McDermott Weds Presser: Sullivan asks whether Allen is an improvement over Tyrod

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Because he's not doing too much well.  If he was, we would score more points but we are again, not able to put points up.  

I think the bar is set low if you feel he's "way ahead" of what anyone expected.

 

This isn't 1995 anymore.  This is a new league where the rules in the NFL make it a passing league and we still can't do it.  

For someone who has fumbled 11 times and thrown 7 INT's....10 passing TD's and 26th in passing yards per game isn't enough.

 

[reddogblitz]

Just now, Sundancer said:

 

He learned that from Reid. I like it. Coach the team. That's all that matters. You know who else gives an awful press conference? Belichek. 

 

Rex gave great press conferences. Maybe the best ever. 

 

It was just an observation not a criticism. 

 

And this is exactly why I never watch his press conferences.  It's like watching paint dry only not as exciting.  I figured this out about 5 minutes into his career as the Bills HC.

 

But I really don't care.  Just win on Sunday or Thursday or Saturday as the case may be.

 

Go  BILLS !!

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

He learned that from Reid. I like it. Coach the team. That's all that matters. You know who else gives an awful press conference? Belichek. 

 

Rex gave great press conferences. Maybe the best ever. 

 

Giving fun answers to reporters is the last thing I care about. 

 

 

 

What do people expect? Benching Allen?

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

 

Would love to see your methodology here.

 

It's simple. Bet the under, alwaya.

[Jpsredemption]

It was a great question and glad we have atleast one media member that pushes the envelope a bit in this town. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Unreliable. Much like the other takes on Allen recently.  

 

What was the criticism of Allen in the offseason? Needs to up his completion % and clean up the short/underneath stuff. Worked on it in the offseason and did it. 

 

Then through first 4 games it was: stop throwing INTs. Worked on it. Done. 

 

Now it's 'he can't hit a deep ball'...all you want to do is complain about what isn't working without looking at what is. It's beyond repetitive, it's just lazy at this point.

 

Completion % vs Browns: 53.7. 

 

Completion % vs Eagles: 47.1

 

That's 2 of the last 3 games.  Still sub 60% for the season so far.

18 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

He nailed it like he nails all questions by waffling around and tossing out tired football cliches and not answering the question.

 

Yeah, not sure what he nailed other than saying he wasn't going to answer the question.

[BuffaloHokie13]

19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Would love to see your methodology here.

Stafford was carrying the Lions so hard this year that he actually broke bones in his back!

[Shaw66]

22 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

That’s not a knock on you, personally. Just an indicator that Sullivan knows what he’s doing as far as stirring the pot and generating clickbait.

 

Put “Sullivan” or “Schopp” in a thread title and watch it take off. Some of you guys make it too easy for them.

We love to talk about those guys here, but the question is whether any of this talk actually causes people to go read Sullivan or listen to Schopp.  For me, the answer to both questions is "no."  I don't go to them because they simply are not good at what they do.  They don't inform me, either with information or with insights, so I don't bother.  

[GG]

21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

 

Would love to see your methodology here.

 

By the volumes of these types of conversations.   Granted I don't know what happened in Detroit talk circuit in Stafford's early years, but there were definitely fewer questions about Eli's ability to be an NFL QB by the local or national press.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Stafford was carrying the Lions so hard this year that he actually broke bones in his back!

Golladay and Jones Jr are a nice pair of wideouts

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

By the volumes of these types of conversations.   Granted I don't know what happened in Detroit talk circuit in Stafford's early years, but there were definitely fewer questions about Eli's ability to be an NFL QB by the local or national press.

Please tell me you aren't using messageboard traffic and local and national press as your basis for quarterback comparisons. That's only marginally more hilarious than STATZ

[PromoTheRobot]

You had to let Jerry back in, didn't you.

[Bigantall]

I for one was glad to see the reporters ask him some real questions instead of the regular crap. Hey we are all frustrated with the coaches and the players!

[US Egg]

If the QB situation were to look like this a year from now, then yeah, The Josh Allen Experiment will look quite dubious.

Edited November 13, 2019 by I am the egg man

[Sundancer]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Completion % vs Browns: 53.7. 

