dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Of course you were..... since everyone knew what Mahomes was going to do, I wonder why BB didn’t give up his whole draft for the first overall pick and take Mahomes ? Andy Reid and Sean Payton were the two people who were all in on Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Gugny said: He didn't say anything. If he had balls, he'd have either said, "this team was set behind years by the previous GM and HC," or said, "Brandon Beane and I have already made bad decisions and we're trying to avoid making more," or both. But he said neither. His wording is cryptic and weak, if you ask me. He played the smart card- the NFL circle is small. No need to burn bridges or throw previous regimes under the bus. He took a shot across the bow in a classy way. IMO a very smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: What it says to me is that previous regimes sucked at their jobs, and this team has likely one or two more drafts before they are who we want them to be. A good number of fans will not wrap their collective heads around this reality, and will whine insensately for the duration of this season at a minimum. SM envisions a Steelers/Pats type of team organization and he knows we are not there yet. I get it, and am willing to wait, we still likely make the playoffs this year so we got that. Go Bills!!! Spot on Don. Could not agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) Edited October 30, 2019 by JoeF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 There's a time when the Bills signed/traded for big names just to out asses in the seats. I think he was saying they don't do that anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Whaley's trades for players: Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes Kiko Alonso for Lesean McCoy A fifth and a seventh for Matt Cassel and a sixth Trade deadline trades: I'm fairly certain the number under Whaley was zero. I believe he was referring to poor decisions overall not just those made at the trade deadline. He wasn’t inferring they all deals done at the trade deadline are bad. He was inferring that in answering the question about why no trades yesterday, there were deals they could have made that they ultimately didn’t deem responsible and that didn’t match up with their overall strategy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I can't think of any blockbuster trade deadline deals the Bills have executed in recent history. There was the KB trade. There was the year we got rid of Dareus, Glenn, Sammy, and paid Corey Coleman for 2 weeks of service but few view those moves poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Not to mention that EJ was really a Nix pick. There is no indication that Nix did anything in the Hughes trade, although it is possible. He was already out the door. He wasn't going to leave before getting a QB and he wanted EJ (amongst all of the other crappy choices). and you're absolutely right about the trade down and result. I do think that Whaley played a large role in the drafting of Manuel. He did all of the scouting and worked him out personally on a rainy day in FL. Fun fact: he was almost certainly the anonymous Bills front office person who talked down Matt Barkley after going to his pro day at USC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That wasn't a trade for a player, however. That's the issue. Also, with regard to Manuel, at least they traded down before taking him. They netted Alonso out of that, which they later turned into McCoy. While he was asked about trades, it’s pretty clear he was talking about “ irresponsible decisions”, which includes many things. Otherwise , he’d have said “ irresponsible trades”. Overall, it was a true and rather innocuous statement by McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 All joking aside, that was uncharacteristic of McD, which hints at possible dissent at the deadline in the front office. There was zero reason to offer that to the press, considering it's his GM who's been the most active in the trade market over the past decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: He played the smart card- the NFL circle is small. No need to burn bridges or throw previous regimes under the bus. He took a shot across the bow in a classy way. IMO a very smart move. No burn bridges or throw anyone under the bus would be to say, "We like the guys we have. We made and received calls trying to improve our team but the prices were too high for us to make a deal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Guess that means he learned his lesson when he traded a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: He played the smart card- the NFL circle is small. No need to burn bridges or throw previous regimes under the bus. He took a shot across the bow in a classy way. IMO a very smart move. I respectfully disagree. Classy would have not been saying anything at all. What he did was kind of slimy, in my opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: While he was asked about trades, it’s pretty clear he was talking about “ irresponsible decisions”, which includes many things. Otherwise , he’d have said “ irresponsible trades”. Overall, it was a true and rather innocuous statement by McD. Yeah, I know that, but the question was specifically about trades. As for the Bills acting responsibly or not before his arrival, I don't know. Their main problem was an inability to hit on a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Andy Reid and Sean Payton were the two people who were all in on Mahomes. No kidding, I remember it well. However, if it was that obvious to the all knowing , the dark lord in Foxboro would have been all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: No kidding, I remember it well. However, if it was that obvious to the all knowing , the dark lord in Foxboro would have been all over it. The dark lord may well have known and engineered it such that the one guy he knew he could beat in a crucial game, Andy Reid, would end up with Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 Isn’t it “mince” words? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Maybe just maybe it is frustration a deal didnt get done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: Yeah, I know that, but the question was specifically about trades. As for the Bills acting responsibly or not before his arrival, I don't know. Their main problem was an inability to hit on a QB. Well, most Bills fans do know. It was clear his answer wasn’t just referencing trades. . While the QB was obviously a big problem, there were many others involving draft picks, salary cap management etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I love it, this team is one draft and FA period away from winning the division...IF Josh Allen improves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: The dark lord may well have known and engineered it such that the one guy he knew he could beat in a crucial game, Andy Reid, would end up with Mahomes. One guy, lol. Anyway, nice try but it was hardly obvious and the reasons for what transpired are beyond well worn territory on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Benjabum revisited??......... I will say he was a bum but we dont make the playoffs without him. His TD against indy saved us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Well, most Bills fans do know. It was clear his answer wasn’t just referencing trades. . While the QB was obviously a big problem, there were many others involving draft picks, salary cap management etc. The lack of a good QB was always THE problem. The Bills ran out some very talented defenses, receivers, and RBs over the years. It's why they were never 2-14 despite bad quarterbacks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Pretty out of character for coach McD. I am going to give him a pass -- a tough week when the D was exposed a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: The lack of a good QB was always THE problem. The Bills ran out some very talented defenses, receivers, and RBs over the years. It's why they were never 2-14 despite bad quarterbacks. It wasn’t a successful formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) McDermott on no trades: "There have been too many years of irresponsible decision-making, let's just put it that way." .....speaking from experience ? The process clock is ticking down Sean. Edited October 30, 2019 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: The lack of a good QB was always THE problem. The Bills ran out some very talented defenses, receivers, and RBs over the years. It's why they were never 2-14 despite bad quarterbacks. Yup, and they backed themselves into a corner in Whaley's first year where they just had to draft one early, and it just so happened to be one of the worst years ever for QBs. They botched up the position for so long in so many different ways, obviously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: One guy, lol. Anyway, nice try but it was hardly obvious and the reasons for what transpired are beyond well worn territory on the forum. Andy Reid and Sean Peyton are two of the best QB evaluators and coaches in the league, period. They wanted him. I'd trust their opinion about his talent level coming out, and the fact that both wanted him tells you all you need to know. The fact that teams that kill QB careers for a living - Chicago and Buffalo - didn't take him tells me nothing. Edited October 30, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: That's the first clear-cut, no BS statement he's ever made and I applaud him for it. Just because you have money in your pocket, doesn't mean you have to go out and buy a Porsche or Benz....you can hold that money to assure future signings of your own elite, uninjured, non-headcase players. (No offense to the Versa Note owners on this board....ahem, @Gugny...ahem) You're gonna get the Lambo, though, right? Because if not I have a problem... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) Championship teams aren’t built in the middle of the season. Shooter! Edited October 30, 2019 by Shooter McGavin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Of course you were..... since everyone knew what Mahomes was going to do, I wonder why BB didn’t give up his whole draft for the first overall pick and take Mahomes ? Nobody really knows what ANY of these guys will do ... but it wont stop the narrative, and try as you might? It still reflects poorly on a teams decision making. We heard forever how "We coulda had Gronk, we coulda had Rogers",and those misses were part of the failure narrative for years (Except to Torell Troup) If Allen isn't the guy and Mahomes/Watson stay on their current trajectory? You're gonna hear about it for years to come Edited October 30, 2019 by AlCowlingsTaxiService typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I agree to a point but I also feel that if a team it's not maximizing there cap space every year they're not giving 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: McDermott on no trades: "There have been too many years of irresponsible decision-making, let's just put it that way." .....speaking from experience ? The process clock is ticking down Sean. Yeah, he is in real danger here... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Guess that means he learned his lesson when he traded a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin. I think this is right. That was a massively bad trade in retrospect. I can see being a little gunshy after that debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, Gugny said: He didn't say anything. If he had balls, he'd have either said, "this team was set behind years by the previous GM and HC," or said, "Brandon Beane and I have already made bad decisions and we're trying to avoid making more," or both. But he said neither. His wording is cryptic and weak, if you ask me. The coaches who are open with the fans and media just don't last very long, I'm sure McDermott knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Yeah, he is in real danger here... Yeah, mediocrity will buy him time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: The coaches who are open with the fans and media just don't last very long, I'm sure McDermott knows this. He's done pretty well in doing his best Belichick. This was a definite slip-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, I am the egg man said: Yeah, mediocrity will buy him time. I guess 5-2 is pretty mediocre... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I guess 5-2 is pretty mediocre... 0-2 against teams with a winning record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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