Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 If I had to pick a unit on this team to blame this loss on it’s definitely the O-Line. Allen barely had enough time to take two steps before he felt pressure. Allen also has to improve his field vision and awareness, as of right now he is horrid. When a team brings pressure and has Allen’s hot read covered he is dead if he doesn’t make a play with his legs. If Allen keeps playing this style of game I can see him missing around 3 games a year to injury. If a QB drops to the Bills in this draft and he’s BPA they better pull the trigger because Barkley sucks. The offensive talent on this team is very bad. Maybe Daboll is running aggressive play calling in the beginning of game knowing that they cannot be sustained. We have nobody on this offense that demands a double team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said: If I had to pick a unit on this team to blame this loss on it’s definitely the O-Line. Allen barely had enough time to take two steps before he felt pressure. Allen also has to improve his field vision and awareness, as of right now he is horrid. When a team brings pressure and has Allen’s hot read covered he is dead if he doesn’t make a play with his legs. If Allen keeps playing this style of game I can see him missing around 3 games a year to injury. If a QB drops to the Bills in this draft and he’s BPA they better pull the trigger because Barkley sucks. The offensive talent on this team is very bad. Maybe Daboll is running aggressive play calling in the beginning of game knowing that they cannot be sustained. We have nobody on this offense that demands a double team. The OL dominated in the first half and held up OK for most of the second despite the Bills throwing it virtually all the time. By comparison, Houston's OL got manhandled and Watson was still spectacular. I don' think the OL is the main culprit here. If you think you're going to sit back in all clean pockets in the playoffs, on the road, then you have unrealistic expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, billsfan714 said: If you are sports reporter and you are asking a guy about not playing who played.....well you need to find another line of work. Reading the daily news here in nyc, they kept saying that Josh Rosen was having a pretty good season. That’s so embarrassing to me that you can’t get the starting QB of a team you’re highlighting right? Especially since it goes through proof reading and an editor. Reporting has become very lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, egd said: A good athlete learns from his mistakes after losing a game and quickly clears his mind. Dwelling on a game does no good. No, a good athlete is not happy with a loss and goes back to the grind stone doing what it takes to get better. Josh has a the drive you want in a young QB. He's not happy with how it turned out and he is going to do everything in his power to get better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. Oh....so who is your favorite team. It cant be the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, vincec said: The OL dominated in the first half and held up OK for most of the second despite the Bills throwing it virtually all the time. By comparison, Houston's OL got manhandled and Watson was still spectacular. I don' think the OL is the main culprit here. If you think you're going to sit back in all clean pockets in the playoffs, on the road, then you have unrealistic expectations. I agree, Allen ultimately needs to start making teams pay for bringing pressure with the blitz. The O-Line was solid in the 1st half but I thought they played very bad down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I think they will get curb stomped by the chiefs They did beat the chiefs at arrowhead this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You can take his 69.5 QBR from yesterday and stare at his poster on your wall. I prefer Watson's 121.2 The kid sucks. Watson definitely outperformed Allen the past 2 seasons. Any rationale football fan could agree with that. You could just say that but you choose to frame it with a WWE smack down description of "The kid sucks". Bravo Barry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I always heard from some nfl personnel guys i know that as a QB “ you are what you are by year 3”. I don’t know if that’s the magic # or not. But I don’t think it’s less than that. He may be the exception, but didnt Drew Brees suck his first 3 years and then turn it on his 4th or 5th year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 41 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There were a few plays the OL let Allen down. Typically this season vs 4 or less they did a good job. I'm not exactly sure why they were confused at times. When lineman are confused it's typically because they're in the wrong protection. Josh Allen has final say on all protection calls. I'm not saying Josh Allen put his line in poor position on plays but it's likely. Cody Ford simply got beat on a couple. Although your first year QB can and does call out protections, the center also plays a big role. That is why they spent big money on a veteran like Mitch so he could shoulder more of that responsibility. Not sure why they struggle as much as they do at times with 3 and 4 man rushes. It is something NE employs a lot of dropping all those guys into coverage confident that Allen will hold the ball longer, and their few rushers can still generate pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. Next game is 8 months away 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Watson definitely outperformed Allen the past 2 seasons. Any rationale football fan could agree with that. You could just say that but you choose to frame it with a WWE smack down description of "The kid sucks". Bravo Barry! And it’s also worth pointing out that between Clemson and the NFL Watson has been playing against high quality opponents and with high quality teammates 5-6 years longer than Josh Allen has. Give the kid a chance—I like his trajectory so far, considering how raw he was coming out of college. Edited January 5, 2020 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: Its past time to clean up these lockers anyway 768 Do I see a couple doobies in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, MattM said: And it’s also worth pointing out that between Clemson and the NFL Watson has been playing against high quality opponents and with high quality teammates 5-6 years longer than Josh Allen has. Give the kid a chance—I like his trajectory so far, considering how raw he was coming out of college. Like I said in another thread today, I probably make some "excuses" for Josh at times but one thing I do believe is that he did start his NFL career "behind the curve" so to speak. It's hard for some fans to accept the fact that he is a "project" QB and being one it takes a year or two more to get to the position of enough growth to show what he can (or cannot for that matter) do. I got no problem with Beane and McDermott giving him the whole 4 years to show it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s one opinion. I think he’s smart enough to compartmentalize in his mind and maintain an edge from losing a tough game, AND continue to improve. Plus, Even if that were a fact, the kid is like 18 hours removed from the game. It’s raw and there is emotion. He may be able to put it behind him sooner than he thinks but right now he’s still processing everything Not to mention, given how good he’s been at giving diplomatic answers and