Joshua Patrick Allen, aka Mr 3rd down

[Logic]

 

[Hebert19]

That's crazy.  Between his desire to throw it past the sticks or run it he does pick up a huge number of 3rd and longs. 

[Logic]

Just now, Hebert19 said:

That's crazy.  Between his desire to throw it past the sticks or run it he does pick up a huge number of 3rd and longs. 

For the past 20 years, 3rd and 8+ for the Bills basically felt like an automatic punt.

Ever since Allen came to town -- not so much.

They say a quarterback makes his money on 3rd downs and in the 4th quarter. If that be the case, Allen has a bright future.

[Dkollidas]

I think what happens is a lot of defenses play a shallow zone, and they try to beat that zone by about 5yds or so. When they have 3rd-8 I feel like they usually hit a 12-15yd strike 

[Ramza86]

Allen has been converting 3rd and long since his 1st game. 

 

Its really a crazy stat man. Ive never ever felt like a punt was a sure thing with a 3rd and 15 and under.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

For the past 20 years, 3rd and 8+ for the Bills basically felt like an automatic punt.

Ever since Allen came to town -- not so much.

They say a quarterback makes his money on 3rd downs and in the 4th quarter. If that be the case, Allen has a bright future.

another reason he reminds me so much of a young big ben.... living on the outskirts of stiller country I've seen a ton of that guy and for years fans of that team were more confident in 3rd and long situations than there were on a typical 3rd and 3. 

[Ramza86]

Just now, Dkollidas said:

I think what happens is a lot of defenses play a shallow zone, and they try to beat that zone by about 5yds or so. When they have 3rd-8 I feel like they usually hit a 12-15yd strike 

 

Good eye. Most defenders play for the sticks on 3rd and long.  Allen throws past it.

[Don Otreply]

Ya just gotta like that, ?

 

Go Bills!!!

[CLTbills]

13 minutes ago, Logic said:

For the past 20 years, 3rd and 8+ for the Bills basically felt like an automatic punt.

Ever since Allen came to town -- not so much.

They say a quarterback makes his money on 3rd downs and in the 4th quarter. If that be the case, Allen has a bright future.

If that's where they make their money, he has a very rich future as well.

[r00tabaga]

The exact OPPOSITE of Captain Checkdown.

 

He doesn't take what the defense gives him. There was a play where it was 3rd & long and we actually didn't convert it, but you could see Tyler Kroft wide open in the flat and Josh Allen look'd right at em and then immediately went to his third read which was Isaiah McKenzie who was deep down the field.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I made this comment after the last game and went back and looked at the stats. Against the Broncos, he converted 3rd and 9, 10, 11, and 12 (one was the TD to Beasley too). 

[whatdrought]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

That's crazy.  Between his desire to throw it past the sticks or run it he does pick up a huge number of 3rd and longs. 

 

That's to me one of the biggest and most tangible improvements to our Bills team this year.

In previous years I felt as though if we were in 3rd and long we could bend over and kiss it goodbye.  Now it's like "OK, how will they make this go?"

 

4 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I made this comment after the last game and went back and looked at the stats. Against the Broncos, he converted 3rd and 9, 10, 11, and 12 (one was the TD to Beasley too). 

 

He got hit immediately after that TD throw to Beas.  Told the defender who hit him "That went for a TD, you know"

 

Apparently the reply was unprintable ?

6 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

The exact OPPOSITE of Captain Checkdown.

 

He doesn't take what the defense gives him. There was a play where it was 3rd & long and we actually didn't convert it, but you could see Tyler Kroft wide open in the flat and Josh Allen look'd right at em and then immediately went to his third read which was Isaiah McKenzie who was deep down the field.

 

TBH, he could sometimes stand to take the higher percentage throw and trust his guys with their feet, but he also hasn't really had guys he can trust that completely.

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

TBH, he could sometimes stand to take the higher percentage throw and trust his guys with their feet, but he also hasn't really had guys he can trust that completely.

