John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I have long been surmising that the QB path we were taking with Josh Allen was one similar with Mitch T. but it looks like he is really struggling right now....... He have similar traits....he has a strong D backing him up.....they went out and got him FA targets in the offseason.... Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: I have long been surmising that the QB path we were taking with Josh Allen was one similar with Mitch T. but it looks like he is really struggling right now....... He have similar traits....he has a strong D backing him up.....they went out and got him FA targets in the offseason.... Thoughts? I think the approach roster-wise is very similar. but schematically I disagree. it feels to me the bills are trying to develop Allen in a big boy offense while I think nagy gadgeted and tricked people enough scheme-wise to make trubisky look proficient. I think the league has caught up with it. this is my simple "fan" explanation. i'm sure theres much deeper issues. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I scratch my head with Daboll's play calling sometimes, but we should like the progress of Allen as an NFL QB, given his circumstances leading up to the draft and what he has had to work with as a professional, but............... Trubisky on the other hand.................. as Dick Enberg once coined this phrase..................... "Oh Myyyyyyyyyy" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, njbuff said: I scratch my head with Daboll's play calling sometimes, but we should like the progress of Allen as an NFL QB, given his circumstances leading up to the draft and what he has had to work with as a professional, but............... Trubisky on the other hand.................. as Dick Enberg once coined this phrase..................... "Oh Myyyyyyyyyy" ... RIP Dick......how come in Bflo fandom the "grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side" and how bad we effed up our picks principally with QB's?...hell I'd stay in school and get my PhD versus coming here and facing THIS expert (gauntlet)...SMH..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. Edited October 21, 2019 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ... RIP Dick......how come in Bflo fandom the "grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side" and how bad we effed up our picks principally with QB's?...hell I'd stay in school and get my PhD versus coming here and facing THIS expert (gauntlet)...SMH..... The back and forth is ok. That's why we come on this board. I think we are more interested in looking for posts that we disagree with than we agree with. Makes it fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I haven't watched a lot of Bears games, but yesterday his o-line wasn't giving him much time in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, MJS said: What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. He had 84 yards going into the 4th quarter vs. the Saints. Dude never throws the ball further than 2 yards down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Motor26 said: He had 84 yards going into the 4th quarter vs. the Saints. Dude never throws the ball further than 2 yards down field. and they had like 7 carries in the game. What better way to help your young QB than getting to a better down and distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, MJS said: What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. Exactly. Is he really playing that bad? Seems about middle of the pack to me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, MJS said: What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. You do realize that looking at stats tells you basically nothing about a quarterback's play, right? I feel like we've been over this on this board no less than 1034732514 times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CLTbills said: You do realize that looking at stats tells you basically nothing about a quarterback's play, right? I feel like we've been over this on this board no less than 1034732514 times. You can go over it a million more times if you want. It's not true. QB stats absolutely tell you a lot about a QB. They don't tell you everything, of course, but they do tell you a lot. Edited October 21, 2019 by MJS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: The back and forth is ok. That's why we come on this board. I think we are more interested in looking for posts that we disagree with than we agree with. Makes it fun. ...I'm NOT here to deny the "back 'n forth....two 'n for...opinion vs opinion" stuff...ONLY way this place can work if everything is done with civility......this is and will ALWAYS be a posting faction that no matter what Bflo does, "they effed up".......Mahomes was an "Air Raid product" with many saying a leper like "Air Raid product NEVER makes it in the NFL"....kid has proven the naysayers wrong as is an exciting lad to watch......Bears jumped to #3 to grab Mitch.....ebbs and flows, up and down and currently down......Lamar was some TBD posters' choice at #12......so far so good, a RB in QB shoes...long term?....who knows......I can keep going but there is a faction of TBD or elsewhere posters who will ALWAYS rag on OBD choices......HINT: Josh Allen...........oh wait..........if I am a collegian, draft me to walk down your "welcome(COUGH) red carpet"........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Who would you rather have as your QB in the 4th Quarter needing a long TD drive to win the game, Allen or Trubisky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I have long been surmising that the QB path we were taking with Josh Allen was one similar with Mitch T. but it looks like he is really struggling right now....... He have similar traits....he has a strong D backing him up.....they went out and got him FA targets in the offseason.... Thoughts? Josh Allen is a winner and regardless of his stats figures out a way to win especially in the 4th quarter...Trubisky not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, MJS said: What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. I'm not seeing how he's worse than Allen just by looking at those numbers, they look quite similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Who would you rather have as your QB in the 4th Quarter needing a long TD drive to win the game, Allen or Trubisky? Jim McMahon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Jim McMahon With sunglasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, MJS said: What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. LOL he was 14/27 for 84 yards down like 19 pts with 12 mins remaining against the Saints. Everything about that stat line is garbage time vs prevent. Stat sheet analysis lmao 13 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I'm not seeing how he's worse than Allen just by looking at those numbers, they look quite similar. That's because you guys don't watch other games, apparently. