row_33 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, njbuff said: McCoy's running style and decline is what got him released. Nothing else to see here. A healthy Singletary is critical to this being a run-heavy offense (Captain Obvious here). With that said, if they have all 3 backs healthy, they have more than enough to be a very strong run team. Plus this strategy will be much more effective for a team that is transitioning a whole new starting OL. McCoy is doing fine in the Chiefs system, a good fit for both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) If he learns to start protecting himself and protect the football, then this could turn out OK. Blame the defender for that hit, but blame Josh too. There is no reason for him to be standing when the hit came anyways. He should have gone down to avoid that collision entirely. I just hope this knocks some sense into him so he'll stop dropping the football all over the field and start throwing it away when there isn't enough room to squeeze it in between defenders. He's fumbled 3 times already in 2019 and he's tied for the NFL lead in interceptions. Stop making excuses for him. Look at Daniel Jones. He doesn't need excuses and he has no talent to work with at WR. Minshew too! So many other young QB's playing well and Josh is still stuck in neutral. He's looked better by a bit this year, but that last game was as bad as he's played. If you're not concerned, you're living in denial. How poorly does he have to play before you admit that he is struggling? 4 turnovers in just 1 half? 3 picks in 1 game? Been there. Done that. At this stage, I don't really even see a drop off with Barkley at QB. Edited October 1, 2019 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, GreggTX said: If he learns to start protecting himself and protect the football, then this could turn out OK. Blame the defender for that hit, but blame Josh too. There is no reason for him to be standing when the hit came anyways. He should have gone down to avoid that collision entirely. I just hope this knocks some sense into him so he'll stop dropping the football all over the field and start throwing it away when there isn't enough room to squeeze it in between defenders. He's fumbled 3 times already in 2019 and he's tied for the NFL lead in interceptions. Stop making excuses for him. Look at Daniel Jones. He doesn't need excuses and he has no talent to work with at WR. Minshew too! So many other young QB's playing well and Josh is still stuck in neutral. He's looked better by a bit this year, but that last game was as bad as he's played. If you're not concerned, you're living in denial. How poorly does he have to play before you admit that he is struggling? 4 turnovers in just 1 half? 3 picks in 1 game? Been there. Done that. live and learn a DB doesn't want to take a hit from a man way bigger moving faster than he is watch Rivas head for the hills when Tebow came at him on a scramble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicharito said: Sitting here thinking about when Trent Edwards got crushed in Arizona years back and how it basically ruined the kid. We all know Josh has the skill set to be the leader of this team . I just hope this hit doesn’t scare the game out of him like it did to Trent. They should really close this site after a loss until Friday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: If he learns to start protecting himself and protect the football, then this could turn out OK. Blame the defender for that hit, but blame Josh too. There is no reason for him to be standing when the hit came anyways. He should have gone down to avoid that collision entirely. I just hope this knocks some sense into him so he'll stop dropping the football all over the field and start throwing it away when there isn't enough room to squeeze it in between defenders. He's fumbled 3 times already in 2019 and he's tied for the NFL lead in interceptions. Stop making excuses for him. Look at Daniel Jones. He doesn't need excuses and he has no talent to work with at WR. Minshew too! So many other young QB's playing well and Josh is still stuck in neutral. He's looked better by a bit this year, but that last game was as bad as he's played. If you're not concerned, you're living in denial. How poorly does he have to play before you admit that he is struggling? 4 turnovers in just 1 half? 3 picks in 1 game? Been there. Done that. I am not in denial with Allen. Any idiot knows he has to be better. Period. He has been bailed out by his D, which may have saved him from being benched, but.......... when you have a million new starters on your OL and you run these constant no RB sets, what kind of results do you expect for a young QB. Allen needs to be better and more consistent and he needs help from his coaching staff. Also, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Anyone throwing the towel in on allen is an idiot. And that's not really up for debate. Watching that game on Friday, I felt that Allen was nervous and uncomfortable early on in the game, but there was a point when I saw the look in his eye change and felt that he was starting to settle in. I honestly believe he was going figure it out and win that game if it weren't for the cheap shot that took him out. Yes, he was trying to do too much for most of the game, instead of taking what the Defense gave him. He held the ball in the (clean) pocket too long several times