 

I think we're still on the lower end of playmakers on this offense.. Knox is coming along, Brown is a stud, Beasley gets the job done, and then guys like Foster and McKenzie are nice role players, but add in a another high 2/1b receiver and I think things really take off for him. 

[cage]

Oh, and he can run for it too...

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

In before Allen haters to come in and say that a good QB wouldn't have so many 3rd and longs to begin with.

Edited November 26, 2019 by The Real Buffalo Joe

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

FFS...  why am I just now learning his initials are JP? 

[CLTbills]

There was a game early in the year.... may have been either Cincinnati or NYG, that we were in a third and long... like a 3rd and 15 or so. And I realized that for the first time in a LONG time, my initial reaction was, "OK, no problem. We'll pick this up." And sure enough, Josh picked it up. 

[Logic]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

FFS...  why am I just now learning his initials are JP? 

"This kid JP, he's mobile and he's got a huge arm, but his accuracy could use a little work. Bills fans are just gonna love him!"

?

[whatdrought]

Just now, CLTbills said:

There was a game early in the year.... may have been either Cincinnati or NYG, that we were in a third and long... like a 3rd and 15 or so. And I realized that for the first time in a LONG time, my initial reaction was, "OK, no problem. We'll pick this up." And sure enough, Josh picked it up. 

 

I had this moment against the Skins on our final, game sealing drive. They held us to like a 4th and 5, but they accepted a hold call making it like 3rd and 18 to try and take us out of field goal range. Josh dialed up a beautiful pass to Smoke on the sideline. Punished them for making that choice, then we got 6.

[badassgixxer05]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

He got hit immediately after that TD throw to Beas.  Told the defender who hit him "That went for a TD, you know"

Yeah, when I saw the play on replay, I thought it could have drew a flag. The defender hit after ball was out and then proceeded to drive Allen into ground with his full body weight on top of him. Allen is a big boy though and shook it right off. The defender was starring him down after too, and Allen had that look like, Bro! that just went for 6,  HAHA to late!!! ?

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I had this moment against the Skins on our final, game sealing drive. They held us to like a 4th and 5, but they accepted a hold call making it like 3rd and 18 to try and take us out of field goal range. Josh dialed up a beautiful pass to Smoke on the sideline. Punished them for making that choice, then we got 6.

for me it was a 2 game stretch between a couple longer ones in the giants game and then, in person, real early in the home opener as he rolled to his right and delivered a laser down the sideline to convert a 3rd and 15 if I recall correctly.

[CLTbills]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I had this moment against the Skins on our final, game sealing drive. They held us to like a 4th and 5, but they accepted a hold call making it like 3rd and 18 to try and take us out of field goal range. Josh dialed up a beautiful pass to Smoke on the sideline. Punished them for making that choice, then we got 6.

It was crazy... I mean for my entire adult life, anything above 3rd and 7 was almost an automatic punt. And now all of a sudden, 3rd and 13 isn't really a big deal. 

I literally said, out loud, "We got our QB" after he put one on a rope to Beasley to convert it.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, CLTbills said:

It was crazy... I mean for my entire adult life, anything above 3rd and 7 was almost an automatic punt. And now all of a sudden, 3rd and 13 isn't really a big deal. 

I literally said, out loud, "We got our QB" after he put one on a rope to Beasley to convert it.

same. i'm 34 so this is all new to me as an invested fan. My best buddy is a "stillers" fan and always chuckled at how excited I always got in previous years over a 3rd and long conversion. that whole fan base has been spoiled for 15 years now and I always told him to brace for when ben is gone because he'll be in the same boat...... he finally admitted this year how lucky he's had it after watching the garbage they've put on the field at qb this year.

[MrEpsYtown]

So glad we did not listen to Chris Trapasso. Allen has been very good and you could see his progression. I think next year he takes a jump into the elite. 

