Bills at Browns Post Game Post Mortem

[thenorthremembers]

10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I think McDermott does a good job of motivating the team and gets them fired up to compete at a high level every game.  That is a big part of an NFL HC's duties, and he does that well.

 

All other aspects of being a HC he does poorly.

In word, he is what I would call "replaceable."

 

 

He is a below average head coach.  He can dress it up anyway he wants, but despite all his motivational speaking and talk about previous regimes making poor decisions his process has produced a similar outcome as Rex and Marrone's.    They were good at hovering around the playoffs as well, they just didnt have the Andy Dalton miracle.

 

On the upside he is probably about as good as Vrabel, O'brien and Gruden- on the downside he is about as good as Dan Quinn and Doug Marrone. 

[dave mcbride]

It's amazing to me how irate people are after a loss. The Bills went into that game as 3-point underdogs and lost on the road by 3 points to a desperate, talented team that's better than its record. The two teams' stats were almost identical too. It was a very hard-fought and close game, and the Bills lost because their kicker was worse than Cleveland's. There's one post above where a poster says that Daboll coached timidly at the end, and says this despite the fact that Allen's final throw was a deep sideline throw against a cover-zero defense. And no one as of yet has mentioned the almighty karma -- i.e., the Bills won a very close road game they shouldn't have because of the opposing kicker (TN), and one way to look at this is to basically say that things simply evened out. 

 

The bottom line: the Bills are not an elite team, and they're bound to play in a lot of close games. They are not going to win every one of them. Yet they are a decent team that might get to 10-6 despite a roster that's still a year away. They have three easy games left, plus a couple of possible wins out there for the taking. If there was one lesson from yesterday, it's that this is an any-given-Sunday league. The Steelers are not going to finish the season on an 11-0 streak. They have to play at Cleveland (where they really struggled last year) and at Baltimore, who may blow them out. The Raiders are going to lose at least 2 and quite possibly 3 more games. Indy is playing itself out of a WC slot. KC is 6-4. The Bills have the head to head over TN. 

 

Everything is OK. 

Edited November 11, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Nitro]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

This is a fair observation IMO.   

 

IMO McD deliberately killed clock on our last possession because they do not trust Allen to move down the field and score a TD for the win.  They were playing for a FG, tie, and OT.

 

I genuinely wonder, for the first time ever, if they are thinking about moving on from him.  

They are afraid to ask Josh to put his foot on the gas b/c when he does that, he turns the ball over.

 

How is he going to progress if you think this way?  Plenty of good pro QBs started off rough.  Peyton Manning threw a ton of interceptions his rookie year.  You have to take the stumbles in order for the guy to grow and improve.  Working out of fear does him and the team no good

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

The Process dictates actives/inactives.

Gotta look at the tape and earn the right I guess. 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Not trying to hot take this thing, but serious question. Why does this staff constantly over value special teams at the offenses expense? Not saying he’s a game breaker, but there is no way a guy like Senorise Perry should be active on game day over TJ Yeldon or Duke Williams. I’m not saying the result would’ve been different, but if you know the game plan is to throw the ball 40 times and ignore the run, then why not make all your best pass catchers available?  Perry is invisible at the job he’s asked (which I guess is a good thing) and the special teams is largely average. I’d rather give up a little yardage in the kicking game to buoy the offense with everything we have at our disposal. 

Therein lies the problem!!! But, yeah, don't run and not have two of your receivers active? I really want Duke to get more involved in the offense.

 

Also, we signed Corey Luiget? I swear I didn't see him once, yet we have Vincent Taylor inactive and Star still in?? UGH!!!!!

[Bangarang]

57 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

It's amazing to me how irate people are after a loss. The Bills went into that game as 3-point underdogs and lost on the road by 3 points to a desperate, talented team that's better than its record. The two teams' stats were almost identical too. It was a very hard-fought and close game, and the Bills lost because their kicker was worse than Cleveland's. There's one post above where a poster says that Daboll coached timidly at the end, and says this despite the fact that Allen's final throw was a deep sideline throw against a cover-zero defense. And no one as of yet has mentioned the almighty karma -- i.e., the Bills won a very close road game they shouldn't have because of the opposing kicker (TN), and one wat to look at this is to basically say that things simply evened out. 