and forced it into windows that were too tight. BUT, his skills are undeniable and I believe that he will learn from his mistakes and continue to develop into the franchise QB we are hoping for. Like I said, I think he would have found a way to win that game. In Josh I trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Sorry I thought i was responding to "I can dig it! Go in peace, bronan." No I am not throwing in the towel on Allen but I have gone from 90% all in to about 75% all in. Last Sunday concerned me. So 2 quarters concerned you, micromanage a little more. Allen was starting his 15th ever game Belichick is probably the best head coach all time and one of the best defensive minded coaches of all time New England has a superb defense this year, probably going to be top 2 along with Bills The oline wasn't good sunday nor was the coaching The first pic was underthrown but Zay could have at least fought for the ball Last pic shouldn't have been a pic, should have been an incomplete pass. So Josh had a bad half, he was doing much better after haltime and actually his offense outscored Bradys offense 10-9 That said what was expected, 17-20 200 yards 3 TDs and 0 ints? He's young, he struggled, it happens, especially against that team and coach, how'd Brady do again on sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, pop gun said: He's young, he struggled, it happens, especially against that team and coach, how'd Brady do again on sunday? Brady won, took at most 2 decent licks, notched up another road win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pop gun said: So 2 quarters concerned you, micromanage a little more. Allen was starting his 15th ever game Belichick is probably the best head coach all time and one of the best defensive minded coaches of all time New England has a superb defense this year, probably going to be top 2 along with Bills The oline wasn't good sunday nor was the coaching The first pic was underthrown but Zay could have at least fought for the ball Last pic shouldn't have been a pic, should have been an incomplete pass. So Josh had a bad half, he was doing much better after haltime and actually his offense outscored Bradys offense 10-9 That said what was expected, 17-20 200 yards 3 TDs and 0 ints? He's young, he struggled, it happens, especially against that team and coach, how'd Brady do again on sunday? I already know everything you wrote. How Brady did is irrelevant to the Allen question. If Allen's terrible play doesn't concern you, fine by me. Live in denial. Edited October 1, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: Except his best game as a Bill came the game he came back from the concussion. Why does this keep getting repeated? He wasn't shell shocked, he got figured out. sucked Fixed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: Except his best game as a Bill came the game he came back from the concussion. Why does this keep getting repeated? He wasn't shell shocked, he got figured out. This myth will never die... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 It won't be relived. Trent had zero "gunslinger" traits. Josh might have too much. Josh strikes me as being tougher than Trentative. But it will take a longer than expected time for Josh to stop making dumb decisions. I think Trent learned a little more at Stanford about common sense than Josh at Wyoming. The joke over this whole concussion is Jones/NE won't even get punished for the cheap hit. It may not have been a Vontace hit but it was worthy of an ejection or 1 game suspension. It it had been Golden boy the penalty would have been more severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Game was too fast and never slowed down for Trent... plain and simple. The hit didn’t actually change him although maybe he got even more skittish. He just didnt have it. You could argue only 15 or 20 people do, Or 0.0000003% of the world There are another couple hundred that are marginally close. Trent was one of them. Allen’s story is unwritten. But it’s hard not to think there’s something there when a guy seems to rise when it’s time to go win a game and has delivered no matter how ugly the start was. Edited October 1, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: Except his best game as a Bill came the game he came back from the concussion. Why does this keep getting repeated? He wasn't shell shocked, he got figured out. Because its true. Give me a break..."He got figured out." Brady is figured out, he still performs. Same with with any other Qb. Edwards was never the same after getting stretched out, and anyone with two eyes can see it. He was completely gun shy and was never comfortable in the pocket again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I can;t see this taking him down. He is too much of a competitor. He will bounce back and I am thinking even this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicharito said: Sitting here thinking about when Trent Edwards got crushed in Arizona years back and how it basically ruined the kid. We all know Josh has the skill set to be the leader of this team . I just hope this hit doesn’t scare the game out of him like it did to Trent. We actually don't know this. We all hope it, but the jury is still out on JA being a long term franchise QB. 58 minutes ago, WhoTom said: I'm so tired of this "Trent was ruined by one hit" argument. He was never that good. No passion for the game. No fire. The perfect QB for a Jauron-led team. Josh is the anti-Trent. I agree with all of this. The perfect QB for DJ. Trent was 'OK' but not good. If he had any fire he would have been much better. But he didn't, so he retired after a few years, even when he probably could have made a career as a backup. 