YoloinOhio Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 The guy’s been balling,” safety Jordan Poyer said of Phillips. “It’s hard to keep him off the field. He brings a lot of energy to our team, brings a lot of juice to our team. ... He's a great player. He's going to continue to play well for us.” Coach Sean McDermott agreed with that assessment. He gave Phillips his first start of the season against the Redskins. Phillips moving into the starting lineup would be a significant development on its own, but that significance is heightened by who he moved in front of – first-round draft pick Ed Oliver. That shows McDermott is being truthful when he says jobs are earned. By any measure, Phillips has been the more impactful player through the first eight games of the season. “I think it says a lot about our coaching staff, that they can trust the process and give the job to whoever they think has earned it in practice. That's tough to do in the business and in this league,” defensive end Trent Murphy said. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Ouch man. This pick is looking far worse than I thought it would. I hope he turns it around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Not a good development for our Top 10 pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 How much would we be looking at to re-sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Ouch man. This pick is looking far worse than I thought it would. I hope he turns it around He was replaced with a guy that has 6 sacks on the season. You would rather your rookie get outplayed by a GOOD player than have your rookie be downright bad. In a perfect world, Oliver is that good player, but its not like Oliver is bad. He is just a rookie. 17 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Oliver is in trouble. His ceiling was Aaron Donald. His floor was, well, I don’t know. He’s an undersized, squat DT who hasn’t been super effective rushing the passer. I’m not sure what his role in the defense is at his level of play right now. Still extremely early in his career, but I can understand why McD is limiting his role. 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He was replaced with a guy that has 6 sacks on the season. You would rather your rookie get outplayed by a GOOD player than have your rookie be downright bad. In a perfect world, Oliver is that good player, but its not like Oliver is bad. He is just a rookie. I’d rather my pass rushing rookie DT get 9 sacks like Donald, or 6 like Dareus, not benched at 6-2 with the run defense imploding since the 3rd round pick last year got hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Not a good development for our Top 10 pick. He was just traumatized by the snowfall the night before. He will get back on track next week. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Oliver is in trouble. His ceiling was Aaron Donald. His floor was, well, I don’t know. He’s an undersized, squat DT who hasn’t been super effective rushing the passer. I’m not sure what his role in the defense is at his level of play right now. Still extremely early in his career, but I can understand why McD is limiting his role. I’d rather my pass rushing rookie DT get 9 sacks like Donald, or 6 like Dareus, not benched at 6-2 with the run defense imploding since the 3rd round pick last year got hurt. Yes, that is why I described that scenario as "in a perfect world." My point is only that it is better to get your playing time cut when the guy taking your spot is a 6 sack player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. SpacePuppy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Such a terrible pick. A top ten pick should produce. This ones a whiffer big time. We don't even need him when the Phillips brothers are in. Should have grabbed a reciever or guard Edited November 4, 2019 by Mr. SpacePuppy 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Yeah Phillips really has earned it. Oliver hasn't been bad but you play the better player right now and that's Phillips. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Come on now JA crowd!!! How many starts has this kid had? Can’t judge #91! He has only played half a season!! LOL. Edited November 4, 2019 by nedboy7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Sit down rook, big J is gonna show how it's done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 He's not even fully grown into his body yet. He won't be 22 until December. Sometimes these guys transform after a full off season of strength and conditioning. It's disappointing that he's not there yet, but it's not concerning. 8 games into the 2020 season, if he's still invisible, then we have a problem imo. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He was replaced with a guy that has 6 sacks on the season. You would rather your rookie get outplayed by a GOOD player than have your rookie be downright bad. In a perfect world, Oliver is that good player, but its not like Oliver is bad. He is just a rookie. Yes, Oliver has played well from what I can tell. But tough to sit Phillips. It’s a good rotation. I think the 18 snaps from Oliver was because skins didn’t pass much. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Mr. SpacePuppy said: Such a terrible pick. A top ten pick should produce. This ones a whiffer big time. We don't even need him with Phillips brothers. Should have grabbed a reciever or guard Yep...Harrison Phillips has been outstanding this year every game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Yep...Harrison Phillips has been outstanding this year every game. *Jordan I miss Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: *Jordan I miss Harry It was a joke. He said we don't need Oliver because of Harrison Phillips....well Phillips isn't playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes, Oliver has played well from what I can tell. But tough to sit Phillips. It’s a good rotation. I think the 18 snaps from Oliver was because skins didn’t pass much. What happens on third down? Is Star taken out and replaced by Phillips, and Oliver is put in at the other DT spot. That would happen in a perfect world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Quinnen Williams isn't doing anything either. Maybe, just maybe, teams shouldn't draft DT's in the Top 10. I'd use Oliver as a pass rushing DT this year because he needs an offseason of strength and conditioning to become an all around NFL DT. He's being supplanted in the rotation by one of the best DT's in the NFL.... so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yep...Harrison Phillips has been outstanding this year every game. He was invisible on sunday. 1 minute ago, Capco said: He's not even fully grown into his body yet. He won't be 22 until December. Sometimes these guys transform after a full off season of strength and conditioning. It's disappointing that he's not there yet, but it's not concerning. 