being cognizant of the optics of his pressers, imagine the absolute regional melt down if he answered he was over it already? Or that he was confident he could put it behind him quickly? Don’t you want your leader to say he’ll keep this churning in his mind to fuel the competitive fire and learn / mature through it?? Give me a guy who can do what he does physically, demonstrate a profound ability to improve over one season and a fundamental commitment to keep improving knowing he can, any day of the week - all day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Oh....so who is your favorite team. It cant be the Bills. You ask @MAJBobby. He is a Patriots troll in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, egd said: You ask @MAJBobby. He is a Patriots troll in disguise. ahhh poor little person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: ahhh poor little person. Upset that I outed you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: ahhh poor little person. Why did you get dragged into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, egd said: Upset that I outed you? upset that people really are so lacking any type of knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. wow, and if you ever become an NFL QB you will have that part of the game mastered. Edited January 5, 2020 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, vincec said: The OL dominated in the first half and held up OK for most of the second despite the Bills throwing it virtually all the time. By comparison, Houston's OL got manhandled and Watson was still spectacular. I don' think the OL is the main culprit here. If you think you're going to sit back in all clean pockets in the playoffs, on the road, then you have unrealistic expectations. I could not possibly disagree with this more. The blocking was the main problem in the second half. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. Congratulations, you now have the distinguished honor of TBD Troll of the week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. It is one thing to put a regular season game behind you in order to focus on next week. A playoff game is a different animal. When it comes time to play next season, the Bills will focus on one game at a time like they did this season, but using a playoff loss to drive your off season work a little harder is not a bad thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: You can take his 69.5 QBR from yesterday and stare at his poster on your wall. I prefer Watson's 121.2 The kid sucks. Go root for another team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. You're a troll. You come here with a holier-than-thou "Don't get emotionally invested in a game" speech... In the very place you could expect to find the highest concentration of diehard fans. Low-class move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. You should probably just stop watching games, you surely are not a fan anyways Edited January 5, 2020 by Gunsgoodtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: It's tough to say. It's possible that McD is more conservative than he'd like to be because he doesn't fully trust Allen. Or maybe he's just conservative and it's impeding Allen's progress. I'm personally impressed with McD's track record in terms of maximizing win totals. That's how I judge HC's. Maybe he's not a "champion." Didn't coach like a champion yesterday. But I'm not ready to throw him under the bus and he gets a slight pass given his playoff QB's were Tyrod(good guy, very average QB) and a young JA(good kid, very shaky at times.) We shall see. darned good post all of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, egd said: Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing. Yeah, you're emotionally uninvested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Yeah, you're emotionally uninvested. new term to coin ? Like it penny stocks pay in pennies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: You can take his 69.5 QBR from yesterday and stare at his poster on your wall. I prefer Watson's 121.2 The kid sucks. So you’ll take his 235 yds 1 int and 1 yds and 69.5 rating from his first playoff game last year then as well correct? Cuz that was Watson’s game last year against the colts. josh showed much more impressive stuff and guts to me than the bad. Glad he is our QB and look forward to his continued improvement and learning! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Josh Allen now has 28 starts. He was below-average in every passing metric other than sack avoidance this year. If he's going to be something special, wouldn't we know by now? Is there any quarterback who made a major leap after two below-average seasons? Maybe it's possible. Look at Ben Roethlisberger's stats. Made a huge leap in year 3. And that only took me 30 seconds to find. I'm sure Brees had the same jump. And many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They were even down 2-3 players in the secondary vs us. I also believe they get beat down. KC will score with ease. They kept a lot of defenders back in coverage confident they could generate pressure with 3 and 4 man rushes...which they did. Was easier to bottle up our receivers. Not a steller outing for our o-line, but I think there were a few guys playing pretty dinged up, and we need better talent/coaching-up of the OT positions. There are positions for Beane and his staff to improve upon. Edited January 6, 2020 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: upset that people really are so lacking any type of knowledge You had a Pats logo as your avatar here just a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Rubes said: I could not possibly disagree with this more. The blocking was the main problem in the second half. This is completely opposed to what actually happened. Allen had all day to throw. The line was borderline elite with how much time they gave him on all but a couple of plays. Maybe it looks like it because he holds the ball longer than any QB in the league. That's the privilege you get when a line gives you time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, egd said: You had a Pats logo as your avatar here just a month ago. never hear of this thing called a BET? i know it is something new 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: You can take his 69.5 QBR from yesterday and stare at his poster on your wall. I prefer Watson's 121.2 The kid sucks. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this the schmuck that pounded the table for and brought out every excuse in the book in defense of peterman? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this the schmuck that pounded the table for and brought out every excuse in the book in defense of peterman? he still thinks QBR is an actual good stat to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this the schmuck that pounded the table for and brought out every excuse in the book in defense of peterman? Nope, I said Peterman outplayed Allen in pre-season - which he did. You're one of the many kids around here that has trouble with reading comprehension. Sorry, I can't fix that for you. Just now, MAJBobby said: he still thinks QBR is an actual good stat to use. I'll let you pick the stat to show Allen was the better QB yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: he still thinks QBR is an actual good stat to use. Touchdowns are always nice.... Allen scored more of those than all of 5 people in the league this year. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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