 

The bottom line: the Bills are not an elite team, and they're bound to play in a lot of close games. They are not going to win every one of them. Yet they are a decent team that might get to 10-6 despite a roster that's still a year away. They have three easy games left, plus a couple of possible wins out there for the taking. If there was one lesson from yesterday, it's that this is an any-given-Sunday league. The Steelers are not going to finish the season on an 11-0 streak. They have to play at Cleveland (where they really struggled last year) and at Baltimore, who may blow them out. The Raiders are going to lose at least 2 and quite possibly 3 more games. Indy is playing itself out of a WC slot. KC is 6-4. The Bills have the head to head over TN. 

 

Everything is OK. 

I see a lot of people saying this roster is a year away. A year away from what exactly?

[WideNine]

11 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Therein lies the problem!!! But, yeah, don't run and not have two of your receivers active? I really want Duke to get more involved in the offense.

 

Also, we signed Corey Luiget? I swear I didn't see him once, yet we have Vincent Taylor inactive and Star still in?? UGH!!!!!

 

Luiget was out there, and I think he helped. On one play I saw him point out protections and the defensive line shifted and it stoned a run.

 

Could tell it was not his first rodeo.

 

Did not watch him the whole game, will see how other more knowledgeable resources grade his 1st start for us.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I see a lot of people saying this roster is a year away. A year away from what exactly?

A year away from when Brady hopefully stops playing for NE. That could happen next year if reports are to be believed. Also, BB got his 300th victory, so that may be a sign. I'm approaching these possibilities with a healthy amount of skepticism, but one can hope. Until it happens, the Bills won't have chance to win the division. 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

It's amazing to me how irate people are after a loss. The Bills went into that game as 3-point underdogs and lost on the road by 3 points to a desperate, talented team that's better than its record. The two teams' stats were almost identical too. It was a very hard-fought and close game, and the Bills lost because their kicker was worse than Cleveland's. There's one post above where a poster says that Daboll coached timidly at the end, and says this despite the fact that Allen's final throw was a deep sideline throw against a cover-zero defense. And no one as of yet has mentioned the almighty karma -- i.e., the Bills won a very close road game they shouldn't have because of the opposing kicker (TN), and one way to look at this is to basically say that things simply evened out. 

 

The bottom line: the Bills are not an elite team, and they're bound to play in a lot of close games. They are not going to win every one of them. Yet they are a decent team that might get to 10-6 despite a roster that's still a year away. They have three easy games left, plus a couple of possible wins out there for the taking. If there was one lesson from yesterday, it's that this is an any-given-Sunday league. The Steelers are not going to finish the season on an 11-0 streak. They have to play at Cleveland (where they really struggled last year) and at Baltimore, who may blow them out. The Raiders are going to lose at least 2 and quite possibly 3 more games. Indy is playing itself out of a WC slot. KC is 6-4. The Bills have the head to head over TN. 

 

Everything is OK. 

 

I think that's mostly right.  The game went about as I expected it to, although I thought there was a non-zero chance the Browns could come out totally disorganized and flat and Allen would finally hit on some deep passes and they'd take care of business a bit better.  I think the frustration you're sensing is (i) some folks are embarrassed because they've spent weeks fighting the narrative that the Bills weren't as good as their record; (ii) some of us are just exhausted from watching bad quarterback play for nearly three decades; (iii) the game was in hand, and the Bills should've been able to close it out; and (iv) there is a sense that, even though this isn't the most talented team, the talent is still being somewhat underutilized by the coaches, especially on offense.  Number (iv) is my biggest beef - I'm pretty darn sure that, although Allen has a lot of flaws and this offense lacks any real playmakers, a better OC would be getting more out of this offense than Daboll is.  He just seems to lack a feel for the rhythm of the game and lacks some situational awareness.  

