Rumor: Brady won’t give Patriots hometown discount as he did in the past

[TheFunPolice]

Brady wants to go have fun with AB a more "fun" HC  and a better supporting cast for a couple years 

 

He has 6 rings do now he wants to play somewhere else where he is not hated 

 

That's my prediction

[keepthefaith]

58 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Man, I would love to sign Brady to a 3 year deal...

 

As the team hairdresser, absolutely. 

[TheFunPolice]

If he goes back to NE he will struggle to make the wildcard

 

If he goes to the Chargers he will be injured by week 12

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, syhuang said:

NFL Rumors: Tom Brady Won’t Take Hometown Discount To Stay With Patriots

 

“Well, here’s the thing: First of all, does he go back to the New England Patriots? He’s an unrestricted free agent and the Patriots cannot franchise him,” Glazer said. “I’m told if he does go back to the Patriots, he doesn’t want to do the same hometown discount he’s done in the past. So then you also look at other options out there. Certainly a team he’d help with their fan base, but there’s been talks about him going somewhere with Josh McDaniels. There’s only four openings, only one without a quarterback. That’s the Carolina Panthers. I just don’t see that happening. I think he fits better in, obviously, with the Patriots, but then it comes down to money.”

 

 

I mean realistically what is he worth right now?  He had his worst season and it reasons that when he is another year older, his abilities will decline even more than they already have and he will be worse next year.  Teams are paying for what he can do for them in the future not for what he has done in the past. The only team that might overpay for him based on what he has already done is the Patriots since he has such a long and decorated history with them.

Edited January 6, 2020 by matter2003

[jrober38]

I think Brady leaves. 

 

The Chargers seem like the most logical destination. They desperately need to sell tickets, the team already has some pieces including an elite slot guy and excellent tight end in Keenan Allen and Hunter Henry, they have a very good running game and some pieces on defense. It seems like a much better situation than New England.

 

Other destinations could include Miami or Tampa. Both seem like good situations for him to walk into. 

[Chris66]

Just now, jrober38 said:

I think Brady leaves. 

 

The Chargers seem like the most logical destination. They desperately need to sell tickets, the team already has some pieces including an elite slot guy and excellent tight end in Keenan Allen and Hunter Henry, they have a very good running game and some pieces on defense. It seems like a much better situation than New England.

 

Other destinations could include Miami or Tampa. Both seem like good situations for him to walk into. 

Miami I could see. Only a few hours flight to nyc. His new home is in Conn. the only thing with that is gailey's offense doesnt fit with his current skill set.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Miami I could see. Only a few hours flight to nyc. His new home is in Conn. the only thing with that is gailey's offense doesnt fit with his current skill set.

 

I think Gailey is experienced enough to adapt.

 

They have tons of picks and tons of cap space. 

 

They could put a really good team around Brady for 2 years and still let a 1st round rookie learn on the bench for two seasons. 

[Bing Bong]

A hometown discount from what he's worth would be like vet minimum. 

 

Cause he ain't worth much more

[May Day 10]

He is going to work kraft over.

 

Belichick is going to take his ball and go to the giants

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

He has some. There is no heir apparent and they pick in the low 20’s. 

 

I probably pony up for one more year if I am the Pats, and do whatever it takes to get near the top of the draft this year. 

 

they sign Bridgewater in FA and torture us for another 20 years 

[BigBillsFan]

Let's see how he is without the cheating. He and Bellicheat shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL ever again. It's an embarrassment.

[Wayne Arnold]

20 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

I think Brady leaves. 

 

The Chargers seem like the most logical destination. They desperately need to sell tickets, the team already has some pieces including an elite slot guy and excellent tight end in Keenan Allen and Hunter Henry, they have a very good running game and some pieces on defense. It seems like a much better situation than New England.

 

Other destinations could include Miami or Tampa. Both seem like good situations for him to walk into. 

 

Brady's not going anywhere.

 

Mr. Happy Ending will give him another offer he can't refuse under the table. I'm guessing a two-year contract.

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I’m not sure if he’ll be worth whatever he got last year. He’s not worth paying like the top QB’s anymore. He missed his window for asking for top dollar, but I’m shedding no tears for him. 

You are totally correct Augs! His big paydays are over. He isn’t a franchise QB anymore and you cannot build around him. Brady has limitations and they will continue descending. His best option, if the Pats want is stay on a yearly prove it basis at 8 mil tops. If not I sense he wouldnt get more than that anywhere else.

