Kaepernick Black-balled?

[BuffAlone]

this thread??? again? take it to PPP buddy

[LikeIGiveADarn]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

I believe the worst part of this ugly episode is that American citizens happily endorsed the taking away of another American citizens constitutional rights, over a straw man argument, in support of a corporate monopoly, pretty damn sad imo.  Morons indorse the very behavior that takes away their own rights as citizens, and are very likely so willfully ignorant that they don’t even see what they have endorsed.

 

VMA 331, 2nd Marine air wing MAG 32, Semper Fi, to all that walked the walk, and served their country to preserve the rights of every American. 

 

 

 

No one said he should be jailed over kneeling, at least no one of consequence. There is no constitutional right to play i  the NFL.

[BuffAlone]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I believe the worst part of this ugly episode is that American citizens happily endorsed the taking away of another American citizens constitutional rights, over a straw man argument, in support of a corporate monopoly, pretty damn sad imo.  Morons indorse the very behavior that takes away their own rights as citizens, and are very likely so willfully ignorant that they don’t even see what they have endorsed.

 

VMA 331, 2nd Marine air wing MAG 32, Semper Fi, to all that walked the walk, and served their country to preserve the rights of every American. 

 

 

lmao...morons indorse?

[dwight in philly]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

this thread??? again? take it to PPP buddy

agree. not worthy even being there , but get it the heck off here 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

[dwight in philly]

5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I believe the worst part of this ugly episode is that American citizens happily endorsed the taking away of another American citizens constitutional rights, over a straw man argument, in support of a corporate monopoly, pretty damn sad imo.  Morons indorse the very behavior that takes away their own rights as citizens, and are very likely so willfully ignorant that they don’t even see what they have endorsed.

 

VMA 331, 2nd Marine air wing MAG 32, Semper Fi, to all that walked the walk, and served their country to preserve the rights of every American. 

 

 

SERIOUSLY?

[0017]

(This is a automated response) 

 

As a courtesy to board members please refrain from posting topics like this, even if Kaepernick is blackballed who cares??? and don’t talk about Allen having hip problems, dang!! 

[BringBackOrton]

Woke Bills fans would try to create a QB controversy and cry racism if Josh had a bad game and Kaep didn’t start. No thank u

[whatdrought]

@Hapless Bills Fan - can we trade this for my Cam thread?

[ALLEN1QB]

NFL has no room for a kneeler!! Take a hike dude.

[White Linen]

Non issue to me.  If a team wants to sign him they will, if they don't they won't.  I no longer care about the individual players like I used to a long time ago.  The game is a shell of what it was in terms of connection to players that it once was.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

AIDS.

[Franco_92]

In 2016, the Cardinals were so indifferent to the idea of him throwing the ball that they pulled both corners off of the WRs. The WR on the left sideline never had anyone line up on him. The CB covering the guy to the right walked to the DE as the snap was about to happen, leaving both WRs with nobody anywhere near them. 

Kaep not only didn't complete a throw to one of two wide open options, he didn't even notice that this had happened despite his WRs screaming at him, and handed the ball off up the middle for no gain. 

He was reduced to a 1 read QB and that read was never allowed to be 10 yards down the field. He was benched for Gabbert twice.

We have played almost three full seasons since these games and he hasn't seen the field for any of this time, in a league where a wall of fame caliber guy like Fred Jackson can go from hero to cut in three offseason months, much less three years. 

Why on earth would any team even consider this, and that's without coming within a mile of talking about the political stuff?

Edited October 15, 2019 by arcane

[RaoulDuke79]

Ughhh......how much longer are we going to have to hear about this? 

[Big Turk]

Per se...no.

 

His talent is simply not good enough to warrant the headaches and fan/media backlash the team will get. Fair or not he is the face of the kneeling movement. To warrant dealing with all of that the player would need to be at worst a very good starter caliber player...top 15 at his position in the NFL. Kaep is not that. He is a good backup but has been figured out by D Coordinators and won't do a lot as a starter...he had plenty of chances to show otherwise and couldn't.

