corta765 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 The Pats at home for the division lead and Allen played his worst game of the season and worst since he went out with injury last year. This was an opportunity for a statement and instead we got the worst parts of Allen’s game which was trying for big plays which resulted in INTs and pocket presence failure resulting in loss of points. This isn’t the end of the world either. Allen deserves credit for leading the team to 3 wins and you can certainly see his improvement as a QB. But after saying he was done with hero ball, he instead forced 3 different balls for INTs which were crucial to the loss. On the positive his second half play was better and you have to remember NE is really good so it wasn’t like it was against a bunch of scrubs. But this was his first real chance against a great team and he flopped big time. Up until today he was playing at a level that was very workable with no real signs to say his trajectory was down. But this was a bad day which opened some concerns about his long term viability. While I am not a big stat guy he has 3 TDs thrown against 6 INTs plus a bunch of fumbles too. The goal with drafting Allen was getting a guy who can do enough to beat the top dogs like NE and today at argument could’ve been made that the Bills were better off with Barkley just because he would’ve given less negative plays. The second half of the year will have more real opponents like BAL, NE, and DAL. The Bills defense is good enough to make a real run with and the offense has some good weapons like Beasley Brown and possibly Knox who is emerging a bit. Allen failed today but he has a good test to comeback next week and more opportunities to show he can move to that next level. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 He was bringing the team back before he was illegally removed from the game by a dirty hit. 14 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafan Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Can't really say he failed....he didn't finish the game. He stays in and I think Bills score the go ahead TD. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 He is fine We are fine 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Just now, Dafan said: Can't really say he failed....he didn't finish the game. He stays in and I think Bills score the go ahead TD. 3 picks= failure. Don't get me wrong I think he will be just fine but he played poorly today. Edited September 29, 2019 by Zebrastripes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Honestly, Allen hasn’t played any good complete games of four quarters this season. That becomes an issue when you face the Pats. We were just able to escape with wins against lesser teams. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 It's hard when he has to play against our own special teams. They failed the test yet again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Can’t argue with that. However I would have loved to see the result of the game without the Cheap Shot that removes him. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: 3 picks= failure 3 TD’s to 6 picks on the season isn’t so great either. I’m certainly not giving up on Allen. I’ve been in his corner all season, and the future is bright. We just need to see improvement. We also don’t need him to miss any substantial amount of time this season. Edited September 29, 2019 by SirAndrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 And if he'd remained in and taken the lead would this post have happened? No. People need to take a step back and think for a change. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, White Linen said: It's hard when he has to play against our own special teams. They failed the test yet again. 4 Turnovers plus a sack that took them out of FG range. He was a big part of the points NE got and the lack of scoring we had. For right now it’s OK but it forces some not fun questions about his play which is very up and down 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Agreed. Terrible performance. It’ll get better 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: 3 picks= failure Jim Kelly once threw 3 pick on the 1st 3 possessions of the game and the Bills won the game. We'll never know what Josh would have done at the end of the game because he was taken out with a dirty hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Can’t argue with that. However I would have loved to see the result of the game without the Cheap Shot that removes him. I agree, the fourth quarter has been his thing all season. No one in their right mind wanted to see Barkley on the field for a potential game winning drive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I think we'll gel as an offense as the season progresses. It's a whole new crew, except for Josh, Dion and Zay. We'll be fine if we cut down on turnovers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Pats are the gold standard in the NFL. Not going to overreact that they confused JA. JA played bad but WR’s got little separation, pass blocking struggled and didn’t understand why Daboll kept thinking the deep ball was there. Btw got zero from Jay Jones and the punt block was inexcusable. You have to recognize the gunners weren’t covered! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Fair enough. But I believe he will pass others. I believe in Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: And if he'd remained in and taken the lead would this post have happened? No. People need to take a step back and think for a change. But he didn’t. Sorry I like Josh but for the season he is 3 TDs to 6 INTs plus 3 lost fumbles. After two games where the error was pointing up he has now had two games where the error went decidedly down. The defense will not be great forever and I want my QB to be better straight up 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, corta765 said: 4 Turnovers plus a sack that took them out of FG range. He was a big part of the points NE got and the lack of scoring we had. For right now it’s OK but it forces some not fun questions about his play which is very up and down He's certainly better than our special teams. They stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: And if he'd remained in and taken the lead would this post have happened? No. People need to take a step back and think for a change. This post wouldn’t have happened, but Allen does need to tone down the reckless play regardless. If not for the reckless play (poor decision making) he wouldn’t have been knocked out of the game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: 3 picks= failure. Don't get me wrong I think he will be just fine but he played poorly today. And tow more fumbles, one lost. I think he will get better but how many games will it take? 5? 