Fuh K Tom Brady

[Bing Bong]

52 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I saw no strong evidence of Brady’s skills declining. It’s not like he lost arm strength or mobility or suffered a bad injury. He had nobody to throw the ball to. The better comp is to Manning leaving Indy in 2013.

Ooh I think he lost arm strength big time. But no worries. Agree to disagree. I have him as 2015 Manning at this point. Saw them get their last MVP award and have similar trajectories their last 2 years.

Edited January 8, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

17 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Ooh I think he lost arm strength big time. But no worries. Agree to disagree. I have him as 2015 Manning at this point. Saw them get their last MVP award and have similar trajectories their last 2 years.

Fair enough. I will be curious to see him next year with some weapons. Will be the true test. 

[Punching Bag]

Br*dy wants to stay in New England  - does XFL have a New England team?

[Bigmanbills88]

10 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Brady was already a shell of himself this year. We saw how that goes, Pats just arent that good with him at QB offensively. Didn't translate to wins for us against you guys for a few reasons. But I wont mind if he's playing for the Pats again next season, which I fully expect. He will never be the reason you guys beat us again, I am confident of that. 

Yet he threw for 4000 yards 24tds and 8int with literally nobody. There is a reason NE went after AB.

 I can argue in his 2nd game he was the reason they beat us. Dont be in denial. 

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

It’s over man. 
The Pats D isn’t in the same zip code as that Bronco team.

Brady is a cheater(fact, proven) and it’s poetic justice his last completion was a pick six. That’s the football gods speaking loud and clear. 

Yet the football gods gave his 6 rings,  75% winning % over 22.5 seasons worth of games.

Yep the football gods really instilled justice.

 

1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Ooh I think he lost arm strength big time. But no worries. Agree to disagree. I have him as 2015 Manning at this point. Saw them get their last MVP award and have similar trajectories their last 2 years.

His arm strength didnt diminish, he dealt witg an elbow issue. Infact his arm strength is better than brees. 

[Bigmanbills88]

1 hour ago, BeastMaster said:

This is a win for all except possibly Brady and the Pats.

 

Best case scenario for him is he beats us like he always has but still doesn't have enough to win another superbowl. 

 

It's ho, hum...Brady beat the Bills again, big deal. If we beat them, then we send him out to pasture holding the L. 

 

I'll sign up for another crack at what I think is a guy on his last legs taking up way more cap space than he's worth. 

 

Maybe he doesn't get the last laugh and victory against us. Worth another shot

Id take brady at 43 over allen all day everyday.  Most bills fans here in niagara falls hate greatness. They are jealous of the success, something this team has never had. The only good thing to come out of western ny was thr 2005 niagara falls hs basketball team and gronkowski. 

Oh and brett kern from grand island

[atlbillsfan1975]

39 minutes ago, Bigmanbills88 said:

Yet he threw for 4000 yards 24tds and 8int with literally nobody. There is a reason NE went after AB.

 I can argue in his 2nd game he was the reason they beat us. Dont be in denial. 

Yet the football gods gave his 6 rings,  75% winning % over 22.5 seasons worth of games.

Yep the football gods really instilled justice.

 

His arm strength didnt diminish, he dealt witg an elbow issue. Infact his arm strength is better than brees. 

It’s all going to come out one day and the rings will forever be tainted. They already are. 

[Iron Maiden]

11 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I want him out of the division. I never want to see him again, let alone twice each year. 

This !!.....Brady is 30 and 3 vs the Bills........getting to 30 and 5 doesn't move the needle enough in my book to justify him staying in the AFC East.....I'm happy if the Bills never have to face Brady again...ever ....

[Success]

5 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

This !!.....Brady is 30 and 3 vs the Bills........getting to 30 and 5 doesn't move the needle enough in my book to justify him staying in the AFC East.....I'm happy if the Bills never have to face Brady again...ever ....

How about 30-7?

 

Heck, maybe even 30-8 if NE makes a last run to the playoffs as a WC....

 

[Iron Maiden]

22 minutes ago, Success said:

How about 30-7?

 

Heck, maybe even 30-8 if NE makes a last run to the playoffs as a WC....

 

Still...that ship has sailed for me....you won...now, just go away Tom.....

[Bigmanbills88]

44 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

It’s all going to come out one day and the rings will forever be tainted. They already are. 

Unfortunately for you they are not tainted, and their are no asteriks.

 

[egd]

7 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

Peyton was 8-4 against the Bills not nearly as bad as Brady's 31-3 record.  I have a feeling we would have beat Peyton a fair amount of the time had the Colts remained in our division.  He didn't play for a cheating organization.  

 

He is actually 32-3 vs. us:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/splits/.

Edited January 9, 2020 by egd

[egd]

54 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

This !!.....Brady is 30 and 3 vs the Bills........getting to 30 and 5 doesn't move the needle enough in my book to justify him staying in the AFC East.....I'm happy if the Bills never have to face Brady again...ever ....

