Mat68 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I think watching Brady could be eye opening for him. The deep shot I'm ok with. The other 2 were bad. In that game their was no need to play that way. The defense had the game under control. He needs to reign himself in those situations. Overall, Buffalo will be fine barring Allen getting cleared soon from protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, corta765 said: The Pats at home for the division lead and Allen played his worst game of the season and worst since he went out with injury last year. This was an opportunity for a statement and instead we got the worst parts of Allen’s game which was trying for big plays which resulted in INTs and pocket presence failure resulting in loss of points. Give the NE defense some credit and give Allen some credit for making half-time adjustments and putting together that great drive to start the 2nd half. He just needs to stop making bad risky decisions throwing the ball downfield and take what the Defense gives him. It was not a great game, but certainly not as bad is it looks. 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Jameis looked pretty damn good today. He also looked pretty bad. Jameis is not a good quarterback. He is a solid NFL starter if you don't want to win anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Jameis looked pretty damn good today. And it’s taken him 5 years to play a good game. Your opinions aren’t worth anything as it comes to evaluating QB play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: What you can't argue with is that without the block punt TD the Bills win the game. Yeah, stuff happens in football games. The Jets would have won if they had a better kicker. End of the day the team that makes more plays wins and Allen didn't do his part today. The Pats defense is solid but there were plays to be made and he didn't hit them. Take away 2 sacks and hit a wide open Zay Jones and we win 23-16. Biggest problem for Allen right now is he can't beat blitzes. He needs to find a check down option or throw it away. Every blitz he panics and runs backwards. It's been the same for every game this year. Occasionally he makes an incredible play with his pure athleticism but he needs to hit the ordinary plays a lot more if he's going to be the franchise. Edited September 30, 2019 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bevis said: I think you will end up dying on that sword when the record isn't so great because the QB is inconsistent. Good luck. doesn’t matter right now. He is 3-1 and has improved from last year. Now if by end of season I don’t see more growth well then he will eventually start having me call for someone else. Let’s get to 20 starts first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: They've played 4 garbage offenses. Answer the question. The obvious answer is no one. Our D is much better. Van Noy starts in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Who in their front seven would start for us? How is that an answer? They gave up 3 points to the last Super Bowl opponent. We got the first TD on them all year. They just might be kinda good. Just sayin’. Who are our Pro Bowlers? The TEAM production is what matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: Van Noy starts in a heartbeat. Great. So one of seven guys starts for us. As I said, our defense is a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: doesn’t matter right now. He is 3-1 and has improved from last year. Now if by end of season I don’t see more growth well then he will eventually start having me call for someone else. Let’s get to 20 starts first Last year in week 4, Trubisky threw 6 TD's and took the next step in his quest to be a franchise QB. Allen is simply struggling too much and is simply not on par with those who came before him, or those drafted alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Jameis looked pretty damn good today. Now there’s a guy that should be moved on from. How many years has it taken him ? Plus a dbag to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: And it’s taken him 5 years to play a good game. Your opinions aren’t worth anything as it comes to evaluating QB play. wait...you’re saying this is his first good game in 5 years and you’re criticizing someone for their QB evaluations... Edited September 30, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 i liked daboll yelling at him and pointing to his head. i imagine he was saying you got think or be smarter. brady threw alot of balls away today and thats probobly all we needed today was the ball thrown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Yup, nowhere to be seen weeks 1-3. Then we have Nextmanup telling us this is Josh's ceiling. What a bunch of tools. No one was concerned about the turnovers in the other games? Don't you remember posting about how we won the game so it doesn't matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Great. So one of seven guys starts for us. As I said, our defense is a lot better. You said no one in their front 7 would start for us, you now admit that’s wrong. Another example of your opinions having no merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Allen had a terrible day today. He's a young QB and it happens to every one of