stony Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, wagon127 said: I do like Mike Schopp most of the time, but he was ridiculous in this segment. Sal knew he was talking crazy, and really called him out on it. I really disagree that trading up in drafts is wrong all the time. Especially if you can do it without trading away next year's 1st round pick. These are generally my thoughts, too. I think Sal's a OBD lackey now, but he wasn't wrong here. As for trades, I'm not a huge fan of trading up unless its for a QB. I think this was Mike's point (at least on Twitter earlier in the day). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Point differential is a good predictor of how good a team actually is. Of course there are many other variables, but to ignore it is back to "hoping" the team is good, which is totally useless. The Patriots always have a HUGE point differential because they run up the score How did that fare in the 13 - 3 SB win in February ?? 3-0 at halftime. so IMO they can take that 189 PD and file it in the How to cheat book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: The Patriots always have a HUGE point differential because they run up the score How did that fare in the 13 - 3 SB win in February ?? They why don’t more teams run up the score if it’s so easy to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: They why don’t more teams run up the score if it’s so easy to do? Because other teams take their starters out. Why risk injury to a star player when the other team just might be out to inflict pain. aka head hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkwoodus13 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 We didn't have to trade for QB. Watson and Mahomes fell right to us. We kill WhAley for trading up for Sammy. Lets see how the fans reacts next year if Josh is playing the same way. Right now he is a bigger Tyrod without the deep ball. This team is a decent veteran QB away from contending. Will Coach make the right call if he has too. Josh might need some veteran competition next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Because other teams take their starters out. Why risk injury to a star player when the other team just might be out to inflict pain. aka head hunt Yes, and the Bills have a low point differential because they take their starters out. LOL this is silly Patriots always have a big point differential because they’re great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: The Patriots always have a HUGE point differential because they run up the score How did that fare in the 13 - 3 SB win in February ?? 3-0 at halftime. so IMO they can take that 189 PD and file it in the How to cheat book You’re comparing the SB to regular season games against Miami and the Bengals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: The Patriots always have a HUGE point differential because they run up the score How did that fare in the 13 - 3 SB win in February ?? 3-0 at halftime. so IMO they can take that 189 PD and file it in the How to cheat book How did it fare? THEY WON THE SUPER BOWL. They went from the high scoring playoff games the 2 weeks prior, to winning a defensive struggle in the Super Bowl. His running up the score over the years, has given him plenty of experience in knowing how to make plays in any situation without costing his team. They don't win the super bowl every year, but they are in the top 4 every year. Really good teams, are able to win games, and have a positive point differential at the end of the year. This goes into the people who say "I don't care how we win, just win." I'm sorry in the long term, how you win matters too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Chas6969 said: Mike Franseca or Jim Rome he is not. Those 2 have National respect. I’m not so sure regarding the ‘respect’ part, but those two do have a bigger pool of dummies to fish out of. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I like sal though Yeah, he’s articulate. But he’s a shill, so his whole act is a con. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: As a Floridian, I listen via interweb because it’s the only Bills/Sabres talk shows during the day. I’m offended AND angry for sports fans from my beloved WNY. They’re the Only thing you have and it’s just so goddam bad. It’s like a daily competition from show to show to see who can be most amateur, unenlightened and unlistenable. Yet, they act like they’re Top 5 nationwide and absolute authorities on sports.. Sal & Schelp are just 2 of the dummies masquerading as sports announcers. It’s just so embarrassing. I bleed for you all.? I understand there are some really good Bills podcasts out there. Not sure about Sabres.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Schopp produces very strong reactions and discussion like no other in our market. That means he is masterfully doing his job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Schopp's playing a character. It's his job to elicit responses from people. I think the best way he's found to get those responses is to have unpopular opinions that he doesn't waver on. If he gets you riled up then he's done his job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yes, and the Bills have a low point differential because they take their starters out. LOL this is silly Patriots always have a big point differential because they’re great. 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You’re comparing the SB to regular season games against Miami and the Bengals? 