TroutDog Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffbills716 said: That team had Kelly, we don't. Ok, so you’re a ‘downer’. Say? How ‘bout tale a look at his stats and EVERY other great QB and see if they were SB caliber in year two? Boy! That’ll be interesting!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This team will not enjoy greatness with Josh Allen as its quarterback. Mark it down. I said in about week 5 this year that he is not good enough to beat a good team on the road in a playoff game. I also said we would finish 10-6 and make the playoffs. You just saw his ceiling. McDermott kicked Tyrod to the curb after a disappointing performance in a playoff game! Maybe he will do the same with Josh! I won't hold my breath. Terrible.......just terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm devastated. Not much more to say. So many chances to win. This one will hurt for a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ToGoGo said: Learning through pain is a choice. You can learn equally through winning. Where was Brady's learning through pain? Roethlisberger's? We choked today. Coaches choked. A select few players choked. Excellent response! I am tired of these excuses--how about we start winning for a change? Hold Allen accountable instead of making excuses for him all the time, demand that Daboll get his head out of his ***! Demand McD get more aggressive! 9 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Ok, so you’re a ‘downer’. Say? How ‘bout tale a look at his stats and EVERY other great QB and see if they were SB caliber in year two? Boy! That’ll be interesting!!!! A downer? After today's performance, you bet! What excuse will you make for him after year three? That would indeed be interesting!!! Edited January 5, 2020 by Buffbills716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This team will not enjoy greatness with Josh Allen as its quarterback. Mark it down. I said in about week 5 this year that he is not good enough to beat a good team on the road in a playoff game. I also said we would finish 10-6 and make the playoffs. You just saw his ceiling. McDermott kicked Tyrod to the curb after a disappointing performance in a playoff game! Maybe he will do the same with Josh! I won't hold my breath. Don’t you ever tire of your tantrums? We certainly do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Honestly as much as this sucks and as much as it hurts I'm glad it does. Being honest this team wasn't going to get to the SB this year and if they have to lose I'm glad it's one that hurts. This is going to stick with Josh and a lot of the guys this offseason and I think they'll be working hard as hell to get better. No disrespect, but I'm not at ALL glad the Bills lost in this fashion and I'm not convinced it's a learning experience that will make them better. I'd prefer to see them learn while winning. There are the fire everyone knee jerk reactions on the other side of the equation, but I don't believe losing is some right of passage. They have to add talent and the QB needs to improve. This game neither seals Allen/McD's fate as losers or serves as some great lesson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Buffbills716 said: A downer? After today's performance, you bet! What excuse will you make for him after year three? That would indeed be interesting!!! Wow! Congrats! After Josh was the MOST IMPROVED passer of his draft class this year you already know how he will perform NEXT year! Boy you’re good! Remove our stress! What’s the W/L record for next year and to whom???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, TroutDog said: Wow! Congrats! After Josh was the MOST IMPROVED passer of his draft class this year you already know how he will perform NEXT year! Boy you’re good! Remove our stress! What’s the W/L record for next year and to whom???? I would say based on our schedule (much more difficult than this year)--8-8? Other than his running ability, I would say he has a long way to go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/curtisrush/2019/10/14/buffalo-bills-qb-josh-allen-lagging-behind-his-2018-draft-peers/#334270f67618 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Defense failed too. This was a team loss except maybe the Special Teams. The defense did more than enough to earn a victory today. We all knew they would uphold their end of the deal, and most folks mentioned pre-game that Allen would need to find a way to score in the low 20s or more if we were going to win. This team will never go anywhere if we can't consistently score more than we currently do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buffbills716 said: I would say based on our schedule (much more difficult than this year)--8-8? Other than his running ability, I would say he has a long way to go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/curtisrush/2019/10/14/buffalo-bills-qb-josh-allen-lagging-behind-his-2018-draft-peers/#334270f67618 He is literally the most improved QB from last years class and you’re writing him off? Goodbye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This team will not enjoy greatness with Josh Allen as its quarterback. Mark it down. I said in about week 5 this year that he is not good enough to beat a good team on the road in a playoff game. I also said we would finish 10-6 and make the playoffs. You just saw his ceiling. McDermott kicked Tyrod to the curb after a disappointing performance in a playoff game! Maybe he will do the same with Josh! I won't hold my breath. His ceiling? Really? After his first full season as the starter? Got it. Super bowl or bust in 2019. C’mon man, this is just shortsighted when you consider where we came from just last year at 6-10, and Allen just fyi even in this game has set franchise marks: “Josh Allen's 92 rushing yards are the most by a Bills quarterback in the postseason, pasing Jim Kelly's 37 yards vs. Miami In 1990. Josh Allen joins hall of famers Marcus Allen and Walter Payton as the only players with a 25+ yard pass, 40+ yard rush, and a 15+ yard reception in a game since 1975. Allen is the