 

32-3 actually.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Ooh I think he lost arm strength big time. But no worries. Agree to disagree. I have him as 2015 Manning at this point. Saw them get their last MVP award and have similar trajectories their last 2 years.

 

 

Looks like 2019 Aaron Rodgers actually.

 

Anyway, where else but NE would he go?  What would be the point?  His best chance to "go out on top" is where he is.  

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Brady was already a shell of himself this year. We saw how that goes, Pats just arent that good with him at QB offensively. Didn't translate to wins for us against you guys for a few reasons. But I wont mind if he's playing for the Pats again next season, which I fully expect. He will never be the reason you guys beat us again, I am confident of that. 

 

 

I wish I was as confident as you. Brady certainly has gone downhill but a lot of the offense's problems weren't on him, IMO.

 

 

5 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Manning was garbage that year with the Broncos winning in spite of him. So yes I'll wish Brady likewise brings his team down a notch.

And Brady won an MVP in 2018 lol.. we're talking Manning 2015 and Brady 2020, they're not magically getting better. What about 2013.

 

 

Just not true. Peyton had three game-winning drives and three 4th quarter comebacks that year. In nine games, seven of which were wins.

 

Yeah, the defense was the main reason that team was good, and yeah, his arm wasn't close to what it had been.

 

But they don't win that title without him there, they just don't. He rode his smarts, game sense and he maximized what physical gifts he still had.  Compare his winning percentage with Osweiler's the same year and his point scored as well, and Osweiler played a significantly easier group of games than Peyton did.

 

Again, they don't win that Super Bowl without him.

 

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by Thurman#1

[stuvian]

As much as I hate all things New England, he seems to want to prove himself outside of the Patriots shadow. As a man, I respect that

[BuffaloHokie13]

22 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Be careful what you wish for.. Manning was a shell of his former self his last year... the Broncos still won the SB.  Just because someone has lost a step doesn’t mean when healthy he still isn’t better than most others in the game.

Little off topic, but do you think you're going to bring back all 3 LBs, weapons for Brady, and Brady? I'm interested in poaching any of the linebackers lol.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Interesting read. 

 

Kraft definitely wants Brady back, and if now he wants him to retire. 

 

I thought Brady wanted to come back after reading this quote -

 

As I stated in another thread .. [Brady's Fate in the hands of ... ] 

 

Kraft wants Brady to return to NE or retire. 

Belicheat says its "a group decision" and not his alone to make. 

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

Enjoy plugging your own thread??

[TheFunPolice]

If Brady is still as good as ever, how come Belichick switched up to a power running offense late last season when they still had Gronk and Edelman was healthy, and when he was a year younger than he is now? They were struggling then too, but rode the defense and run game to a Super Bowl win by a score of 13-3 in a game that was 3-0 to start the 4th quarter. 

 

The struggles continued this year and only got worse as the season wore on, which is predictable. 42 year old players suffer more from nagging injuries than they did when they were young. 43 year old players moreso. 

 

And Brady flat out missed throws all season. He's started to throw more pick 6's due to a lack of the same accuracy and arm strength. 2 weeks in a row at home with a pick 6, and should have been 2 on Saturday. He threw an easy pick 6 that Logan Ryan flat out dropped before halftime on Saturday. Ryan later got another one once the game was basically over anyway. 

 

I was a little shocked at how Romo said Brady's deep pass to (I think Harry) that was about 3 yards behind  both the WR and DB and pretty much out of bounds anyway was a "great throw" that showed he still had the arm strength. I'm seeing Brady flat out miss guys he used to hit.

 

Now, that said, Brady can still make some nice throws and have some very good games. But the consistency is not there, as is to be expected with an older QB. That will not improve, nor will the hits hurt less next season. 

 

If he comes back it will not go well (by their standards), so I hope it happens with NE and they lose some defensive players to free agency as a result. 

 

I could see Brady coming back to NE, them signing some offensive players, and them going 9-7 or 10-6 with Brady looking like the 12-15th best QB in the league.

 

They could win some games, but they won't scare anyone anymore. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[PatsFanNH]

3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Little off topic, but do you think you're going to bring back all 3 LBs, weapons for Brady, and Brady? I'm interested in poaching any of the linebackers lol.

No, I think Van Noy comes back but will have to be paid but Collins is gone he is a pure mercenary player he came back just to raise his stock again. (Buyer beware)

 

weapons for Brady? They need to TRADE for a reliable TE and perhaps sign Sanders in FA.

 

I think Brady comes back but they draft his replacement this year... I see Tua (in the mocks) falling to after then so I say they pick him up and let him heal and watch behind Brady.