 

Good backups don't get the luxury of being headaches like very good and above players get. That's just life. Ray Ray McCloud muffed 2 punts last week and was cut. If Michael Thomas did the same thing they'd just pat him on the butt and say "tough game but we need you next week, put it behind you."  The amount of headaches/screw-ups on and off the field you can cause are directly proportional to your value to the team and contributions towards winning games. A QB sitting on a bench for an entire sesdon unless someone gets hurt doesn't provide a lot of value.

 

Kaep has elite+ level headaches with average talent. No team is signing up for that and it has nothing to do with collusion. It just makes sense and all other players are pretty much treated the same.

Edited October 15, 2019 by matter2003

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Anyone who wants can sign him.  Too many have focused on his contractual situation rather than the fact he wasn't performing very well when his knee "buckled."

[SNICE]

Does the Kaep conversation end after this year since it will have been so long?

 

lasts:

1 more year

1-2 yrs

3-5 yrs

never ends until he gets a shot

[billsfan_34]

There are QB needy teams and no one has taken a sniff on Kap. Anything can happen but Kap made a deal with the devil and it has bitten him hard. 

[Teddy KGB]

He sucks so pass 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/10/the-blatant-blackballing-of-colin-kaepernick-continues/

he is not being blackballed. He just isn’t very good. And it is even debatable that he even wants to play football. If he wanted to play football why not play in CFL or XFL?

 

because he doesn’t want to play football. Just wants to keep his name out there so he is relevant for his sponsorship deals. So these recycled arguments of him being blackballed pop up from time to time. 
 

 

question is ALL the other people not in the league because they are not good enough blackballed. 

22 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

NFL has no room for a kneeler!! Take a hike dude.

Yet there are kneeling players STILL waiting playing. 

[davefan66]

Of course he’s being black-balled.  

 

Plenty of re-retreads have gotten a shot and he hasn’t.  Believe he has enough talent to warrant at least an invite/tryout.

[MAJBobby]

9 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

There are QB needy teams and no one has taken a sniff on Kap. Anything can happen but Kap made a deal with the devil and it has bitten him hard. 

he doesn’t want to play football. If he did he would have been signed 

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

If I were him, I'd sue the league for $10MM per year for as many years I felt I could have played plus treble damages.  Very provable, smacks of racism too.

What is he going to sue for?  Refusing to sign an NFL contract?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/broncos-wont-sign-colin-kaepernick-contract-john-elway-2018-8

 

You, and others that feel like you’re some social justice warriors for Kaepernick, need to take a hike.

Edited October 15, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[MAJBobby]

Just now, davefan66 said:

Of course he’s being black-balled.  

 

Plenty of re-retreads have gotten a shot and he hasn’t.  Believe he has enough talent to warrant at least an invite/tryout.

really? So if he has all this talent why hasn’t he gone and played in CFL?

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Your Brown Eye said:

He is like 3-13 or 3-16 in his last two seasons of playing, somehow that is always left out of the discussion

 

I didnt realize the 49ers started Kap by himself against 11 defenders and then rolled him out there on defense by himself abasing 11 opposing offensive players.   I mean you are putting their record solely on him with this statement like he was the only one on the field.  Also you carefully glanced over his personal stats and performance.

 

Kap was not the reason the record was bad...the record was bad because the 49ers had their ascending roster disappear faster than any team I have seen in NFL history.  Lost players to off field issues, early retirements, free agency, etc.  It was one of the most stunning roster decimations I have ever seen and was done over 2 seasons.  Check Kap stats and you will see their record wasn't because he couldn't play.  In fact, he's better than several teams starters are.  

 

His last season, in a partial season he had 16 TDS, 4 INTs, and another 2 rushing TDS with a QB rating over 90.   For his career, he had 72 TDs to 30 INTs and a career QB rating of 88.9.  