 

Completion % vs Eagles: 47.1

 

That's 2 of the last 3 games.  Still sub 60% for the season so far.

 

 

You must be so happy that you can finally say this! Bully for you.

[Chill]

Hard ball questions are good. Keep it up reporters. 
 

Sean has to do a better job. 

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, ngbills said:

What is missed in this whole identical stats things...

 

Allen - 19 Int's and 19 Fumbles

Taylor - 8 Int's and 12 Fumbles

 

 

If only Tyrod could help us win games in the 4th quarter instead of folding like a cheap suit. 

[billsbackto81]

47 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It's a combination of the questions and I think he's still pissed about the Cleveland game.  
He's not happy with the run defense, he's not happy with the lack of scoring on offense.  

And he's the coach.

Imagine how upset he'd be if he was a fan and TSW member.

[london_bills]

3 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

Hmm, not sure I have a problem with the question.  They've gone through the "process" to get Allen and build the team they want, and they are no better off...

There is truth in his question. 

[GG]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Golladay and Jones Jr are a nice pair of wideouts

Please tell me you aren't using messageboard traffic and local and national press as your basis for quarterback comparisons. That's only marginally more hilarious than STATZ

 

No matter how much disdain you show for what the average fan sees, at the end of the day, bad players can't outrun their critics.    The conversations surrounding Allen are very similar to EJ, who also had a promising start.

 

When Allen can show that he can read a defense and defeat a blitz, then the converstations will end.

[london_bills]

7 minutes ago, BananaB said:

If only Tyrod could help us win games in the 4th quarter instead of folding like a cheap suit. 

I do agree with where your going in this. Allen separates himself from Tyrod with those comebacks. I really wanted to see one against the browns. I don't put the last drive on him so much actually. The rest of the game was the problem. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by london_bills

[GoBills808]

Just now, GG said:

 

No matter how much disdain you show for what the average fan sees, at the end of the day, bad players can't outrun their critics.    The conversations surrounding Allen are very similar to EJ, who also had a promising start.

 

When Allen can show that he can read a defense and defeat a blitz, then the converstations will end.

Cool. Until then maybe you can bring up how similar Allen and Vince Young's first two years looked again.

[Matt_In_NH]

And.....they dont do that so hes frustrated.

[london_bills]

7 minutes ago, GG said:

 

No matter how much disdain you show for what the average fan sees, at the end of the day, bad players can't outrun their critics.    The conversations surrounding Allen are very similar to EJ, who also had a promising start.

 

When Allen can show that he can read a defense and defeat a blitz, then the converstations will end.

Genuine question: how football smart do people think Allen is? Has he developed his reading of defenses? 

Edited November 13, 2019 by london_bills

[Bangarang]

Such a historically stupid question from Sully.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Such a historically stupid question from Sully.

But stats!

[london_bills]

55 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

Jerry Sullivan is a narcissist.  Guy has always tried to make everything about him instead of the Bills.  Always asks stupid questions for attention.

I know what you are saying. Mike schopp too? 

 

I do think there needs to be people who will be somewhat 'provocative' in their opinions and they are entitled to them. 

 

I get more frustrated listening to John Murphy personally than schopp or Sullivan. I don't always want a positive spin put on bills talk. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by london_bills

[GG]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Cool. Until then maybe you can bring up how similar Allen and Vince Young's first two years looked again.

 

Here

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Josh+Allen&player_id1_select=Josh+Allen&player_id1=AlleJo02&fromyear_1=2018&toyear_1=2019&player_id2_hint=Vince+Young&player_id2_select=Vince+Young&fromyear_2=2006&toyear_2=2007&player_id2=YounVi00&idx=players#totals::none

 

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by GG

[Jdragon2]

12 minutes ago, Chill said:

Hard ball questions are good. Keep it up reporters. 
 

Sean has to do a better job. 

back to the basement Jerry

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It's a combination of the questions and I think he's still pissed about the Cleveland game.  
He's not happy with the run defense, he's not happy with the lack of scoring on offense.  

He hired his second offensive coordinator- he and Beane moved up for JA. I am not saying McD is a bad coach but he gets some of the blame. He isn’t used to the media around these parts getting on him- imagine if he was in Philly with this ***** show?