 

Although on that final point, I suspect it's become a bit muddy and complicated as a result of McDermott-Daboll dynamic: after Allen fumbled the Eagles game away, I'm fairly certain McDermott instructed Daboll to keep it simple and use the running backs on those plays; that led to Daboll slamming Gore into the teeth of the 'Skins' d-line over and over again without success, which probably led to McD telling Daboll to pass more where the situation dictated it; which Daboll took as a license to air it out against a Browns defense that was totally stacking the box, which led to the fans (and probably McD) complaining that they didn't run enough... that's my suspicion, anyway - Daboll and McD are caught in a vicious cycle with the offense and they just can't get ahead of it.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I think that's mostly right.  The game went about as I expected it to, although I thought there was a non-zero chance the Browns could come out totally disorganized and flat and Allen would finally hit on some deep passes and they'd take care of business a bit better.  I think the frustration you're sensing is (i) some folks are embarrassed because they've spent weeks fighting the narrative that the Bills weren't as good as their record; (ii) some of us are just exhausted from watching bad quarterback play for nearly three decades; (iii) the game was in hand, and the Bills should've been able to close it out; and (iv) there is a sense that, even though this isn't the most talented team, the talent is still being somewhat underutilized by the coaches, especially on offense.  Number (iv) is my biggest beef - I'm pretty darn sure that, although Allen has a lot of flaws and this offense lacks any real playmakers, a better OC would be getting more out of this offense than Daboll is.  He just seems to lack a feel for the rhythm of the game and lacks some situational awareness.  

 

Although on that final point, I suspect it's become a bit muddy and complicated as a result of McDermott-Daboll dynamic: after Allen fumbled the Eagles game away, I'm fairly certain McDermott instructed Daboll to keep it simple and use the running backs on those plays; that led to Daboll slamming Gore into the teeth of the 'Skins' d-line over and over again without success, which probably led to McD telling Daboll to pass more where the situation dictated it; which Daboll took as a license to air it out against a Browns defense that was totally stacking the box, which led to the fans (and probably McD) complaining that they didn't run enough... that's my suspicion, anyway - Daboll and McD are in a vicious cycle with the offense and they just can't get ahead of it.

I mostly agree, but I also think that if Allen hit that wide open deep shot, the narrative about Daboll would be completely different. 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

I mostly agree, but I also think that if Allen hit that wide open deep shot, the narrative about Daboll would be completely different. 

Probably so.  And I certainly prefer taking chances to the “Gallipoli Offense” strategy of repeatedly slamming a running back into a wall with little hope of success.  Allen needs to bail out his OC by hitting one or two of these chances...

[thebandit27]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I mostly agree, but I also think that if Allen hit that wide open deep shot, the narrative about Daboll would be completely different. 

 

14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Probably so.  And I certainly prefer taking chances to the “Gallipoli Offense” strategy of repeatedly slamming a running back into a wall with little hope of success.  Allen needs to bail out his OC by hitting one or two of these chances...

 

How much different are the game result and narrative if Denzel Ward doesn't interfere with Foster on the opening play?

 

Because that was a TD he saved 

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

 

How much different are the game result and narrative if Denzel Ward doesn't interfere with Foster on the opening play?

 

Because that was a TD he saved 

Sorry but I have no faith in foster successfully tracking an oblong object in the air.  He just can’t seem to do it.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/11/11/20958436/cleveland-browns-brownies-frownies-browns-edge-bills-19-16

 

Sunday’s game against the Buffalo Bills was basically the 2019 season for the Cleveland Browns. A loss would place Cleveland at 2-7 and basically end their year.

 

The 6-2 Bills are quite good this year. They feature the league’s third best rushing team, whereas the Browns don’t offer much as far as run defense. If Cleveland had any chance of making the postseason, it had to start with a victory over Buffalo.

 

Luckily, the Browns escaped with a 19-16 home win (their first of season) with the help of two missed Steve Hauschka field goals.

[thebandit27]

25 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Sorry but I have no faith in foster successfully tracking an oblong object in the air.  He just can’t seem to do it.

 

More or less agree, but that ball was on the money. He'd have caught it and scored, and Ward knew it. Really smart play by him.

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Gotta look at the tape and earn the right I guess. 

No, you don’t. The Process dictates the number of WRs who should be active.  The Process dictates that it is more important to have ST RBs, FBs and penalty prone TEs active on game day than an extra WR who possesses a skill set that our woefully inadequate group do not otherwise possess.

 

i don’t care about The Process any longer. I tried, really, I did. I had high hopes for this group but those hopes continue to be beaten down as I see the same excuses over and over. The same missteps. Results matter.

[Bangarang]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

A year away from when Brady hopefully stops playing for NE. That could happen next year if reports are to be believed. Also, BB got his 300th victory, so that may be a sign. I'm approaching these possibilities with a healthy amount of skepticism, but one can hope. Until it happens, the Bills won't have chance to win the division. 