[BillsFanSD]

46 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

If NE has to pay him the going rate of 25-30 million they are going to have to let other guys walk.

 

 

That's not the going rate for a QB of Brady's age and ability.  It would not surprise me if Brady and the Patriots took a hard look around the league and decided that it was in both of their best interests to agree to a couple more years at a salary far lower than that.  I honestly don't think there's a market for Brady outside of Boston.

21 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think Gailey is experienced enough to adapt.

 

They have tons of picks and tons of cap space. 

 

They could put a really good team around Brady for 2 years and still let a 1st round rookie learn on the bench for two seasons. 

If you're Tom Brady, why do you sign with a dumpster fire like Miami instead of just retiring?

[ThurmasThoman]

16 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

He is going to work kraft over.

 

Belichick is going to take his ball and go to the giants

I've heard this a few times over the weekend.

All's quiet on the Giant front with their coaching search.

It really adds up.

What does Jones know? What's he waiting for?
It's all so intriguing. I'm fine with an exodus of Patriot talent from the AFC East.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How does a Belicheck***** team go 1-15?

play the Bills 15 times.

[Chris66]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

I've heard this a few times over the weekend.

All's quiet on the Giant front with their coaching search.

It really adds up.

What does Jones know? What's he waiting for?
It's all so intriguing. I'm fine with an exodus of Patriot talent from the AFC East.

Gettleman would have to get the boot.

2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

play the Bills 15 times.

That would be 14-1

Edited January 6, 2020 by Chris66

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

5 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Gettleman would have to get the boot.

That would be 14-1

the tables are turning in 2020... we will reverse the curse

[Da webster guy]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

So your saying they stopped paying him under the table now. 

 

Exactly.  He never took a hometown discount, the scheme he and Kraft cooked up with the TB12 crap gets him compensated off the books so they have more cap space. 

 

 Frankly, I don't care if he retires or not, he's lost his abilities.  They have either bent or broken the rules over and over again but even the Cheatriots can't dupe father time.

 

Ending his career on a pick six is beautiful.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Flip Johnson said:

There is a lot to consider:

 

- Kraft's willingness to part with Brady, who is like a son to him.

- Belichick's willingness to preside over a rebuild with Stidham or some other young QB.

- The team's internal belief about Stidham.

- Whether McDaniels gets a HC job - he is probably the first domino to drop since he'll be interviewing this week.

- Brady's pride - would he take a discount?

- The plausibility of resigning Brady at a $$ amount he is happy with as well as completely retooling the skill players on offense, along with a new offensive coordinator. They have nothing right now.

 

So what has happened since McDaniels jilted the Colts at the last minute?

 

At the time, the rumors I heard was that he had been given a timeline and a promise to take over the Patriots when Belicheck retired

[Chris66]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So what has happened since McDaniels jilted the Colts at the last minute?

 

At the time, the rumors I heard was that he had been given a timeline and a promise to take over the Patriots when Belicheck retired

My guess is Bellichick isnt retiring anytime soon.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

My guess is Bellichick isnt retiring anytime soon.

 

So what was McDaniels motivation for jilting the Colts at the last minute then? 

And why is his behavior towards the Colts being so conveniently overlooked by teams seeking new head coaches this year?

 

It would only be poetic justice if McDaniels screwed the Colts on the promise of a regime change he’s now being jilted of himself

 

1 hour ago, 32ABBA said:

There's no way Belichick would agree to tank. NO WAY. And there is no reason they cannot be pretty damn good with another QB.

 

Exactly.  What was their record with Matt Cassel?

[jrober38]

35 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Brady's not going anywhere.

 

Mr. Happy Ending will give him another offer he can't refuse under the table. I'm guessing a two-year contract.

 

I think the notion he's getting paid under the table is silly.

 

His wife is worth $350 mil. 

 

Brady has never needed the money, which is why he's never pursued getting paid market value. 

35 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

If you're Tom Brady, why do you sign with a dumpster fire like Miami instead of just retiring?

 

I don't at all consider Miami a dumpster fire.

 

I think they're going to be really good in two years. 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think the notion he's getting paid under the table is silly.

 

His wife is worth $350 mil. 

 

Brady has never needed the money, which is why he's never pursued getting paid market value. 

 

jrober - you're smarter than that. Rich people never have enough. Multi-millionaires want to be billionaires. 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

jrober - you're smarter than that. Rich people never have enough. Multi-millionaires want to be billionaires. 