 

This made up notion that the demise of SF's winning was somehow his fault is utterly absurd and mere fan mythology based on biased of not liking him.  They lost many pro bowl players and all his offensive weapons in a 2 year period and the roster became one of the worst in the league after being one of the best young rosters when he led them to a SB a couple years prior.  

 

Kap may not be Mahomes, but this dude is easily better than a lot of QB's starting and backup QB's across the NFL.  He absolutely should have a job in the NFL.  He may not ever get back to being a starter, but its utterly false and absurd for anyone to say he sucks and cant play.  People on this board have 2 speeds...Pro bowl or he Sucks.  He may not make a Pro Bowl, but he doesnt suck to the point he shouldn't be in the NFL.  

Edited October 15, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didnt realize the 49ers started Kap by himself against 11 defenders and then rolled him out there on defense by himself abasing 11 opposing offensive players.   I mean you are putting their record solely on him with this statement like he was the only one on the field.  Also you carefully glanced over his personal stats and performance.

 

Kap was not the reason the record was bad...the record was bad because the 49ers had their ascending roster disappear faster than any team I have seen in NFL history.  Lost players to off field issues, early retirements, free agency, etc.  It was one of the most stunning roster decimations I have ever seen and was done over 2 seasons.  Check Kap stats and you will see their record wasn't because he couldn't play.  In fact, he's better than several teams starters are.  

 

His last season, in a partial season he had 16 TDS, 4 INTs, and another 2 rushing TDS with a QB rating over 90.   For his career, he had 72 TDs to 30 INTs and a career QB rating of 88.9.  

 

This made up notion that the demise of SF's winning was somehow his fault is utterly absurd and mere fan mythology based on biased of not liking him.  They lost many pro bowl players and all his offensive weapons in a 2 year period and the roster became one of the worst in the league after being one of the best young rosters when he led them to a SB a couple years prior.  

 

Kap may not be Mahomes, but this dude is easily better than a lot of QB's starting and backup QB's across the NFL.  

then why didn’t he sign the Contract with Denver 2 year ago?

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

then why didn’t he sign the Contract with Denver 2 year ago?

 

What does that have to do with anything I just said?  I talked about his ability to play, not desire.  

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

When is this guy guna go away?

he is. What did he do?  Nothing. Just PFT doing their weekly attack on the League. 

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What does that have to do with anything I just said?  I talked about his ability to play, not desire.  

they both are connected. His ability to play isn’t there if his desire to play isn’t there. 
 

so makes PFTs weekly Kaep articles boring at this point. He doesn’t want to play

[MAJBobby]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Sorry your right.... I meant when is the kaepernick conversation going to go away.

when PFT and the Reporters on Twitter decide to stop brining his name up everytime there is a QB injury

[Returntoglory]

He's a Public Relations Nightmare! No way, No how!

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

then why didn’t he sign the Contract with Denver 2 year ago?

 

Lol...and why are you dwelling on that?  Dude, that was when he was first a FA, long before the black ball thing really sunk in.  Players turn down teams all the time as free agents, because they think there will be a better opportunity they prefer.  Its silly to suggest that he does NOT want to play TODAY because of something he turned down literally THREE years ago when he thought he was going to have other opportunities...I mean that article is over a year old already and its talking about something that was 2 years before that.  

 

This is a really silly and ridiculous thing to apply to him today.  

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

he is. What did he do?  Nothing. Just PFT doing their weekly attack on the League. 

they both are connected. His ability to play isn’t there if his desire to play isn’t there. 
 

so makes PFTs weekly Kaep articles boring at this point. He doesn’t want to play

 

Dude that was over THREE years ago man.  Its utterly ridiculous to apply that on him today when he "allegedly" turned down a Broncos offer over 3 years ago when he first became a free agent.  