Edited November 13, 2019 by billsfan_34

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

But stats!

It has nothing to do with the stats for me. I think it’s fine to make comparisons.
 

It’s just the fact that he even bothered to ask the question knowing how McD speaks to the media. He just wanted to make a point.

[Matt_In_NH]

And Josh Allens numbers are simiilar to Drew Brees's numbers at the beginning of his career. 

 

I guess reporters are to ask deuchy questions but the answer is obvious to the whole world.  No its not good enough.

 

I will say this, Tyrod was declining over his last 20 while Josh has been rising.  We need a lot more improvment or he will be just another in the long list of QB;s who did not make it here.

[FiftyPercent]

Wow, Jerry's pertinent question got a lot of TBD panties in a wad.

[london_bills]

Just now, Bangarang said:

It has nothing to do with the stats for me. I think it’s fine to make comparisons.
 

It’s just the fact that he even bothered to ask the question knowing how McD speaks to the media. He just wanted to make a point.

Mcdermott generally deals with stuff like that quite well. 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Genuine question: how football smart to people think Allen is? Has he developed his reading of defenses? 

 

It depends if you ask people inside the 716 area code or outside.

[Bangarang]

What’s more frustrating, watching our bad offense or answering questions about it?

[billsfan_34]

3 minutes ago, Jdragon2 said:

back to the basement Jerry

He may be the worst in the country

[Casey D]

 Are your frustrated with the offense?  I mean he answered as best as anyone could, I'm frustrated if we are not moving the ball and scoring.  Lot of scintillating journalism there.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Here

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Josh+Allen&player_id1_select=Josh+Allen&player_id1=AlleJo02&fromyear_1=2018&toyear_1=2019&player_id2_hint=Vince+Young&player_id2_select=Vince+Young&fromyear_2=2006&toyear_2=2007&player_id2=YounVi00&idx=players#totals::none

 

 

...let's just leave aside the fact that you lumped the two years together without looking at how they improved (or didn't), respectively. Because who has time for all that context nonsense.

 

Does the fact that in 9 less games Young threw ELEVEN more picks and only ONE more TD than Allen mean anything to you, at all? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No they are not. He did not play well on Sunday. When I said it after the game you all jumped on me and countless people have come out and said it since. I didn't say bench him, or move on, or he is done. I said he played poorly on Sunday and he needs to play better. 

 

Allen needs to play better than he played on Sunday, but to compare how he played to Tyrod's play is IMO (having watched Sunday's film, and watched Tyrod) mistaken.

 

Allen did a lot of things on Sunday that I never saw Tyrod do. 

 

Allen also didn't do some things Sunday that he needs to do.

 

He also had passes hit guys in the hands and get dropped or knocked away, and that has to change too.

 

[wagon127]

There's a reason a lot of fantasy football leagues draft QB's much later then they used to. They realized there isn't much of a difference week to week between the 4th best QB, and the 15th best QB. I only bring up fantasy because we are talking about Stats. Decision making, and completing drives when it matters, is the difference between good QBs and bad QBs. Allen is still a work in progress, and he needs at least the full 2020 season before you start thinking its never going to work.

[Maine-iac]

I was a Taylor fan.  Specifically a Taylor fan in Roman/Lynn's offense.  The complete inability to keep pass catchers around Taylor was the biggest hindrance to his time here.  This defense and Taylor and that offense would be a pretty good combination.  All that said bringing in Dennison was the nail in the coffin.  Daboll is definitely a step up from Dennison and I really feel like the OL and Allen's growing pains are fixable problems.  The one thing Taylor didn't bring enough of that Allen seems to already have is that "clutch" factor.  There's no real stat for it.  Allen just seems to make his best and biggest plays late in games.  Even the Cleveland game he made plays that could and should have won that game.  I think that mixed with his physical talent make him good.  Give him enough time with (hopefully) one offense (I'm alright with Daboll) and I think Allen can be the QB we thought we were drafting.

 

ps I love it when people argue pass catchers not helping Allen like the guys we have now are not miles better than the guys Taylor threw to with Dennison here.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Maine-iac