1 hour ago, wagon127 said: How did it fare? THEY WON THE SUPER BOWL. They went from the high scoring playoff games the 2 weeks prior, to winning a defensive struggle in the Super Bowl. His running up the score over the years, has given him plenty of experience in knowing how to make plays in any situation without costing his team. They don't win the super bowl every year, but they are in the top 4 every year. Really good teams, are able to win games, and have a positive point differential at the end of the year. This goes into the people who say "I don't care how we win, just win." I'm sorry in the long term, how you win matters too. Wow it seems my Shady speak didn't translate well. Winning by 1 or winning by 40 only matters in rankings for tie breakers. Its the fans who have HUGE issues with it. Might I suggest you stop listening to those clowns for a few weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Essentially, midget wrestling. Only not as legit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Aireskoi said: To know and not to do, is not to know. You don't have to have played football to be a part of the radio coverage for a team, but it would help. Mike lives in the world of symbols (stats), the actual real thing doesn't matter as much. Like previously mentioned there is no stat for culture so it's not real or relevant to his super-smart brain. Also team culture is the most important thing, IMO. If you look at that picture closely, Bellichick is cheating a little to the left. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: should have gotten more laughs for that, that's funny as hell. Most of WGR staff is Wilkes Barre level talent at best. .....no offense to Wilkes Barre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Wow it seems my Shady speak didn't translate well. Winning by 1 or winning by 40 only matters in rankings for tie breakers. Its the fans who have HUGE issues with it. Might I suggest you stop listening to those clowns for a few weeks? Then, why do any teams bother with running up the score? You know, the teams that are usually in the playoffs year after year. Apparently the fans of the team that never makes the playoffs, know what's more important than the coaches and players of the teams that are in the playoffs almost all the time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 48 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Schopp produces very strong reactions and discussion like no other in our market. That means he is masterfully doing his job. That only counts if people are listening. I don't. I only find out about stuff about him here. 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Most of WGR staff is Wilkes Barre level talent at best. .....no offense to Wilkes Barre. Sad but true. Most of that staff are there thanks to inertia. No real competition so no need to put in any effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: That only counts if people are listening. I don't. I only find out about stuff about him here. A lot of people listen to him, and iirc he's one of the highest paid sports radio personalities in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said: A lot of people listen to him, and iirc he's one of the highest paid sports radio personalities in this area. .....including his tips ? Edited October 31, 2019 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Only not as legit. It's no Sky Low Low vs. Kid Chocolat, that's for sure... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Meh. That seemed like a really friendly conversation to me. The two of them are great at philosophical debate and etiquette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: A lot of people listen to him, and iirc he's one of the highest paid sports radio personalities in this area. Define a lot. His show is not top-rated. More middle of the pack. As for his salary, it's more a function of his and Bulldog's longevity. He's a known commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: The two of them are great at philosophical debate and etiquette. Seriously ? Maybe you should go for a walk or read a book. (Hi Hap....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Seriously ? Maybe you should go for a walk or read a book. (Hi Hap....) Ha. You don't have to be intelligent or knowledgeable to be good at debating or etiquette. "Philosophical" may not be an apt term, but the lack of objectivity in the discussion led me to it. ...I haven't read a book since The Boxcar Children in like, 1992. Books on tape are where it's at, yo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: Ha. You don't have to be intelligent or knowledgeable to be good at debating or etiquette. "Philosophical" may not be an apt term, but the lack of objectivity in the discussion led me to it. ...I haven't read a book since The Boxcar Children in like, 1992. Books on tape are where it's at, yo! I believe you believe in yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I liked him better in Rochester when my antenna was out of range 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pup33 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I think the most heated they've been was a few years ago in the offseason talking about tanking with the Browns as the starting point. It was an intense exchange, so much so that Schopp had to ask at the end if they were still good (the relationship between them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, wagon127 said: Then, why do any teams bother with running up the score? You know, the teams that are usually in the playoffs year after year. Apparently the fans of the team that never makes the playoffs, know what's more important than the coaches and players of the teams that are in the playoffs almost all the time..... Seriously? You've NEVER heard teams complain about an opponent running up the score? Belicheat and his EGO is famous for it. Even the JAGS were criticized for running up the score against the JETS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 49 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Define a lot. His show is not top-rated. More middle of the pack. As for his salary, it's more a function of his and Bulldog's