Is Cam Newton Done

[muppy]

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Kyle Allen is 4-0 as a started in Charlotte.   

 

1-0 last season and 3-0 this season.  

 

Bye Cam.   

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[prissythecat]

I had been looking for the below old thread from seasons back.   It wasn't  easy to find since the original poster did a name change.     But here is a great blast from the past from Maury who now posts under a different identity .   

 

Always  entertaining to read Maury's takes on QBs  as Cam is now probably done and will be a mere footnote in NFL while   Fitz  will continue to be a  relevant QB  .

 

 

 

[KD in CA]

^  Boy, the Cam fans were really in victory lap mode before that Super Bowl.  But he's been pretty pedestrian since that day.

 

[Rocky Landing]

On 9/13/2019 at 8:43 AM, prissythecat said:

After 2015 ,  Cam has had 2 bad seasons and 1 "ok"  season.   Injury  and loss of key players (Josh Norman cough cough) may be cited as reasons for  the sub par succeeding seasons.   But after last night's loss in which Cam often missed easy throws to open receivers and couldn't  gain positive yardage on carries, one wonders if Cam has any way to adjust to a game after his physical abilities may have gone into a steep decline.  More traditional pocket QBs can compensate as they age / decline because they know how to read a defense and can use their remaining physical abilities to their fullest.

 

Prissy, I think you should merge this with your other bizarre thread about Mariota, and title it: "Should the Panthers and Titans trade Quarterbacks?"

[prissythecat]

39 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Prissy, I think you should merge this with your other bizarre thread about Mariota, and title it: "Should the Panthers and Titans trade Quarterbacks?"

 

Why would the Titans want to trade for a broken RB masquerading as a QB?   The Panthers look like they may have their QB of the future in Kyle Allen .  While the Titans may just tank for a QB by playing Tannehill.

[Putin]

On 9/13/2019 at 10:43 AM, prissythecat said:

After 2015 ,  Cam has had 2 bad seasons and 1 "ok"  season.   Injury  and loss of key players (Josh Norman cough cough) may be cited as reasons for  the sub par succeeding seasons.   But after last night's loss in which Cam often missed easy throws to open receivers and couldn't  gain positive yardage on carries, one wonders if Cam has any way to adjust to a game after his physical abilities may have gone into a steep decline.  More traditional pocket QBs can compensate as they age / decline because they know how to read a defense and can use their remaining physical abilities to their fullest.

 

And this is Bills related because?

[prissythecat]

5 minutes ago, Putin said:

And this is Bills related because?

 

This is a football forum .   We post more than just about the Bills.  

[TheFunPolice]

Matt Ryan and Cam Newton

 

2 men whose MVP seasons and subsequent careers were ruined by a Super Bowl loss

 

Matt Ryan is the worst situation. That was a resounding win that he blew. At least Cam got blown out, so no chance to get his hopes up 

 

Neither guy has ever been the same

 

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

35 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Why would the Titans want to trade for a broken RB masquerading as a QB?   The Panthers look like they may have their QB of the future in Kyle Allen .  While the Titans may just tank for a QB by playing Tannehill.

Well, here I am trying to be sarcastic, and you just go ahead and double down. Well played, sir!

 

EDIT: Or, uh... ma'am. Whichever the case may be...

Edited October 15, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[Hapless Bills Fan]

41 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Why would the Titans want to trade for a broken RB masquerading as a QB?   The Panthers look like they may have their QB of the future in Kyle Allen .  While the Titans may just tank for a QB by playing Tannehill.

 

If playing Tannehill were a successful strategy to tank for a QB, why wouldn't the Dolphins have done it?

[MJS]

I think Cam could have been much better than he has been in the league. He is his own worst enemy. Chirps way too much and puts a target on himself doing so, and then when things don't go well for him he shuts down and puts a towel over his head as he sulks.

[prissythecat]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If playing Tannehill were a successful strategy to tank for a QB, why wouldn't the Dolphins have done it?