10? 15? At what point do you know a guy won;t get better? I have no idea. I suspect McD doesn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 He turns the ball over way too much. It starting to be a repetitive issue 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, corta765 said: But he didn’t. Sorry I like Josh but for the season he is 3 TDs to 6 INTs plus 3 lost fumbles. After two games where the error was pointing up he has now had two games where the error went decidedly down. The defense will not be great forever and I want my QB to be better straight up Convenient you're not including his 3 rush TDs as well. But hey, whatever. You do you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I am an Allen fan- but agree with you. Bad mechanics, holding the ball too long 3 picks just a step back today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed. Terrible performance. It’ll get better Right. He’s had two good games (Jets Giants) one average (Bengals) and one bad which was today which makes you ask some hard questions. This isn’t a panic button he has started just 16 games as much as a well I like what you’ve shown but I need better for it to work long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 100% he failed today. You can see the fear and the poor decision making from the get go. Way too much respect for the Pats. Lets hope he learns to not get in his own head like that against stronger opponents 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, corta765 said: But he didn’t. Sorry I like Josh but for the season he is 3 TDs to 6 INTs plus 3 lost fumbles. After two games where the error was pointing up he has now had two games where the error went decidedly down. The defense will not be great forever and I want my QB to be better straight up how many Running TDS. I mean we want to count all his turnovers shouldn’t we count all his TDs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, corta765 said: Right. He’s had two good games (Jets Giants) one average (Bengals) and one bad which was today which makes you ask some hard questions. This isn’t a panic button he has started just 16 games as much as a well I like what you’ve shown but I need better for it to work long term. It will be better. He played against a championship defense. You know this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: how many Running TDS. I mean we want to count all his turnovers shouldn’t we count all his TDs Can't do that, skews the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: I am an Allen fan- but agree with you. Bad mechanics, holding the ball too long 3 picks just a step back today. Right step back happens you hope it’s just a step and he goes forward from here. I would like a stretch with less turnovers it’s getting concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Young QB with still less than a full season under his belt. He is going to have bad moments. What concerns me are the bad decisions he is making - taking sacks that knock you out of FG range, and throwing those awful off balance interceptions as he rolls out. Just hope he learns from this sooner rather than later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, Ethan in Portland said: And tow more fumbles, one lost. I think he will get better but how many games will it take? 5? 10? 15? At what point do you know a guy won;t get better? I have no idea. I suspect McD doesn't either. If Allen keeps making mistakes at this rate all season I’ll be worried. My hope after the 3-0 start was for Allen to keep learning how to reduce mistakes while the defense carried the team to victories this year. I’ll be worried if we start losing games, and Allen keeps making bad decisions with no sign of improvement once the offseason arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: 100% he failed today. You can see the fear and the poor decision making from the get go. Way too much respect for the Pats. Lets hope he learns to not get in his own head like that against stronger opponents On a Side not BB has been doing this for years to young QBs. Ala Dick Lambeau Edited September 29, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) I don't think the offensive game plan helped Allen's play. Why not quick slants, out-patterns or draws?? Maybe the plan was to show off Josh's arm and stretch the defense but obviously that failed. That nice, quick play drive to start the 3rd quarter was never brought back again? Edited September 29, 2019 by Stallions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 They lost because of Allen today plain and simple. Rather he finished the game or not he made some completely meatheaded plays. I haven’t given up on him yet but he’s played enough to start making these adjustments. His need for the big throw and homerun VS the safer shorter route is maddening as a fan. I hope he’s ok, and I absolutely want him starting against another pretty nasty defense in Tennessee. If he can’t learn from his mistakes and get better then at least we’ll know by seasons end if he’s franchise material or not. He needs to play every possible down though this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, corta765 said: Right step back happens you hope it’s just a step and he goes forward from here. I would like a stretch with less turnovers it’s getting concerning. Amen- now take 2 steps forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: how many Running TDS. I mean we want to count all his turnovers shouldn’t we count all his TDs Sure 6 TDs total against 9 turnovers. I don’t want my QB committing 36 turnovers it’s not sustainable. He needs to do better I believe he can but today was a step back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Yep, he didn't get it done. News flash: great defenses make even good QBs look bad. It happened to Brady today. Both offenses scored a total of 1 TD and 1 FG each. He still had the team in the game when he left. He'll learn from it, and we'll see how he responds. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Agreed. He failed. Agreed with others, that it's one game. He will pass other tests in the future. And fail some more. This can be a 10-11 win team this season, let's hope Allen gets healthy fast and keeps learning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 He didn't fail. But he has to get better stop being hero ball all of the time. Sometimes gotta take what it gives him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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