Augie Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Can we just put the Patriots in the AFCW, then move THEM to London? That seems fair, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, Augie said: Can we just put the Patriots in the AFCW, then move THEM to London? That seems fair, right? How many comp picks would they get per year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 I do wonder if the team that ends up in London will change its name to the London Fog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: How many comp picks would they get per year? Well, that's the thing. Comp picks land half way between London (home) and the west coast (the general conference locale), so tight around Buffalo. We deserve a break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: Well, that's the thing. Comp picks land half way between London (home) and the west coast (the general conference locale), so tight around Buffalo. We deserve a break! Speculation is great on possible division realignments but it as realistic as fantasy or madden football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 If there is to be a team outside the U.S., it will be In London. But, if I'm going to London, it won't be for an NFL game. There's just too much more there worthwhile to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: The mouth on that guy! Translation: We will be moving there as fast as humanly possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Dkollidas said: Does the league really believe players would sign up to play for a team located in London? 1) living on a different continent let alone another country. 2) the travel the London players would have to make (imagine flying from London for s game IN San Francisco/Los Angeles/Seattle) 3) Zero fan base at all. Lack of knowledge of the sport among the fans. i think they’d be overpaying for less value just to get guys to play there, as well as being stuck with not having premier players interested in signing with them. I could see it going as far as draft eligible players telling the London team not to pick them bc the player would hold out if they were selected by London. 3) is not true. As for would players refuse to sign for a London team.... maybe. But London is one of the greatest places to live in the world. If players can put up with living in Green Bay and Cleveland I struggle to understand why they would be so outraged by London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: As for would players refuse to sign for a London team.... maybe. But London is one of the greatest places to live in the world. If players can put up with living in Green Bay and Cleveland I struggle to understand why they would be so outraged by London. It truly is, but it isn't just a question of living in London. It is a question of living there while having to work in the US, which would take up a good portion of your away game's week, and have quite an impact on your body. In addition, the demographic that would rightly judge London as a great place to live is not the same as NFL free agents. I did a (then) New Jersey Nets charter there, and they didn't like going there to play at all. Edited November 6, 2019 by sherpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: The mouth on that guy! I hope he enjoys 50,000 opposing fans (if he's lucky) cheer against his team next year. The only way the LA two team experiment was going to work was if the Rams and Raiders moved there. Raiders fans travel well. Chargers were the one's who should've moved to Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 3:35 AM, Dan Darragh said: Move them to the AFC East then move the Bills to the AFC North with natural rivals Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Cincinnati can move to the west where they'd play against KC. Location-wise, would actually make more sense to move Buffalo to Afc north with Pitt, Cle, and Cin... and then Baltimore to the Afc East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: 3) is not true. As for would players refuse to sign for a London team.... maybe. But London is one of the greatest places to live in the world. If players can put up with living in Green Bay and Cleveland I struggle to understand why they would be so outraged by London. Untrue and amazingly ironic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 All of a Bills division rivalries are stale with the team’s 20 year streak of not winning 10 games, the dominance of the pats and sustained poor To mediocre play of Miami and the Jets. No better time to reshuffle than now but in no way would I want London. Lake Erie division would be fun. The league will not touch important rivalries. That’s why Dallas stays in the NFC east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: 3) is not true. As for would players refuse to sign for a London team.... maybe. But London is one of the greatest places to live in the world. If players can put up with living in Green Bay and Cleveland I struggle to understand why they would be so outraged by London. Well from my experience it is English cooking. I worked in a town outside RAF Molesworth and while the kipper was not bad the rest of the food was too oily except for some sandwiches at a deli counter. I did not have a car first trip so I walked a long hike to only Chinese restaurant (take out) in area, It looked like a menu at home so I ordered a dish I usually eat and when I saw the cook dump a large slab of lard in wok I grimaced, When my order was done I walked out, dropped order in garbage can and walked back to my hotel and ate one of the sandwiches (more like a mini sub by bread) for dinner. I am sure there is better cooking in some areas