 

Brady is never going to become a billionaire playing football.

 

An extra $10-15 mil a year, subject to taxes in Massachusetts isn't going to move the needle anywhere close to enough. 

 

Brady is the ultimate competitor. For years he's taken less with the hope that the Pats would have a competitive advantage over their competition, and for the most part it has worked brilliantly. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by jrober38

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So what was McDaniels motivation for jilting the Colts at the last minute then? 

And why is his behavior towards the Colts being so conveniently overlooked by teams seeking new head coaches this year?

 

It would only be poetic justice if McDaniels screwed the Colts on the promise of a regime change he’s now being jilted of himself

 

 

Exactly.  What was their record with Matt Cassel?

I think McDaniels got scared of Luck's injury status. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

He’s not good anymore. Any team signing him is using it as a publicity stunt to sell tickets. 
Tom will only get worse not better. He should leave the game now. Coming back to try and erase a pick six as being your last TD, is like a gambler chasing one bad bet after another to break even. 
NE is done. 
Belichick could and should leave NE, and go coach Cleveland. Finish off where he started. 

[BillsFan4]

I think Brady wants to win too much to just go to free agency and take the biggest deal he can find. 

 

I don’t see many teams that could be contenders next year, with a bunch of cap space and a need at QB. 

 

Maybe Tennessee? Brady and Vrabel are good friends. Titans have a good defense, good o-line and some skill on offense. But will they want to dump Tannehill? For Brady, I would. But who knows. 

 

Maybe Dallas if they decided to dump Dak, but that seems somewhat short sighted. With Jerry though, who knows. Dallas probably has enough talent to win a SB with a good enough coach.

 

Maybe Indy? 

 

Who else? Are the Chargers legit SB contenders with Brady? I could definitely see them having interest, but I don’t know if Brady would view them as a contender. 

 

From an athletic article:

https://theathletic.com/1510849/2020/01/05/tom-brady-future-patriots/

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Twelve teams have enough uncertainty at the quarterback position and the necessary cap space that Brady could be an attractive option: Miami ($98 million in projected cap space), Cincinnati ($55 million), Tennessee ($48 million), Indianapolis ($93 million), Denver ($65 million), Oakland/Las Vegas ($68 million), the Los Angeles Chargers ($56 million), Dallas ($86 million), Washington ($47 million), Chicago ($18 million), Tampa Bay ($88 million) and Carolina ($31 million).

 

Even if you rule out the Bengals (who may use the No. 1 pick on Joe Burrow), Broncos (Drew Lock), Titans (Ryan Tannehill), Raiders (Derek Carr), Cowboys (Dak Prescott could re-sign), Redskins (Dwayne Haskins) and Bears (cap gymnastics), that leaves five teams to set Brady’s market with a bidding war. And the Dolphins, Colts and Buccaneers have enough cap space to pay Brady in Monopoly money.

 

I cant see Brady going to Miami, Cincy, Denver (they’re sticking with lock anyway), Oakland or Tampa. Probably not Carolina either. 

 

There could be some surprise teams with interest though. Imagine the publicity boost to your team if you landed atom Brady in free agency... 

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Meanwhile, the Patriots have $49 million in projected cap space. While that’s plenty to handle Brady, it’s only 18th-most in the NFL. Plus, the Pats’ other free agents include Devin McCourty, Kyle Van Noy, Jamie Collins, Joe Thuney, Ted Karras and Matthew Slater. They also don’t have a second-round pick to replenish a loss.

 

What I think it’ll all come down to: 

 

Does Belichick feel he has a better chance to win by spreading out the money that would be spent on Brady and going with Stidham? Or does he view paying Brady as his best chance? 

 

And will Brady decide he’s best off taking s little less to stay in New England? I can’t see Brady’s decision being driven by money alone. He’s too fierce a competitor to go to a rebuilding team just for 1 last pay day. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Prickly Pete]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

Exactly.  What was their record with Matt Cassel?

 

 

The guy that brought up Dalton, got me to consider that it won't be too difficult to find another QB that can play as well as Brady did this past season. And Belichick could take Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton-type  guys to another level. I wonder if he would consider Cam Newton or Jameis Winston, both of them may be available. 

 

As long as Belichick is there, they will be good. Maybe not dominant, but good.