them NOT named Mahomes. His 3 INT's were bad decisions but they did not impact the game to the extent the one blocked punt did for the simple reason that each INT gave NE the ball at about midfield. These picks did not put NE in our red zone nor did they thwart a Bills drive into the red zone. NE is an elite pass defense. In fact today you saw the #1 & #2 pass defenses go at each other. In case you didn't notice Brady had almost as bad a QB performance as Allen had. He hit less then 50% of his passes threw a horrific INT that robbed NE of points. And if Edmunds had intercepted that bad throw late in the 4th Brady would have thrown a game losing pick 6! Bottom line is that if Allen had Brady's stat sheet we would be just as disappointed in his performance. Maybe this tells us more about the two pass defenses on the field then it does the QB's? We all hate the Pats and Belichick but he is the best defensive mind the game has ever seen. His D held LA to 3 points in the Super Bowl. As much as we dreaded it, today's outcome including Allen's performance, was always the most likely one. In the end Allen will be fine and maybe we can get payback near the end of the season. Edited September 30, 2019 by CincyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Augie said: Nobody wants better more than Josh. It’s the fully expected overreaction that is tiring. YES, is was a horrific performance for a while. BUT, what happened when things started settling down? He went 6-6 on the first TD given up by the Pats this year. Looked like the real deal when they got into the flow. It’s a mix. The bad was HORRIBLE, then there was a bit of encouraging play. Thanks to a dirty hit, we never got to see how it might have played out. Not to beat a dead horse but they went with the short passing game and ran the ball during that stretch. JA was managed. Don’t understand why the entire game wasn’t schemed like that series. Edited September 30, 2019 by PayDaBill$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: wait...you’re saying this is his first good game in 5 years and you’re criticizing someone for heir QB evaluations... Hyperbole to prove a point. Everyone knowing anything about football knows this is Winston’s make it or else year because he just hasn’t been very good. Or would you also have traded an entire draft for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: You said no one in their front 7 would start for us, you now admit that’s wrong. Another example of your opinions having no merit. I don't think any of them would start for us. You offered up Van Noy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 This thread is a failed test. Neeexxxtttt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: Jim Kelly once threw 3 pick on the 1st 3 possessions of the game and the Bills won the game. We'll never know what Josh would have done at the end of the game because he was taken out with a dirty hit. but...we knew what belichek was gonna throw at him like he did all game long and did nothing to counter attack that...let alone allen's bone headed throws. i don't know if there was gonna be some automatic game saving switch that was gonna suddenly come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, billsredneck1 said: but...we knew what belichek was gonna throw at him like he did all game long and did nothing to counter attack that...let alone allen's bone headed throws. i don't know if there was gonna be some automatic game saving switch that was gonna suddenly come on Still waiting on the double fourth and goal attempt game from Jauron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: I don't think any of them would start for us. You offered up Van Noy. And you said we’ll that’s just one. Same crap you pulled on the BBMB- make outlandish statements and when proven wrong either change the subject or claim you never said what you said. Sad to have such little integrity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said: Not to beat a dead horse but they went with the short passing game and ran the ball during that stretch. JA was managed. Don’t understand why the entire game wasn’t schemed like that series. Maybe the 4th(?) throw was a short toss left to a wide openly Beasley. Josh just had the jitters and missed it. Hit that, get a little confidence and who knows what it might have looked like? This is why I said don’t get too high or too low based on one game. Josh will grow from this. I’m not 100% sold on him, but I won’t crush him for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Convenient you're not including his 3 rush TDs as well. But hey, whatever. You do you. Hes a quarterback. Let's stuck to the qb specific stats. Still 6 it's 9 turnovers. Nothing to be defensive of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: He was bringing the team back before he was illegally removed from the game by a dirty hit. Avoid kool-aid. He was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Agent 91 said: Hes a quarterback. Let's stuck to the qb specific stats. Still 6 it's 9 turnovers. Nothing to be defensive of. Again, As a results-oriented guy, I'm ok with it. 3-1 is 3-1 and he's played a big part in being 3-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Bear and Chicago? Did you mean the Pats? Anyways, I think the Bills