 

Using that article is clearly just a tool to prop up your negative biased on him as it literally has 0% relevancy to what has been going on since then and his situation today.  Especially since his agents have been very vocal about finding him a backup job and not looking for a starting opportunity.  

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol...and why are you dwelling on that?  Dude, that was when he was first a FA, long before the black ball thing really sunk in.  Players turn down teams all the time as free agents, because they think there will be a better opportunity they prefer.  Its silly to suggest that he does NOT want to play TODAY because of something he turned down literally THREE years ago when he thought he was going to have other opportunities...I mean that article is over a year old already and its talking about something that was 2 years before that.  

 

This is a really silly and ridiculous thing to apply to him today.  

if he wanted to play football. Would he not be in the CFL?  It is because he doesn’t want to play. 

Hard to be blackballed when you don’t want to play. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/nfl-source-kaepernick-turned-down-at-least-1-contract-to-play-up-the-race-card

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

if he wanted to play football. Would he not be in the CFL?  It is because he doesn’t want to play. 

 

Again, I made a post about his ABILITY to play...and you keep responding with your own personal belief that he does not want to play.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote and what you keep responding too.  

 

I don't know if he wants to play or not...its absurd for me or anyone else to pretend they know the answer to that question as only Kap knows that.  I do know, his agents have been aggressively trying to get him a job in the NFL...which indicates he wants to play IMO.  

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Again, I made a post about his ABILITY to play...and you keep responding with your own personal belief that he does not want to play.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote and what you keep responding too.  

 

I don't know if he wants to play or not...its absurd for me or anyone else to pretend they know the answer to that question as only Kap knows that.  I do know, his agents have been aggressively trying to get him a job in the NFL...which indicates he wants to play IMO.  

yet in 2017 turned down NFL offers. Turned down CFL and AAF. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foxsportsradio.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2017-08-09-clay-travis-believes-seahawks-offered-kaepernick-a-contract/

Edited October 15, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Rob's House]

I'd have a lot more respect for Kaepernick supporters if they were honest about why they support him, and applied that principle consistently.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

yet in 2017 turned down NFL offers. Turned down CFL and AAF. 

 

Lol...he turned down Broncos 3 years ago when he just became a FA, has nothing to do with the black balled stuff.  And the AAF was shown to be a rumor and shot down.  And who can blame anyone turning down the AAF, it folded mid season.  

 

And just because he did not want to go down to the "minor leagues" does not mean he doesn't want to play in the NFL.  You are just making your own assumptions that fit with your negative view of Kap.  

[Kirby Jackson]

If he was as good as Mahomes he’d have a job. If he was as good as Peterman we wouldn’t be talking about him. Unfortunately for Kaep he’s somewhere in between. 

[billsfan_34]

22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

he doesn’t want to play football. If he did he would have been signed 

He recently stated he has been working out and is ready to play.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol...he turned down Broncos 3 years ago when he just became a FA, has nothing to do with the black balled stuff.  And the AAF was shown to be a rumor and shot down.  And who can blame anyone turning down the AAF, it folded mid season.  

 

And just because he did not want to go down to the "minor leagues" does not mean he doesn't want to play in the NFL.  You are just making your own assumptions that fit with your negative view of Kap.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foxsportsradio.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2017-08-09-clay-travis-believes-seahawks-offered-kaepernick-a-contract/

 

ummm yep Turned down NFL offers in 2017. 

Just now, billsfan_34 said:

He recently stated he has been working out and is ready to play.

ahhh must be is collusion settlement money is running out. Ooo wait or he lied to keep his name in the news 

[Punching Bag]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If he was as good as Mahomes he’d have a job. If he was as good as Peterman we wouldn’t be talking about him. Unfortunately for Kaep he’s somewhere in between. 

 

If he would get paid like Peterman Kaep would have a better chance at getting a job and that salary is why a lot of 2nd string QBs remain on roster.