I was hoping that in the 4th year, McD would have this team good enough to compete for the division regardless of whether Brady or BB were still around. 
 

If we’re still hoping to squeak in as a WC team next year then this regime and probably the QB they picked aren’t what we hoped they would be.

[3rdand12]

On 11/10/2019 at 5:00 PM, Agent 91 said:

Allen HAS to wake up. He can not be allowed to put the ball on the carpet

 And he cant be allowed to sleepwalk to start the game. Levi and run d not withstsnding...  we held them to 19 points. I just cant deal with the constant passes for Allen. The reason he keeps coming back in the 4th... is because he never puts anyone to bed early 

I am aware it his second year and he has a ton on his plate. Plus a New Cast of characters surrounding him.
Just frustrating times for us fans.
gotta give our young QB and OC and players 3 years.
we just gotta

On 11/10/2019 at 5:01 PM, clearwater cadet said:

We suck and the sabres are just as sh#ty!

should we create a hot line. just in case...

: )

[Blank Stare]

6 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Therein lies the problem!!! But, yeah, don't run and not have two of your receivers active? I really want Duke to get more involved in the offense.

I don’t agree with the game plan from the start, but I’m with ya if that’s going to be the game plan. I’m not one of those guys that thinks we need to be balanced pass vs. run, but the way we’ve used arguably our best weapon (Singletary) is criminal. 

3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

No, you don’t. The Process dictates the number of WRs who should be active.  The Process dictates that it is more important to have ST RBs, FBs and penalty prone TEs active on game day than an extra WR who possesses a skill set that our woefully inadequate group do not otherwise possess.

 

i don’t care about The Process any longer. I tried, really, I did. I had high hopes for this group but those hopes continue to be beaten down as I see the same excuses over and over. The same missteps. Results matter.

Lol. Sounds like I need a new handle. 
 

In all seriousness, I’m not quite where you are yet because I do think organizationally we are on better footing (no rex pun intended) than when they got here. But it’s becoming much harder to overlook/defend some of these decisions. Neglecting the offensive skill position players in an offensive, pass-oriented league is insane. If that’s The Process, then “for those reasons, I’m out”. 

[Cripple Creek]

9 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I don’t agree with the game plan from the start, but I’m with ya if that’s going to be the game plan. I’m not one of those guys that thinks we need to be balanced pass vs. run, but the way we’ve used arguably our best weapon (Singletary) is criminal. 

Lol. Sounds like I need a new handle. 
 

In all seriousness, I’m not quite where you are yet because I do think organizationally we are on better footing (no rex pun intended) than when they got here. But it’s becoming much harder to overlook/defend some of these decisions. Neglecting the offensive skill position players in an offensive, pass-oriented league is insane. If that’s The Process, then “for those reasons, I’m out”. 

We are in much the same place.  I had very high hopes for this HC/GM pairing, but my confidence wanes as they make the same excuses week after week. 

[billsfan89]

It was a frustrating game but not the end of the world. The Bills need to win the next two games (a loss at Miami or home for Denver in my mind means the team does not make the playoffs most likely) or it is doom and gloom. But a super close away loss to a talented but under achieving Browns team doesn't mean the season is over and Josh is JP Losman 2.0. 

 

1- The defense was looking like it was going to have an Eagles type game but that goal line stand was tremendous and revitalized them. They did end up giving up the final drive but if your defense gives up 19 points you still should be able to win. 

2- The offense was frustrating, Josh made some good throws, made some bad throws, but his poor execution on critical plays cost them the game. 

3- Bojo had his best game, one great punt and all his other punts were quality plays. Really impressed by him, hopefully he keeps that up, still nervous about him overall. 

4- Haush is a huge concern, I get that a 50+ yarder isn't a gimme but his kicking from 50+ hasn't been there all season. I just really question if he is a good kicker anymore. He was so awesome in 2017 but in 2018 he was fairly average and not that great again in 2019. 

5- The pass rush is still a concern, the Bills got two sacks from their linebackers but the front 4 was once again not consistent. 

 

Overall it was just a frustrating game that the Bills couldn't close out on defense or get it together on offense. but the Browns are not a bad team they will finish with 7-8 wins maybe even 9 wins. The Bills still have two very winnable games coming up. Keep Calm. 