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I'm not seeing how he's worse than Allen just by looking at those numbers, they look quite similar. right.... and if allen has this sort of production consistently at start #31 we need to be a bit concerned. plus the box scores for either player aren't showing the whole story or the manner in which its getting done. Edited October 21, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: LOL he was 14/27 for 84 yards down like 19 pts with 12 mins remaining against the Saints. Everything about that stat line is garbage time vs prevent. Stat sheet analysis lmao That's because you guys don't watch other games, apparently. Hmm, I do, but I think the one Bears game I watched part of it was Daniels at QB. I will say, when watching other games I have only a fleeting interest. Edited October 21, 2019 by Seven-N-Nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This is why you have to watch the games vs looking at stats and making a judgment Bears did maximize Trubisky last year with clever play design and getting the ball out of his hands immediately. Looks like the book is out on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Whom is this Tribisky you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 They're considering benching him in Chicago. That should tell you enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I'm NOT here to deny the "back 'n forth....two 'n for...opinion vs opinion" stuff...ONLY way this place can work if everything is done with civility......this is and will ALWAYS be a posting faction that no matter what Bflo does, "they effed up".......Mahomes was an "Air Raid product" with many saying a leper like "Air Raid product NEVER makes it in the NFL"....kid has proven the naysayers wrong as is an exciting lad to watch......Bears jumped to #3 to grab Mitch.....ebbs and flows, up and down and currently down......Lamar was some TBD posters' choice at #12......so far so good, a RB in QB shoes...long term?....who knows......I can keep going but there is a faction of TBD or elsewhere posters who will ALWAYS rag on OBD choices......HINT: Josh Allen...........oh wait..........if I am a collegian, draft me to walk down your "welcome(COUGH) red carpet"........... Have you ever talked football at a large family gathering? jeez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Chase Daniel gives them a better shot to win right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. Eyeballs man. Watch him play. He reminds me of ej Manuel. Physically gifted but no right being a starter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: LOL he was 14/27 for 84 yards down like 19 pts with 12 mins remaining against the Saints. Everything about that stat line is garbage time vs prevent. Stat sheet analysis lmao That's because you guys don't watch other games, apparently. Yeah, QB's have bad games. Nothing new. Doesn't mean you judge their entire career based on one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I have long been surmising that the QB path we were taking with Josh Allen was one similar with Mitch T. but it looks like he is really struggling right now....... He have similar traits....he has a strong D backing him up.....they went out and got him FA targets in the offseason.... Thoughts? I said it before he was drafted: I wouldn't touch a one-year starter QB with a ten-foot pole. Especially one with no other outstanding traits like size, arm strength or speed. The fact that the Bears 1) picked him, 2) paid a ransom to needlessly trade from 2 to 1 to pick him, and 3) passed on two far more talented quarterbacks, will go down to one of the all-time draft blunders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: You can go over it a million more times if you want. It's not true. QB stats absolutely tell you a lot about a QB. They don't tell you everything, of course, but they do tell you a lot. The point is, you’re just posting a screen shot of a couple basic stats to show why Mitch Trubisky isn’t “floundering” while discounting the fact that even though he finished with 251 yards, going into the fourth quarter he was essentially 50% completion, for 85 yards, getting blown out. Then post a pic of his stats that shows he threw for 250 to prove your point. The point is, sure he can throw for 150 garbage yards in a blowout. That does not make him good. If you actually watched the game instead of the box score, you’d know. its the same as the people that looked at the box score and the “stats” after the Bills-Jets week 1 game and said, “SEE! I told you Josh Allen is inaccurate and can’t do this and that, blah blah, and Darnold is better.” But if they’d watched the game they’d have seen a QB in Josh that had total command and moved his team up and down the field and had a couple of fluky-type turnovers, and a QB in Darnold that didn’t do a damn thing with three gift turnovers. Stats don’t matter unless you’re playing fantasy football. The eye test matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Why would you take the time to put (sp) in the thread title instead of just looking up the spelling? ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Trubisky is absolutely horrible. He'll be benched by the end of the month. Chicago should try to trade the farm for Cam Newton and admit they made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, CLTbills said: You do realize that looking at stats tells you basically nothing about a quarterback's play, right? I feel like we've been over this on this board no less than 1034732514 times. forget the stats then....watch him play. He's a bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) I imagine you used a computer to post this so you couldn’t look up his name? Edited October 22, 2019 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: forget the stats then....watch him play. He's a bum. That was exactly my point. My eyes can tell me he's horrible regardless of what the garbage time padded "stats" say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in NoCal Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: I imagine you used a computer to post this so you couldn’t look up his name? I’m thinking John doesn’t put too much value on spelling, and that’s fine with me. The point is he started an interesting discussion, And regarding Trubisky, having watched him several times, gosh, can’t believe it but I agree with Weo: He’s a bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Whatever happened to the poster RyanLBillz??? He was dripping with Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MJS said: What makes you say he is floundering? Mitch Trubisky stats: Seem like average QBing to me. 3 of 5 games without a TD pass is worrisome. Edited October 22, 2019 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: 3 games without a TD pass is worrisome. Can't count the game against the Vikings. He left with an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: Can't count the game against the Vikings. He left with an injury. Fair enough but as others have eludes he's being outplayed by 2 others in his draft class. Granted I don't think anyone would have predicted Mahomess but passing on Watson looks foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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