first to do it since 1983. Josh Allen is the first quarterback in NFL history with a 40-yard run and touchdown reception in any game regular season or postseason. He did it on one drive... Josh Allen is the first Bills quarterback to catch a postseason touchdown. He joins Jim Kelly (one catch) as the only Bills quarterbacks to catch a postseason pass.” https://www.buffalobills.com/news/game-recap-texans-eliminate-bills-in-wild-card-game My point is, we are going in the right direction, with Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: How about scouting for a quarterback? Are we doing any of that this off-season? gonna crusade it up in every thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 McD caused a lot of the pain with the play calls and clock management at the end of the 1st half. I hope he learns, but his gameday coaching cost us today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 44 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Cuz coaches made Allen do that lateral? Or Milano not tackle Watson? The allen lateral had 0 bearing on the outcome. Its like saying "like Watson throwing right to Neal who dropped an easy pick in their territory" if Texans lost. It was a bad play, didnt effect game at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: The allen lateral had 0 bearing on the outcome. Its like saying "like Watson throwing right to Neal who dropped an easy pick in their territory" if Texans lost. It was a bad play, didnt effect game at all Every play counts as affects the next play in some way. As may cause a coach to call something different or a player to play different etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, The Jokeman said: Every play counts as affects the next play in some way. As may cause a coach to call something different or a player to play different etc. This is a huge reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, PolishPrince said: This is a huge reach. My point is this game wasn't solely lost by coaches. The players made mistakes that cost us this game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Bill's lost 4 of the last 5. Jets and Miami won alot the last quarter of the season. Bill's aren't winners No kill button, always playing close games without enough to win. 49 isn't good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Really sucks to lose. But at least the team (and especially Allen) has some playoff experience now. I think the experience will help them overcome obstacles and make better decisions in the future. There's no substitute for playing experience, and especially playoff playing experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, TroutDog said: While I hate and loathe this loss, it is part of the process. You can’t ‘practice’ this feeling. That’s why I appreciate our trajectory. Hate now, if you must, but love where we are headed. I fall back to where we were in ‘89 and ‘90. Our team learned from that. This team will as well. On to 2020!!! In 89, there was not a salary cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I hope there is a ton of pain. They need to let this drive them to improve and regret the great opportunity they had this year. Nothing is guaranteed and they need to take advantage when time is present. I expect to be back next year but you never now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Yeah, we haven't had enough. 22 years since our last playoff win wasn't enough waiting I guess. But it's OK! We are "learning" how to win! We are "building character!" How about scouting for a quarterback? Are we doing any of that this off-season? Yes, this is most of the board until next year. I see the future....Will come back post draft then disappear again until opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Jerboski said: We shouldnt have needed it to get to that point, the offense tried to run the clock out starting in the 3rd quarter. And the defense had all the stopping power of a sheet of wet Kleenex. It was a team loss and yes, I include the coaches. We need some better players, but good coaches put the players they have in the best position to succeed. I don't think I can say that about our coaches today. That being said, this is a better team than last year and I have to trust they will make the changes needed to be even better next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) My blood pressure spiked my at rest hearf rate was through the roof....I can't wait for next year Like the OP said I see a lot of similarities to the emerging Bills of the late 80's. This is a very exciting time to be a Bills fan A little pain now...a lot of joy later Edited January 5, 2020 by JMF2006 spelling missed T in heart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: In 89, there was not a salary cap And we have no issue with the cap at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rc2catch said: There will be a lot of pain on this board the next few weeks . I’m not looking forward to listening to some of these guys beat the same dead horse non stop until free agency Edited January 5, 2020 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, WideNine said: And the defense had all the stopping power of a sheet of wet Kleenex. It was a team loss and yes, I include the coaches. We need some better players, but good coaches put the players they have in the best position to succeed. I don't think I can say that about our coaches today. That being said, this is a better team than last year and I have to trust they will make the changes needed to be even better next year. ........play fearless.....coach FEARFUL............on a bigger stage no less......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 hours ago, TroutDog said: He is literally the most improved QB from last years class and you’re writing him off? Goodbye. I said he has a long way to go. https://www.theringer.com/2020/1/5/21050032/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-houston-texans-wild-card-round-lateral-catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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