longevity. He's a known commodity. I heard when he was on Schopp and the Coach he was making north of $120k/year. That was like 20 years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Lots of people tune into WGR. It probably doesnt match angry zombie radio 930, but they have what they have. Im curious to know how much is due to a 'captive' audience. I dont mind Schopp and appreciate his 'thoughtful approach' most of the time, although when he misses the mark with it, he misses bad. Schopp demands evidence, past performance, and facts for the most part. This is to a flaw sometimes because he puts zero stock in 'intangibles' like culture, development, tools, momentum, etc. The callers are also cringe-worthy, and with Schopp it is amplified because almost none come armed with any factual evidence to support their viewpoints. I dont think Bulldog brings anything to the table. I like the morning show as well... But overall, WGR is so stale, especially the afternoon show. I find the late night show with whatever entry level guys they have to be refreshing, as is the weekend shows. I also stumble on the Tim Graham show and Sullivan's show on 1270 sometimes and it is nice hearing a different format, different outlook, interviews, guests, etc. No callers (because not a lot of people listen) is also nice. I liked Bull's show on 1270 when it existed, although at the end he got a little hacky with his "wild jock" schtick. The Instigators went from being the worst thing ever with Sylvester and Peters to great in present day Edited October 31, 2019 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Schoop crushed Sal. Hate him or love him, Mike is 100% right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, McBean said: Schoop crushed Sal. Hate him or love him, Mike is 100% right. A lot easier to make his argument without knowing any of the facts. 29 other teams didn’t trade either. Maybe nobody was truly available.. How do we know Denver was willing to trade Sanders to us for what an NFC team gave them? Lots of unknowns. He’s operating under the assumption guys like AJ Green and Von Miller were available for reasonable returns. We’ll have money to go after a Scherff or Nagakue in the offseason... Were they even available?.. do either of them put us over the top? If not, why would we give up assets for guys we can make runs at in the offseason? I can’t fathom how anyone thinks this organization isn’t in a better place than before. Young QB, young talent, all our draft picks and a ton of cap space.. We’re actually positioned to be a contender, finally. Edited October 31, 2019 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Both guys are right. The organization is run better, and that sets them up for success (as Sal is suggesting), but there aren't any tangible results that show that they've actually arrived yet (as Schopp is saying). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 How are people denying that point differential means anything? No it is not the 100% rule of how good teams are; nothing is. But generally speaking after 7-8 games it shows a good correlation to how good you are. If NE is crushing teams that we are beating in a dog fight then its likely they are better than us. A one off game may not matter but if you have a decent sample size yes it does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, blacklabel said: Schopp's playing a character. It's his job to elicit responses from people. I think the best way he's found to get those responses is to have unpopular opinions that he doesn't waver on. If he gets you riled up then he's done his job. Even more so when someone hypes a segment of his on an online message board (whether they suspiciously seem like an employee of WGR or not) to drive more clicks and social media heat. The low-level, local engagement matters a lot more to Mike Scope than it does Jim Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Seriously? You've NEVER heard teams complain about an opponent running up the score? Belicheat and his EGO is famous for it. Even the JAGS were criticized for running up the score against the JETS. Of course I heard of it. I was trying to say, that I think running up the score, helps the development of your players, and sustained success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 15 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: How come every local sports show has a big dog or a mad dog or a bulldog? Funny point. Frequent listeners will know that every time Schopp and Bulldog interview someone of national repute or a "big name" if you will in the world of sports or broadcasting, Bulldog ALWAYS introduces himself, or refers to himself, as "Chris" and he ditches the "Bulldog" moniker because he knows it makes him look like a rank amateur from flyover country and is embarrassed by it. It's kind of funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 14 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Sal won the debate. Mike’s biggest metric for saying that the 2014 Bills teams are better is point differential? GTFOH No he didn't. Sal looked pretty stupid, because he is. 14 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I really don’t think they like eachother very much. Last year there was a time where I was listening and you could tell Sal just had enough. Schopp constantly makes very questionable statements and goes off them as if they are factual but never gets called out. Bulldog just lets him be and Sal wasn’t having it. I love it. Schopp and Jeremy are the 2 worst anywhere and I love when their bull#### gets called out They are total polar opposites and Mike is much brighter than Sal. They never would have sat at the same lunch table in a high school cafeteria, and Sal routinely voices opinions that go completely against Mike's views of sports. Usually, Mike restrains himself and treats Sal with