[YoloinOhio]

He will be back but without McDaniels. Given belichick‘s disdain for hiring from the outside, who will be coordinating the offense and calling the plays? Chad O’Shea who just got fired from the Dolphins? Could go with Kevin O’Connell who was not retained by Rivera, but word is he is headed to Cleveland with McDaniels 

Edited January 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[starrymessenger]

I'm a little surprised he still wants to play. Maybe just me but seeing him come off the field after the Titans game he looked broken. Don't think to have ever seen that before. Usually after a loss he looks angry or sports a disgruntled poor loser face.  

Contrary to what he says I don't think he has anything more to prove. Unless of course he's dreaming of becoming the difference maker on an otherwise talented O lacking a good QB and wins another Super Bowl. Then he can tell the naysayers what for. I'd love for him to go to Cleveland for no other reason than to see Baker wearing a suicide vest as he rides the pine and watch the Browns likely comically implode yet again.

My guess is that if NE commits to finding him some playmakers he will back down on his decision to not give the hometown discount and will remain with the team. With that defence and better talent on offence, a Pats team with Brady under centre would still be pretty good. If the Pats don't cooperate, his refusal to take the discount allows him to drive a harder bargain with a FA suitor.

I think Tom's pretty much done and should retire before he embarrasses himself. Right now he's a good mid-level starting QB and really nothing more. And most of that comes from his experience and knowledge of the (only) offence he can reasonably be expected to operate. Truth is the guy is diminished in terms of his  physical skills. He has always been limited in terms of schemes he's capable of executing. 

 

[KGun12TD]

I hope this POS crawls into the inferno to pay his debt!

[Bing Bong]

16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Looks like 2019 Aaron Rodgers actually.

 

Anyway, where else but NE would he go?  What would be the point?  His best chance to "go out on top" is where he is.  

Yeah I figure he stays. Makes sense to both sides. Only snag is maybe the bigger contract he claims he's asking for. But he has the Patriots by the balls so I don't see him leaving

[Mr. WEO]

35 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Yeah I figure he stays. Makes sense to both sides. Only snag is maybe the bigger contract he claims he's asking for. But he has the Patriots by the balls so I don't see him leaving

 

In the NFL, it's only about payment for past performance.

 

3 SB's, 2 SB wins in the past 4 years (at a discount)--that should be pretty much worth whatever amount Brady can write on a piece of paper for the next 2 years.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

In the NFL, it's only about payment for past performance.

 

3 SB's, 2 SB wins in the past 4 years (at a discount)--that should be pretty much worth whatever amount Brady can write on a piece of paper for the next 2 years.

Agreed! Also his demise is being way overblown (IMO) when he had a clean pocket (per PFF NEPatriots) he had a 96.5 passer rating on passes 20+ yards down the field.. only Watson had a better number at 96.9.. he also led the league in throw aways with 40 and 5th in drop passes with 23.  So while yes he declined a bit it was more on an injured O line and not having any really good skill WR. 

[Doc Brown]

Whenever the time comes it will be nice not having to face him twice a year.  I think he wants to play until he's 45 to prove the TB12 system works.  It would be fun to see Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers switch teams.

[TheFunPolice]

I think that he is still great, and as the GOAT should be paid top QB $$ by NE for the next 3 seasons.

 

Anything less than a 3 year, $100 million contract from NE is a slap in the face! If Mahomes is getting 40 million per season, Brady needs at LEAST 30. 

 

I hope Kraft goes to $35 as a bit of a "financial apology"

Edited January 9, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[frostbitmic]

On 1/8/2020 at 4:13 PM, PatsFanNH said:

Also take into consideration the Pats were:

 

5th in dropped passes with 23 (unheard of for them)

Brady led the league in throw aways at 40.

 

while yes he declined his stats suffered a lot from this.. they get more sure handed receivers who can get open he be fine.. and I am all for staying with a good power running game.

 

 

Properly inflated footballs are more difficult to catch on cold days

[Punching Bag]

20 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

Just not true. Peyton had three game-winning drives and three 4th quarter comebacks that year. In nine games, seven of which were wins.

 

Yeah, the defense was the main reason that team was good, and yeah, his arm wasn't close to what it had been.

 

But they don't win that title without him there, they just don't. He rode his smarts, game sense and he maximized what physical gifts he still had.  Compare his winning percentage with Osweiler's the same year and his point scored as well, and Osweiler played a significantly easier group of games than Peyton did.

 

Again, they don't win that Super Bowl without him.

 

Peyton multiple times caused defenders to jump off-sides with his voice alone.   

It has become commonplace to dismiss what he did in the Superbowl year.

[PatsFanNH]

37 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Properly inflated footballs are more difficult to catch on cold days

Ok that’s why he lit up the Colts the second half of they game. Lol

[buffaloboyinATL]

11 hours ago, stuvian said:

As much as I hate all things New England, he seems to want to prove himself outside of the Patriots shadow. As a man, I respect that

A) He hasn’t done it yet, so reserve your respect until warranted 

B) Unless he goes somewhere with a top 5 Offensive Line, he will likely fail at proving anything other than he’s getting old. 

[YoloinOhio]

Buffalo accent still going strong