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2020 by 32ABBA

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Lol imagine if the Bills gave him 30 mil for 2 years to try and win a super bowl with this defense and let Allen watch and learn?

 

Pats defense was just as good if not better and it didn't help much there.  Brady and Allen are so dissimilar, not sure there'd be much to learn.  Plus Brady would probably insist they trade Allen as doesn't want him looking over his shoulder.

[Prickly Pete]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Pats defense was just as good if not better and it didn't help much there.  Brady and Allen are so dissimilar, not sure there'd be much to learn.  Plus Brady would probably insist they trade Allen as doesn't want him looking over his shoulder.

 

It's not worthy of a response.

[May Day 10]

Its not a need the money thing or greed.  I bet its a personal pride issue.  He probably feels undervalued and taken a bit advantage of.

 

He wants a few years committment at a price that he would likely get on the open market.  

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

They can sign Dalton and not miss a beat.

There are some others that may become available also.  Bridgewater, Winston, Mariota, Foles, or Alex Smith just to name a few.

[1ManRaid]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

He has no leverage. 

I thought I had read something about a $13.5m dead cap hit if he's not on the roster?

2 hours ago, Chris66 said:

My understanding it will probably just be a cash fine or a very low round pick.

So a much lower penalty for being a repeat offender?

[Gordio]

11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’m not saying it’s a good idea. It was a joke. But if your asking me who would give us a better chance to win: Brady current day, even in a severe decline or Josh Allen? I’m not even going to answer. The guy is literally the greatest QB in NFL history and even in his “down year” threw for more yards then any Bills QB did in their prime. With no WRs. He’s way, way past his great years and probably just about done. (And I was just playing around anyway) But a motivated Brady next year will still be very dangerous. Hopefully he finally leaves the division.

 

 

You guys are funny.  You think Brady could play forever.  Did you watch the game Saturday Night.  He can't make throws anymore.  Sure he could do screen passes & the crossing patterns over the middle.  One play stuck out to me Saturday & it was actually a completion by him.  The pocket was shifting to the left he rolled out & threw a pass across his body over the middle.  It was a bout a 20 yard pass.   Nothing great, the guy was wide open but the ball literally took 6 or 7 seconds to get there.  It had nothing on it.  

 

This is how it is going to go down.  BB is going to have a long conversation with Kraft in the upcoming weeks & he is going to tell him he can not win with Brady anymore.  That Brady is done & it would be insane to give this guy 20-25 mil it is going to take to sign him  for another year.  Whether Kraft listens to him or not is another story, I think this time he listens to him though.  

 

There are a ton of good FA QBs out there this year.  Don't be surprised if they make a run on a guy like Bridgewater & then draft a QB.  They also have that Stidham, I liked him at Auburn. I am not sure how they feel about him.  

 

Brady should get out, it is going to end bad for him.  Some team will be making a horrible mistake if they sign him.  I keep hearing the Chargers but are they really a better team with Brady then Rivers.  If anything I think that is a wash at this point of their careers.  

[Punching Bag]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:54 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

It’s over. Pats are done. So you are telling me Belichick is going to win just one game? Ha. Belichick is next. 

 

They won games when Br*dy was suspended for having a designated phone breaker.

They won games when Br*dy had a boo boo.

 

The director of spying still works for them and if they are not intentionally tanking they will win some games.

On 1/5/2020 at 7:58 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Please explain in detail where your understanding comes from?

 

Probably one of P*ts boards he was kicked off - why else would he be here?

[IDBillzFan]

12 hours ago, Gordio said:

You guys are funny.  You think Brady could play forever.  Did you watch the game Saturday Night.  He can't make throws anymore. 

 

At some point people have to accept that fact that he simply is not near the QB everyone thinks he should be. You didn't even need to watch the game Saturday. Did you see his pick-six against Miami? It was so bad they attributed it to EJ Manuel. The minute he hears footsteps, he intentionally grounds the ball. 

 

12 hours ago, Gordio said:

I keep hearing the Chargers but are they really a better team with Brady then Rivers.  If anything I think that is a wash at this point of their careers.  

 

A new stadium isn't going to get filled without a full season of winning under its belt, regardless of who plays there. Brady is too much of a diva to go to a place where three losses will have him playing home games filled with visiting fans...just like we've been watching all year with the Chargers. And he's no upgrade over Rivers with that OL.

[HOUSE]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:58 PM, Putin said:

The only logical place imo is the chargers 

 

LV Raiders

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

Indy