respect as a colleague, giving him much more respect than Mike would give a caller who voices the same opinion as Sal. This time it was different, which is why it stood out to me and I posted it here. 12 hours ago, Bangarang said: I don’t think he has a problem with it at all. He actually encourages it. He’s stated many times that people calling in just to agree with him makes for boring radio. I think he likes a logical debate but far too often the callers provide less than that. He can be a royal prick though. Of course. Mike is very complimentary of good callers making good points that are backed up by data or logic, regardless if they agree with Mike's point of view or not. He routinely will say "That's how it's done!" after a good phone call. The callers he beats up on are the ones who come across as the dumbest person you know. And that makes up a lot of their callers. I agree, Mike can come across as an opinionated jerk; that's part of his personality . He's still the only on-air personality at that radio station worth listening to, IMO. 6 hours ago, Gugny said: I disagree with the "if you've never played organized sports you have no clue" mentality. But some of the longest-tenured coaches in NFL history are former players. And the best of all time has no playing experience at all. The view that says you must be a former athlete to comment on sports is grossly misplaced. 6 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Because why exactly? His points hit an uncomfortable nerve maybe? LOL. Yes, that is exactly it. Mike really triggers dumb people. I have found the lesser the intelligence, the greater the hated of S Schopp. This can be distilled into Nextmanup's Law: intelligence and hatred of Schopp vary inversely. 5 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: I normally defend Mike just for the fact it’s entertaining and I can turn he dial. However, he actually said point differential is more important than wins. That is just insane Are you sure about that? His point was that luck factors into wins and losses whereas point differential is a much more detailed analysis that involves a much broader sample size. We beat the Jets by 1 point. If a few small little bits of luck went differently, we would have lost. Does the "W" we got the day truly mean we were the better team? There is so much more to it than wins and losses, or point differential. Strength of schedule is huge, luck is huge, etc. etc. Mike's point is that it is actually difficult to draw a conclusion about "quality of team" as that is quite an amorphous thing to quantify. 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: Lots of people tune into WGR. It probably doesnt match angry zombie radio 930, but they have what they have. Im curious to know how much is due to a 'captive' audience. I dont mind Schopp and appreciate his 'thoughtful approach' most of the time, although when he misses the mark with it, he misses bad. Schopp demands evidence, past performance, and facts for the most part. This is to a flaw sometimes because he puts zero stock in 'intangibles' like culture, development, tools, momentum, etc. The callers are also cringe-worthy, and with Schopp it is amplified because almost none come armed with any factual evidence to support their viewpoints. I dont think Bulldog brings anything to the table. I like the morning show as well... But overall, WGR is so stale, especially the afternoon show. I find the late night show with whatever entry level guys they have to be refreshing, as is the weekend shows. I also stumble on the Tim Graham show and Sullivan's show on 1270 sometimes and it is nice hearing a different format, different outlook, interviews, guests, etc. No callers (because not a lot of people listen) is also nice. I liked Bull's show on 1270 when it existed, although at the end he got a little hacky with his "wild jock" schtick. The Instigators went from being the worst thing ever with Sylvester and Peters to great in present day You comments about Schopp are fairly accurate and fair. The one thing he misses the mark on, for me, is the way in which he totally divorces psychology from athletic performance on a field. I think it plays a huge role in the outcome of games; in Mike's world, it doesn't exist. That's because he's a huge GAMBLER and routinely obsesses over number crunching and game theory mathematics. He lives in a numbers world, which is funny as he is a professional broadcaster who probably never took an advanced statistics course in his life, or any sort of complex game theory mathematics course. 1 hour ago, McBean said: Schoop crushed Sal. Hate him or love him, Mike is 100% right. Yes, he did crush Sal. Straight up, Sal is not bright enough to win a debate with Mike. Contrary to what others have said in this thread, the fact that Sal fancies himself as some sort of former athlete and ex high school football assistant coach has nothing to do with that. Here is what folks at this board don't get. When Mike and Sal engage in debate, they are not competing on a football field, nor are they competing over pure "football knowledge". They are competing on the field of ideas, and Sal is sorely out of place there. A few weeks ago when Sal went after Howard Simon because Simon predicted a Bills loss to New England, I got really annoyed with Sal. Sal kept saying "It sounds like you are settling for the loss. I guess I am too competitive to do that." And it was like "Sal, what the hell are you talking about, you idiot?" Howard isn't on the team or coaching staff. He's not a part of the Bills organization. He's commenting on what he perceives to be the likely outcome of the game. That has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of "settling." Sal didn't get that. He doesn't get a lot of things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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