12 minutes ago, pop gun said: So 2 quarters concerned you, micromanage a little more. Allen was starting his 15th ever game Belichick is probably the best head coach all time and one of the best defensive minded coaches of all time New England has a superb defense this year, probably going to be top 2 along with Bills The oline wasn't good sunday nor was the coaching The first pic was underthrown but Zay could have at least fought for the ball Last pic shouldn't have been a pic, should have been an incomplete pass. So Josh had a bad half, he was doing much better after haltime and actually his offense outscored Bradys offense 10-9 That said what was expected, 17-20 200 yards 3 TDs and 0 ints? He's young, he struggled, it happens, especially against that team and coach, how'd Brady do again on sunday? I mean, come on. He didn't just struggle for 2 quarters...he struggles for 2-3 quarters every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Game was too fast and never slowed down for Trent... plain and simple. The hit didn’t actually change him although maybe he got even more skittish. He just didnt have it. You could argue only 15 or 20 people do, Or 0.0000003% of the world There are another couple hundred that are marginally close. Trent was one of them. Trent's game face was destroyed on that single play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicharito said: Sitting here thinking about when Trent Edwards got crushed in Arizona years back and how it basically ruined the kid. We all know Josh has the skill set to be the leader of this team . I just hope this hit doesn’t scare the game out of him like it did to Trent. Josh is a tough kid. You can see that in the way he plays. Trent was not tough. Captain checkdown was made of glass. Edited October 1, 2019 by Nick the Greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, TwistofFate said: Because its true. Give me a break..."He got figured out." Brady is figured out, he still performs. Same with with any other Qb. Edwards was never the same after getting stretched out, and anyone with two eyes can see it. He was completely gun shy and was never comfortable in the pocket again. Again, he had his best game as a Bill AFTER he came back. It's simply not true no matter how much you want to repeat it. If he was never comfortable in the pocket how could he possibly have his best game ever as a Bill? Better than ANY game he had before the injury. It's a complete myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Why is it that a lot of Bills "Fan's" IQ's drop considerably after 1 loss? So many of you are out of your near-sighted minds right now. He had 1 bad half. Get over yourselves, please. A bunch of whiney little ***** in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: Why is it that a lot of Bills "Fan's" IQ's drop considerably after 1 loss? So many of you are out of your near-sighted minds right now. He had 1 bad half. Get over yourselves, please. A bunch of whiney little ***** in here. Didn't you know that the Bills were supposed to go 16-0 and that Allen has to throw for 300+ yards and have a perfect QB rating in EVERY game? Didn't you get the memo? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicharito said: Sitting here thinking about when Trent Edwards got crushed in Arizona years back and how it basically ruined the kid. We all know Josh has the skill set to be the leader of this team . I just hope this hit doesn’t scare the game out of him like it did to Trent. Trent Edwards stat line on his first game back after the concussion: 25-30; 260 yards, 1 TD pass and a QB rating of 114. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Trent Edwards stat line on his first game back after the concussion: 25-30; 260 yards, 1 TD pass and a QB rating of 114. Literally his best game as a Bills QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Again, he had his best game as a Bill AFTER he came back. It's simply not true no matter how much you want to repeat it. If he was never comfortable in the pocket how could he possibly have his best game ever as a Bill? Better than ANY game he had before the injury. It's a complete myth. He was still concussed and unable to feel fear? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said: Literally his best game as a Bills QB. He was at one point, 23 of 25 in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: He was at one point, 23 of 25 in that game. But, but he was 'gun shy' and 'couldn't throw the ball' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 IMO (and I know a lot don't agree) that is complete urban legend. Edwards arguably had his best game his first game back from that injury. Defenses figured out some things to do against him and Edwards had no answer. He was never destined for greatness and his failure would have occurred with our without that concussion. Look around the NFL, guys get concussions all the time, how many of them never return to the form they had before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I already know everything you wrote. How Brady did is irrelevant to the Allen question. If Allen's