[CincyBillsFan]

On 11/10/2019 at 11:50 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

 

And after Minnesota's 28 - 24 victory over Dallas we can add another QB who threw for well under 300 yards winning a game against a QB who just missed hitting 400 yards!

 

That brings the total today to 10 games won by QB's who did not hit 300 yards passing with only 1 of the QB's who passed 300 yards winning their game.

 

 

 

And we close out the week with the eleventh game won by a QB who didn't get anywhere near 300 yards and had FIVE quarters to do it in. 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

42 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

And we close out the week with the eleventh game won by a QB who didn't get anywhere near 300 yards and had FIVE quarters to do it in. 

 

 

 

We all love big passing days, but it's crazy to me how many stat-hounds here can't seem to fathom the goal of the game is to get the ball across the opponents goal line or through their uprights.  I mean this is football 101.  

[Jrb1979]

1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

We all love big passing days, but it's crazy to me how many stat-hounds here can't seem to fathom the goal of the game is to get the ball across the opponents goal line or through their uprights.  I mean this is football 101.  

I don't need big passing days to show me that a QB isn't good. I'm sorry but to win in this league you have to be able to score with big yardage plays. So far Allen and the offense have yet to show me they can. You aren't going to score much if you need 10 play drives to get down the field.

[BobbyC81]

On 11/10/2019 at 1:18 PM, Koko78 said:

Stupid playcalling.

 

How many times has Daboll called a bomb on 3rd and 4th and short this season?

 

Unfortunately, unless you were on the field or the sideline, you don’t know if it was the play call, an option on the play called, Josh audibling or just winging it.

[Chandler#81]

21 minutes ago, ColeB said:

 

Unfortunately, unless you were on the field or the sideline, you don’t know if it was the play call, an option on the play called, Josh audibling or just winging it.

That’s never this gang from shredding every Bill involved with it.

[Teddy KGB]

12 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

 

 

However, I don’t consider any game an “easy game”. They can easily lose Sunday to the Dolphins. I actually think the chances are high they do lose

 

 

 

Ok, Boomer 

[Coach Tuesday]

Watching Clowney and Gordon contribute to the Hawks’ win last night was frustrating.  I’ll leave it at that for now.

[GG]

54 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Watching Clowney and Gordon contribute to the Hawks’ win last night was frustrating.  I’ll leave it at that for now.

 

Yup.  It's the mindset that this team didn't need help at those positions when they could have made a run at those players, but then blaming the lack of QB pressure and more playmakers for the losses.  Can't have it both ways.

[apuszczalowski]

Just now, GG said:

 

Yup.  It's the mindset that this team didn't need help at those positions when they could have made a run at those players, but then blaming the lack of QB pressure and more playmakers for the losses.  Can't have it both ways.

But they need to save those picks

Good teams only draft players, they don't waste draft picks getting established players. The will just go into the draft next year and get a younger Clowney and Gordon.....

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

We all love big passing days, but it's crazy to me how many stat-hounds here can't seem to fathom the goal of the game is to get the ball across the opponents goal line or through their uprights.  I mean this is football 101.  

 

They overvalue the 300 yard passing game because they're trying to win Fantasy Football games and it's easy to mistake reality with fantasy as a football fan.  I do it every year as a Bills fan when I think that this might be the year we win a Super Bowl!

 

[GG]

1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

But they need to save those picks

Good teams only draft players, they don't waste draft picks getting established players. The will just go into the draft next year and get a younger Clowney and Gordon.....

 

The shine is certainly losing its luster.  Beane & McDermott like to stockpile late round picks, even though only 1 out of their 11 picks in Rds 5+ has panned out.  Beane is at 0 so far.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Probably so.  And I certainly prefer taking chances to the “Gallipoli Offense” strategy of repeatedly slamming a running back into a wall with little hope of success.  Allen needs to bail out his OC by hitting one or two of these chances...

 

We do know that there is some middle ground between slamming an RB into a wall and taking deep shots?

[CincyBillsFan]

13 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

 

I actually agree with this.... I also didn’t think Josh had as bad a game as everyone here seems to think. He made some pretty terrific throws and the same bad overthrows going deep. 

 

However, I don’t consider any game an “easy game”. They can easily lose Sunday to the Dolphins. I actually think the chances are high they do lose..... and I absolutely hate McDermotts overall philosophy of playing scared. They aren’t going anywhere until that changes or he’ll be gone sooner rather then later.