but every restaurant in that town I was living in on first trip there used large amount of lard and I did not want a diet more suitable for a lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Bills should be in a division with Steelers, Bengals, and Browns. Baltimore should be in the East with Patriots, Jets, London. South should be Miami, Colts, Titans, Jags. West should be Houston, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Denver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Well from my experience it is English cooking. The food in London is fantastic. The grocery store deli sections have great options as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: Bills should be in a division with Steelers, Bengals, and Browns. Baltimore should be in the East with Patriots, Jets, London. South should be Miami, Colts, Titans, Jags. West should be Houston, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Denver isnt the general accepted story/rumor that the Bills were pegged to make that move in 2002, but Ralph Wilson nixed it due to the ever-so-captivating Miami "rivalry"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: 3) is not true. As for would players refuse to sign for a London team.... maybe. But London is one of the greatest places to live in the world. If players can put up with living in Green Bay and Cleveland I struggle to understand why they would be so outraged by London. My understanding is that there are no professional sports teams and no highly paid professional team-sport athletes in London. 21 hours ago, peterpan said: If I was a player, I'd outright refuse to play for the London team. I could see many other players doing the same. Mexico City?? How will it play over in the media when a star players kid gets kidnapped? If this happens those two teams will be permanent expansion teams. They'll only be able to get players with no other options. Right, there are no professional athlete superstars playing team sports who are from outside the UK and who actively choose to play for London-based teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 17 hours ago, Whites Bay said: 99.9% true. But there are a couple of flights that leave the East Coast at 8:00-ish in the morning and arrive in London about 8:00-ish at night. It's actually an almost sane feeling to get off the rig, clear customs, head for the airport hotel (a.k.a. "bar") and go to bed at a normal time. You're so wiped out by the jet lag that you get a decent night of sleep and wake up in the morning when the rest of the country does. This doesn't work for the West Coast, however. That's where the system would break down. I know these guys are tough, young athletes, but it would just F**K with their metabolisms. Vegas would rightly have them as dogs every time they went to the West Coast. I fly to the UK for work from NY with some frequency and it's quite easy to get an 8 am flight out of JFK. I suffer no jet lag as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I fly to the UK for work from NY with some frequency and it's quite easy to get an 8 am flight out of JFK. I suffer no jet lag as a result. The point wasn't that it can't be done. Of course it an be done. The military does it frequently. The point is that those times carry significant restrictions on route and altitude, and result in more expensive, time consuming operating costs. The airspace that is closed off to those flights is 300-400 miles wide, varies daily, is the most efficient routing, and includes any altitude from 29,000-41,000', avoids most weather, which is not all that frequent in the North Atlantic, but is much more difficult to get clearance around. That is a very significant corridor. The sweet spot for airliners, and the same exists on the way back, but at late afternoon and early evening hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 52 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Well from my experience it is English cooking. I worked in a town outside RAF Molesworth and while the kipper was not bad the rest of the food was too oily except for some sandwiches at a deli counter. I did not have a car first trip so I walked a long hike to only Chinese restaurant (take out) in area, It looked like a menu at home so I ordered a dish I usually eat and when I saw the cook dump a large slab of lard in wok I grimaced, When my order was done I walked out, dropped order in garbage can and walked back to my hotel and ate one of the sandwiches (more like a mini sub by bread) for dinner. I am sure there is better cooking in some areas but every restaurant in that town I was living in on first trip there used large amount of lard and I did not want a diet more suitable for a lineman. No problem finding good food in London I assure you. Rural Cambridgeshire might be a bit more of a trial but I am pretty sure they won't get an NFL team there any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 33 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: isnt the general accepted story/rumor that the Bills were pegged to make that move in 2002, but Ralph Wilson nixed it due to the ever-so-captivating Miami "rivalry"? Yea it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 It does kind of have a nice ring to it tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: My understanding is that there are no professional sports teams and no highly paid professional team-sport athletes in London. Right, there are no professional athlete superstars playing team sports who are from outside the UK and who actively choose to play for London-based teams. It is mind boggling to me that people honestly think London is a less attractive place to live for highly paid young athletes than some of the US cities that have NFL teams. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is mind boggling to me that people honestly think London is a less attractive place to live for highly paid young athletes than some of the US cities that have NFL teams. Whilst listening to Golic and Gang this morning, they did an exercise in which they used Goff's $24 million deal to illustrate the impact taxes would have on NFL players if a team's home base were to be London. I may have the exact numbers slightly off, but it will still resonate. They said that after US taxes and UK taxes, that a player with a $24 million/4-year contract would end up pocketing $4 million when all said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Whilst listening to Golic and Gang this morning, they did an exercise in which they used Goff's $24 million deal to illustrate the impact taxes would have on NFL players if a team's home base were to be London. I may have the exact numbers slightly off, but it will still resonate. They said that after US taxes and UK taxes, that a player with a $24 million/4-year contract would end up pocketing $4 million when all said and done. I’m sure the nfl would figure out a way around this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Whilst listening to Golic and Gang this morning, they did an exercise in which they used Goff's $24 million deal to illustrate the impact taxes would have on NFL players if a team's home base were to be London. I may have the exact numbers slightly off, but it will still resonate. They said that after US taxes and UK taxes, that a player with a $24 million/4-year contract would end up pocketing $4 million when all said and done. Lemme go out on a limb and say that they have no f**king idea what they're talking about. London is one the most notorious tax-exile locales in the developed world. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/wealth-management/121515/top-10-european-tax-havens.asp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Go to Nandos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Lemme go out on a limb and say that they have no f**king idea what they're talking about. London is one the most notorious tax-exile locales in the developed world. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/wealth-management/121515/top-10-european-tax-havens.asp Plus, long before a decision is made the tax issue would be addressed between the two countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 well then I hope they kick us out of the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 14 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: Translation: We will be moving there as fast as humanly possible. Actually...Mike Florio floated today that all this London info is being put out by the Rams (via Ram reporters). They don't want the Chargers to succeed in LA...after all, that is their market. They are competing with the fans for PSLs. No better way to win over the fan base than to discredit the Chargers as only being a "short-term" LA team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 it would be simpler than people think. probably with 6 or 8 straight home games to cut down the back and forth travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Gugny said: Whilst listening to Golic and Gang this morning, they did an exercise in which they used Goff's $24 million deal to illustrate the impact taxes would have on NFL players if a team's home base were to be London. I may have the exact numbers slightly off, but it will still resonate. They said that after US taxes and UK taxes, that a player with a $24 million/4-year contract would end up pocketing $4 million when all said and done. If they were getting taxed twice, sure. But they shouldn't be taxed twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: If they were getting taxed twice, sure. But they shouldn't be taxed twice. It sounded odd to me, too. But he (Jason Fitz) prefaced by saying he did his research. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: It sounded odd to me, too. But he (Jason Fitz) prefaced by saying he did his research. The next time I take anything Jason Fitz says as gospel will be the first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: It sounded odd to me, too. But he (Jason Fitz) prefaced by saying he did his research. If the prices in London were cheaper than in Buffalo to see a game - would you root for them? I mean it's only a 6 hour flight and might be quicker than your drive into Buffalo? Just curious Edited November 6, 2019 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 For the record if someone wants to send me to work in Europe for a few years on a several million dollar salary per year, I'm in! My friends just lived in Barcelona for the last three years (working for an American company in their Euro outpost), they said it was the best thing they every did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: If the prices in London were cheaper than in Buffalo to see a game - would you root for them? I mean it's only a 6 hour flight and might be quicker than your drive into Buffalo? Just curious I'm actually going to move in with @GunnerBill and become a soccer fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I'm actually going to move in with @GunnerBill and become a soccer fan. that sounds awful chummy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm actually going to move in with @GunnerBill and become a soccer fan. We get the baseball now on BT Sport / ESPN. I mean it is still boring as hell but it's on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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