 

Cheaper to pay for a guy on a rookie wage scale?  ?

[foreboding]

I think he is. His lack of passion for the work required will be more evident as his superhuman skills deteriorate. 

[JoeF]

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/831-hits-counting-toll-cam-newtons-punishing-playing/story?id=42831795

 

Three more years of hits after this article.  I don't care how good you are -- this takes a toll mentally and physically.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Cheaper to pay for a guy on a rookie wage scale?  ?

 

A second round pick plus $7M guaranteed to Fitzpatrick.  In addition they have $18M dead cap on the books for Tannehill.

No, cheaper wasn't a factor.

 

4 minutes ago, JoeF said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/831-hits-counting-toll-cam-newtons-punishing-playing/story?id=42831795

 

Three more years of hits after this article.  I don't care how good you are -- this takes a toll mentally and physically.

 

Yes.  I hope Allen takes Favre and Brady's advice to heart.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, KD in CA said:

^  Boy, the Cam fans were really in victory lap mode before that Super Bowl.  But he's been pretty pedestrian since that day.

 

He was having one of the best seasons of his career last year before the injuries caught up.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00.htm

 

i guess I’m the minority but I still think when healthy, he’s a good qb.  He just May never be healthy again.  It’s also why Allen needs to be careful as a runner. 

[JoeF]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes.  I hope Allen takes Favre and Brady's advice to heart.

Cam is one tough son of a B word and a great competitor. I could care less that he dresses like a Russian babushka ?...but yes he might be done. 

[Seoulofstone]

10 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Matt Ryan and Cam Newton

 

2 men whose MVP seasons and subsequent careers were ruined by a Super Bowl loss

 

Matt Ryan is the worst situation. That was a resounding win that he blew. At least Cam got blown out, so no chance to get his hopes up 

 

Neither guy has ever been the same

 

 

 

 

Complete nonsense. Don't confuse franchise success with individual performance. 

 

Ryan this season;

 

6 games 2011 yds, 15 TDs 7 ints, 72 comp %> clearly playing at a remarkably high level.

 

Newton (playing injured)

2 games 572 yds 0TDs 1 int.  56 comp %> had no run threat because of injury completely changing his level of threat.

 

Admittedly poor but he's had numerous huge single-handed wins against impressive D's since his MVP year in 2015 including @ philly, Minnesota NE and Baltimore. He regularly has 300 yard games despite a very average cast of WRs.

 

 People want him gone because they don't like how he comes across, there is unlikely to be a fanbase in the league that would be excited about acquiring him, but he's a pretty long way from useless.

[Buffalo Boy]

Kyle Allen is a backup , game manager playing with a D and rushing attack that is making his life easy. 7 takeaways by the Panthers D on Sunday!!!

    Cam is supposed to start practicing next week. The consensus here is he will sit the San Fran game and come back, at the earliest , the game after. It will depend on how his foot reacts to practice as a Lis Franc is a tricky injury to heal.

     Healthy Cam’s ceiling is stratosphericly higher than Kyle Allen’s. 
     IF, Allen destroys the San Fran D it might go differently but the Panthers want to see Cam so they can decide which direction to go in next year.
    

[KD in CA]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He was having one of the best seasons of his career last year before the injuries caught up.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00.htm

 

i guess I’m the minority but I still think when healthy, he’s a good qb.  He just May never be healthy again.  It’s also why Allen needs to be careful as a runner. 

 

Yes, one of his best seasons but he wasn't in the top 10 of any passing category.   By modern standards it was an average season -- nothing special.  And a losing record.

 

I've seen him look great and pull games out of his ass single handedly.  But I've also seen a lot of very mediocre play.  That's who he is....ups and downs.  And the former are getting less frequent as the years go by.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Kyle Allen is a backup , game manager playing with a D and rushing attack that is making his life easy. 7 takeaways by the Panthers D on Sunday!!!