 

 

 

Agree 100%.  Watching a replay of the highlights and you can see Allen making some terrific throws for chunk yardage.  And let's not forget that his first deep ball was on target and drew a 40 yard pass interference penalty.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

I don't need big passing days to show me that a QB isn't good. I'm sorry but to win in this league you have to be able to score with big yardage plays. So far Allen and the offense have yet to show me they can. You aren't going to score much if you need 10 play drives to get down the field.

 

3 of the Browns 4 scores against us took place after 13, 10, and 10 play drives.

We scored 4x against the Redskins for 24 points on 8, 12, 11, and 8 play drives

Without scores from 9 and 14 play drives, Eagles win is a 1-score game

 

I think those scores all count.

 

Can quick strike drives be devastating and run up the score, sure, but people get fixated on them.  I'm concerned that the Bills offense is getting a little too focused on trying to force big chunk plays instead of taking what we can get, moving the chains cutting down the miscues, and trusting the big hits will come.

[starrymessenger]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Watching Clowney and Gordon contribute to the Hawks’ win last night was frustrating.  I’ll leave it at that for now.

 

Not trying to be a malcontent and so really just daydreaming but Gordon was money for nothing and it would also have been nice to have landed Sanders. Gordon, Sanders, Brown, Beasly, that's potentially a receiving corps that might have benefitted Allen and transformed the offence. Add in more balanced offensive game plans and improved play calls and we could well have been in a better place heading into the remaining schedule. I understand that it's never that simple. They (Gordon, Sanders) would have to absorb the playbook quickly (though as vets they might soon have been up to speed) and of course there could be a risk of an uneven transition in the clubhouse and on the field but the countervailing argument would be that you rarely get an opportunity in a playoff run to completely upgrade your talent on one side of the ball. And except for Brown and Beasly the WR group will probably wind up being completely overhauled anyway. So I guess the question is whether we are too conservative. Competitive teams seem to go out and recruit people aggressively.

Edited November 12, 2019 by starrymessenger

[Radar]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

3 of the Browns 4 scores against us took place after 13, 10, and 10 play drives.

We scored 4x against the Redskins for 24 points on 8, 12, 11, and 8 play drives

Without scores from 9 and 14 play drives, Eagles win is a 1-score game

 

I think those scores all count.

 

Can quick strike drives be devastating and run up the score, sure, but people get fixated on them.  I'm concerned that the Bills offense is getting a little too focused on trying to force big chunk plays instead of taking what we can get, moving the chains cutting down the miscues, and trusting the big hits will come.

Thank you. Fans love the big plays but it's consistently moving that chains that win games. So sick the got to throw deep mentality.

3 hours ago, GG said:

 

The shine is certainly losing its luster.  Beane & McDermott like to stockpile late round picks, even though only 1 out of their 11 picks in Rds 5+ has panned out.  Beane is at 0 so far.

Agree. We continue to look for new rather than proven with both franchises.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Radar said:

Thank you. Fans love the big plays but it's consistently moving that chains that win games. So sick the got to throw deep mentality.

 

What's interesting is the disconnect I think between what McDermott and Daboll hear and answer, vs what the fans hear.

 

McDermott and Daboll will hear a question about "chunk plays" and scoring more points, and they're thinking of it broadly.  A screen pass that breaks for 20-25 yds.  A run, ditto.  An intermediate 10-15 yd pass that breaks for 10 YAC.  These are all plays that if you get a couple of them, you score from standard starting field position.  Or yes, a 30 yd throw.

 

The fans hear the same question, and they think "we need Allen to hit on those >30 yard throws"

[3rdand12]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

?

it was pretty funny, for all the wrong reasons though.

I think he jokingly called to over the hill and out of touch.

 

 

  (hides while ducking )

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We do know that there is some middle ground between slamming an RB into a wall and taking deep shots?

you don't mean the intermediate pass game we all complained about last year with Allen. The screen passes we complained about not getting from Daboll.

 That middle ground ?

[clearwater cadet]

On 11/11/2019 at 6:57 PM, 3rdand12 said:

I am aware it his second year and he has a ton on his plate. Plus a New Cast of characters surrounding him.
Just frustrating times for us fans.
gotta give our young QB and OC and players 3 years.
we just gotta

should we create a hot line. just in case...

: )

I'm ready for a short rope and a large cliff