are the most complete D in the NFL, the Bears have the best front seven, and the Pats have the best secondary (I don't think their front seven is very good). I think the Bears and Bills at 1a and 1b. New England has a good defense, but I don't think it's elite. They don't have any game changers in their front seven, although all their role players fill their roles very well. Yeah Pats - fixed They have a damn good D and front 7 that get's constant pressure on QB's and shuts running games down (up until today). They basically help or play as a unit like the Bills did today. Allen has to get his turnovers in check. Allen has to not take sacks when in field goal range and just throw the ball away. Allen needs to take better care of his body when running or he won't last long enough to even become franchise. Allen needs to seriously work on his deep balls. Allen will not have to see a D as good as the Pars for awhile now. Let's see if he can learn from his mistakes and grow. I will continue to support him We can't take 18yrs of Pats dominance against our Bills and throw it all at Allen. A kid that is still learning and developing. Edited September 30, 2019 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bevis said: Last year in week 4, Trubisky threw 6 TD's and took the next step in his quest to be a franchise QB. Allen is simply struggling too much and is simply not on par with those who came before him, or those drafted alongside him. Ha ha ha so how is Mitch doing based off your statement must be a HOFer right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said: Not to beat a dead horse but they went with the short passing game and ran the ball during that stretch. JA was managed. Don’t understand why the entire game wasn’t schemed like that series. But it's a dead horse worth beating. I think they put to much on Allen's plate today. They needed to keep it simple. Allen is a young QB going up against the evil genius Belichick. Quick hitting passes and running the football. Way to many empty sets. And maybe it's just me but what use is an empty backfield with 4 wide outs if two of the wide outs on one side of the field are Gore & DeMarco? Seriously! That's supposed to put the fear of God in a defense. Gore had an awesome day for a 36 year old RB. But with Singleterry out the Bills have one of the weakest backfields in the NFL. There is NO game breaking capacity there. And I would suggest that Gore's 100 yards came in large part because the Pats didn't care about our running game. If they had, Allen would not have been under that type of pressure and would have had more guys running open today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Real McCoy said: Yeah Pats - fixed They have a damn good D and front 7 that get's constant pressure on QB's and shuts running games down (up until today). They basically help or play as a unit like the Bills did today. Allen has to get his turnovers in check. Allen has to not takes sacks when in field goal range and just throw the ball away. Allen needs to take better care of his body when running or he won't last long enough to even become franchise. Allen needs to seriously work on his deep balls. Allen will not have to see a D as good as the Pars for awhile now. Let's see if he can learn from his mistakes and grow. I will continue to support him TN’s D is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: He is fine We are fine Hall of Fame response from a Hall of Famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, SirAndrew said: Honestly, Allen hasn’t played any good complete games of four quarters this season. That becomes an issue when you face the Pats. We were just able to escape with wins against lesser teams. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, corta765 said: Sure 6 TDs total against 9 turnovers. I don’t want my QB committing 36 turnovers it’s not sustainable. He needs to do better I believe he can but today was a step back Be careful man dont forget to add in the 24 TDs Or your narrative is flawed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The moment was too big for him today. He failed the test today, but there is another test next week. He has time to pull his grade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: TN’s D is good. They are OK, not close to Pats level good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: He is fine We are fine He has the tools, just needs to learn to throw the ball away when it is not there. How many passes did Brady throw away today because of quick pressure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Real McCoy said: They are OK, not close to Pats level good. No, not that good, to be sure, but I’d say above average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ha ha ha so how is Mitch doing based off your statement must be a HOFer right? Well he's hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Bevis said: Well he's hurt. And before that? Ahhh HOF right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, White Linen said: It's hard when he has to play against our own special teams. They failed the test yet again. 3 interceptions were not the fault of special teams. Three terrible throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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