terrible play doesn't concern you, fine by me. Live in denial. So what's your answer then, keep complaining about? Allen isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He was at one point, 23 of 25 in that game. He was the NFL Player of the Week for that game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: Except his best game as a Bill came the game he came back from the concussion. Why does this keep getting repeated? He wasn't shell shocked, he got figured out. Sensationalism......he was viciously hit and never became a franchise qb so it HAD to have been the cause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: He was the NFL Player of the Week for that game... Yet some how he simply was inexplicably "figured out" and unable to ever perform again moving on. PTS didn't hit him immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, pop gun said: So what's your answer then, keep complaining about? Allen isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Yeah I love complaining, how about you? What do you mean what is my answer? Have to wait and see if he develops, is that a mystery to you? Allen was always considering a project regardless. Like getting hurt last yer when he came back was much better in round 2. Assuming he take time off due to the concussion and watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Brady is figured out, he still performs. Same with with any other Qb. It is measure/countermeasure. Some QB's are able to adapt when defenses take away things they do well and do something else equally well. Some QB's are more talented than others and have a comprehensive game that is harder to defend than a player than can only do a few things. Others can do some things well but not all things, they "get figured out" and ultimately fail, like Edwards. Edited October 1, 2019 by mattynh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: I'm so tired of this "Trent was ruined by one hit" argument. He was never that good. No passion for the game. No fire. The perfect QB for a Jauron-led team. Josh is the anti-Trent. ...no resemblance then?......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Trent Edwards stat line on his first game back after the concussion: 25-30; 260 yards, 1 TD pass and a QB rating of 114. don't care about that game against the tanking fish and the rest of his career? he was not the same after getting Adrianed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: don't care about that game against the tanking fish and the rest of his career? he was not the same after getting Adrianed Tanking fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Except it's not. Also, for what it's worth, Edwards really never looked to have the killer instinct Josh possesses. What gave that away? Him running out of bounds at the opponents 40 yard line on 4th down instead of trying to throw it up for grabs downfield in a one score game late in the 4th quarter? Can't take a chance of turning the ball over... Edited October 1, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 hours ago, njbuff said: McCoy's running style and decline is what got him released. Nothing else to see here. A healthy Singletary is critical to this being a run-heavy offense (Captain Obvious here). With that said, if they have all 3 backs healthy, they have more than enough to be a very strong run team. Plus this strategy will be much more effective for a team that is transitioning a whole new starting OL. McCoy has 214 yards on 40 carries (5.4 avg), 12 carries for first downs, and 2 TDs. He's also caught 9 passes out of 11 targets for 71 yards (7.9 avg) for 3 first downs and 1 TD. He has 0 fumbles. That projects to be about 850 yards on the ground plus another 280 yards via passing, and he's not even the feature back on a passing team. I'm not a fan of playing money ball, especially on the offensive side. You can't have too much talent on offense in the modern NFL in order to be successful as the Pats, Chiefs, Saints, Rams, and Eagles have repeatedly demonstrated. Surrounding a top QB prospect/veteran with second stringers and JAGs hasn't proven to be a particularly successful formula for building consistent playoff contenders in this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, SoTier said: McCoy has 214 yards on 40 carries (5.4 avg), 12 carries for first downs, and 2 TDs. He's also caught 9 passes out of 11 targets for 71 yards (7.9 avg) for 3 first downs and 1 TD. He has 0 fumbles. That projects to be about 850 yards on the ground plus another 280 yards via passing, and he's not even the feature back on a passing team. I'm not a fan of playing money ball, especially on the offensive side. You can't have too much talent on offense in the modern NFL in order to be successful as the Pats, Chiefs, Saints, Rams, and Eagles have repeatedly demonstrated. Surrounding a top QB prospect/veteran with second stringers and JAGs hasn't proven to be a particularly successful formula for building consistent playoff contenders in this century. McCoy wasn't a fit here with his running style. That's why he is gone. Gore and Singletary attack the LOS much better than Shady ever will. Shady is gone and in KC now, so no need to bring him up cause he ain't coming back to this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Does Josh have a sister? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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