8 games into the 2020 season, if he's still invisible, then we have a problem imo. I believe there were whispers that Oliver’s coaches at Houston thought his frame couldn’t handle much more playing weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Pay the man. He wants to be here, he loves it here, and he’s earned it. You can’t ever have too many guys who affect the QB. 10 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 On the 'Skins' first three-and-out, the third-down incompletion was caused by Oliver, who crushed the pocket from the middle. I was kind of surprised we didn't see him much for the rest of the game but it's not because he's playing badly - he's playing well. IMO Oliver played the run much better than Phillips did against the Eagles. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 With the selection of both Edmunds and Oliver the Bills front office appear to have bought into the line that the modern NFL was going to be played by a bunch of medium sized fast guys, much like the NBA. Unfortunately for them, size kills and the trenches are still dominated by really big guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: So why is Star getting so many snaps? Because he isn't playing as bad you stubbornly think he is. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes, Oliver has played well from what I can tell. But tough to sit Phillips. It’s a good rotation. I think the 18 snaps from Oliver was because skins didn’t pass much. Rookie in his first ever start, on the road and a defense looking vulnerable in run defense. I think we just wanted size. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Capco Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Because he isn't playing as bad you stubbornly think he is. I was just about to say that. Star is doing exactly what a big 1-tech DT does, and he does it pretty consistently. If you play 1-tech and are never, ever, ever moved off the ball by two 300lb offensive lineman, you are probably the best 1-tech to ever play the game. Some people need to temper their expectations. Star isn't a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. SpacePuppy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It was a joke. He said we don't need Oliver because of Harrison Phillips....well Phillips isn't playing. no *****, but when he was in he killed it. He plays his gap, bats balls and provides pressure. When he's back next year and we re-sign Jordan....Oliver is not needed. He'll end up being a situational rotation guy. Not a stud. He is way too undersized and gets man handled out there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Rookie in his first ever start, on the road and a defense looking vulnerable in run defense. I think we just wanted size. That’s just the point though. Oliver being a third down pass rushing specialist when he hasn’t been all that effective at rushing the passer is uh, not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: ? the guy does nothing. Watch the tape. I think you honestly think you know more about McDermott's defense than McDermott. How much "tape" did you watch? Honestly answer this question. How much film, specifically breaking down Star have you watched? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: With the selection of both Edmunds and Oliver the Bills front office appear to have bought into the line that the modern NFL was going to be played by a bunch of medium sized fast guys, much like the NBA. Unfortunately for them, size kills and the trenches are still dominated by really big guys. Edmunds is medium sized? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said: no *****, but when he was in he killed it. He plays his gap, bats balls and provides pressure. When he's back next year and we re-sign Jordan....Oliver is not needed. He'll end up being a situational rotation guy. Not a stud. He is way too undersized and gets man handled out there. LOL. We don't a rotation of talent. We got two Phillips....that's it! Amazing how you can judge and entire career of a player in his first 8 games. 2 minutes ago, Capco said: I was just about to say that. Star is doing exactly what a big 1-tech DT does, and he does it pretty consistently. If you play 1-tech and are never, ever, ever moved off the ball by two 300lb offensive lineman, you are probably the best 1-tech to ever play the game. Some people need to temper their expectations. Star isn't a problem. Scott is as stubborn as a mule. He doesn't know the game, he doesn't watch film, he just likes to B word. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Pay the man. He wants to be here, he loves it here, and he’s earned it. You can’t ever have too many guys who affect the QB. agreed if cap is an issue, Cut star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Edmunds is medium sized? If you compare him to Shaquille O'Neal. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That’s just the point though. Oliver being a third down pass rushing specialist when he hasn’t been all that effective at rushing the passer is uh, not good. When I watch him in the pass rush he's getting pressure, just hasn' t had that extra split second to finish the job. Run game, he needs to continue working. Rather than focus on the negative of a rookie, I prefer to focus on the positive of what Phillips has brought. Oliver will have his place in the line as he goes forward. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: He was invisible on sunday. I believe there were whispers that Oliver’s coaches at Houston thought his frame couldn’t handle much more playing weight. At his age, it's not about pure weight. It's more about strength and leverage. Ed has to learn leverage and I hope he can. This next offseason he will add a lot of strength. Then as he ages, the weight can come. Edited November 4, 2019 by clayboy54 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: ? the guy does nothing. Watch the tape. Meanwhile universally any "watch the tape" guy on twitter or elsewhere, with any sort of actual football training or experience (Joe B. aside), has said Star is actually playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: agreed if cap is an issue, Cut star. With Harrison Phillips coming back, I will lose it if they don't pay Jordan Phillips because of the current investments on the DL. If I had to guess, Star and one of Murphy/Shaq aren't on this DL next year. We get Harry back to replace Star and go after Yannick Ngakue or draft a DE high in the Draft. Edited November 4, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Maybe McD should give Oliver some snaps at DE and see how he does. The Bills will have over $80M in cap space, so hopefully they'll be able to resign Phillips. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Ed will be fine. Jordan is currently the better player. He deserves the start imo. He’s gonna make at least 13 mill a year. If he keeps improving, he could make 17+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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