[Chris from Rochester]

48 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I think we're still on the lower end of playmakers on this offense.. Knox is coming along, Brown is a stud, Beasley gets the job done, and then guys like Foster and McKenzie are nice role players, but add in a another high 2/1b receiver and I think things really take off for him. 

 

This is where I am also, I really want to see a big fast WR brought in during the off season as well as a big RB to compliment Singletary. That along with Allens continued development an I believe sky's the limit

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Chris from Rochester said:

 

This is where I am also, I really want to see a big fast WR brought in during the off season as well as a big RB to compliment Singletary. That along with Allens continued development an I believe sky's the limit

 

One guy I've been thinking about lately is Chase Claypool from Notre Dame. I saw someone say he had a bit of Mike Evans to his game, but who knows if that's legit. I also wouldn't hate trading a first rounder for Mike Evans... 

[Real McClappy]

Serious ?

 

Why can't we play like every play is 3rd down then? Daboll opens the playbook so much more effective on these 3rd and longs and let's Josh play to his strength.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Real McCoy

[Chris from Rochester]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

One guy I've been thinking about lately is Chase Claypool from Notre Dame. I saw someone say he had a bit of Mike Evans to his game, but who knows if that's legit. I also wouldn't hate trading a first rounder for Mike Evans... 

 

I don't watch enough college football to give an educated opinion, but if he is like Mike Evans sign me up!

[Royale with Cheese]

I was starting to get a little concerned with Allen after the Browns game.  It looks like the light bulb is starting to come on now.

 

I'm starting to feel like this.

 

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I was starting to get a little concerned with Allen after the Browns game.  It looks like the light bulb is starting to come on now.

 

I'm starting to feel like this.

 

 

As much as I hated watching the Pats and Browns game, they both appear to have been crucial to his development as a quarterback. It was after the Browns game that he started figuring out how to beat Cover Zero pressures and that the offense finally got a kick in the ass and upped their points output a bit.

[WhoTom]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

He got hit immediately after that TD throw to Beas.  Told the defender who hit him "That went for a TD, you know"

 

 

That hit could've/should've drawn a roughing the passer penalty and, on top of that, the defender looked like he taunted Josh afterward. But we got the last laugh, so I didn't care too much.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

That hit could've/should've drawn a roughing the passer penalty and, on top of that, the defender looked like he taunted Josh afterward. But we got the last laugh, so I didn't care too much.

 

I'm not sure about the roughing?  He gets two steps.  He pretty much had his hands on Josh just as he threw, Singletary blocked him just long enough to give Josh time.

But then what I love is Singletary came over and gave the guy a shove, pushed him off Josh and helped Josh up while facing him down.

 

That's a 6'2" 250 lb linebacker.  Singletary is listed at 5'7" 203 lbs in his draft profile.

 

Seems Singletary has a bit of a Honey Badger gene

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, Logic said:

 

 

I found the stat before they did!

[VW82]

Wait so these numbers are before considering 3rd & long conversions on rushes? Because he’s definitely had some of those too. Anyone know where he ranks on 3rd down in general?

 

When you see stats like this it really makes you wonder why this offense hasn’t scored more points.

[WhoTom]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I'm not sure about the roughing?  He gets two steps.  He pretty much had his hands on Josh just as he threw, Singletary blocked him just long enough to give Josh time.

 

I know the hit was unavoidable, but he seemed to drive Josh into the ground. Using the TB12 standard, that's egregious RtP.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

6 hours ago, Logic said:

 

So, can I nickname him JP? ?‍♂️

Too soon??

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

So, can I nickname him JP? ?‍♂️

Too soon??

J.P.Allen nahhhhh reminds me of another JP too much!

[Reed83HOF]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

"This kid JP, he's mobile and he's got a huge arm, but his accuracy could use a little work. Bills fans are just gonna love him!"

?

 

 

[WhoTom]

7 minutes ago, VW82 said:

When you see stats like this it really makes you wonder why this offense hasn’t scored more points.

 

Total 3rd down conversion rate is 38% this year. Apparently, we suck on 3rd and short.