    Cam is supposed to start practicing next week. The consensus here is he will sit the San Fran game and come back, at the earliest , the game after. It will depend on how his foot reacts to practice as a Lis Franc is a tricky injury to heal.

     Healthy Cam’s ceiling is stratosphericly higher than Kyle Allen’s. 
     IF, Allen destroys the San Fran D it might go differently but the Panthers want to see Cam so they can decide which direction to go in next year.

 

If Cam truly has a Lisfranc injury and has not had fixation (surgery), practicing next week and coming back after the SF game would be a pretty aggressive schedule.
 

Where's @Mr. WEO? 

The info I have says non-surgical treatment of a lisfranc is non-weight-bearing casting for 6 weeks.  Now I'm sure Cam has access to SOFTA treatment like 0g treadmills and so forth, but he went out Sept 12, so 6 weeks of casting would have the cast come off Oct 27.  Then he's got to rehab the muscles to avoid re-injury and get back into playing shape.

 

[Nihilarian]

On 9/27/2019 at 1:55 PM, Margarita said:

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That's hilarious if its him...

 

If the Panthers don't want him anymore I'll bet a half a dozen teams would.

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If Cam truly has a Lisfranc injury and has not had fixation (surgery), practicing next week and coming back after the SF game would be a pretty aggressive schedule.
 

Where's @Mr. WEO? 

The info I have says non-surgical treatment of a lisfranc is non-weight-bearing casting for 6 weeks.  Now I'm sure Cam has access to SOFTA treatment like 0g treadmills and so forth, but he went out Sept 12, so 6 weeks of casting would have the cast come off Oct 27.  Then he's got to rehab the muscles to avoid re-injury and get back into playing shape.

 

    Just reporting what I’m hearing on WFNZ in Charlotte. 
    No one has set a time to play just that he is to resume practice. 
    I originally tried to post this in the Cam Trade thread it was shut down as I was writing it so I copy/ pasted here.

Edited October 16, 2019 by Buffalo Boy

[Dopey]

8 hours ago, Putin said:

And this is Bills related because?

Because the jalen Ramsey thread is. 

[Mat68]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Kyle Allen is a backup , game manager playing with a D and rushing attack that is making his life easy. 7 takeaways by the Panthers D on Sunday!!!

    Cam is supposed to start practicing next week. The consensus here is he will sit the San Fran game and come back, at the earliest , the game after. It will depend on how his foot reacts to practice as a Lis Franc is a tricky injury to heal.

     Healthy Cam’s ceiling is stratosphericly higher than Kyle Allen’s. 
     IF, Allen destroys the San Fran D it might go differently but the Panthers want to see Cam so they can decide which direction to go in next year.
    

The way the offense and team is playing they are not changing.  He is not him now but Brady back in the day was in the same situation.  Game manager but winning games.  Bledsoe came back boom on the bench.  That was a massive deal at the time.  MVP caliber seasons.  Bledsoe lead the franchise to the Super Bowl 4 years prior.  Very similar parallels.  Cam has good football in him.  How much?  Idk.  Allen would have to play very bad to go to Cam.  

[HiddenInLight]

My brother in law is a Panthers fan and has been saying it's about time to move on from cam since last year.  He was already souring on him during the superbowl run.  Personally I think Norv Turner needs to get the axe first. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I wonder why they didn't do this sooner.   Takes a long time to come back from Lisfranc injury.   

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reported last week that Newton has been frustrated with how slowly his injury was healing. He visited foot expert Dr. Robert Anderson on Friday to get more options on his recovery, and as Hurney said, the news wasn’t encouraging

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-panthers-place-cam-newton-on-ir-ending-his-season-183608743.html

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 11/5/2019 at 2:08 PM, SlimShady'sGhost said:

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reported last week that Newton has been frustrated with how slowly his injury was healing. He visited foot expert Dr. Robert Anderson on Friday to get more options on his recovery, and as Hurney said, the news wasn’t encouraging

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-panthers-place-cam-newton-on-ir-ending-his-season-183608743.html

 

Saying Newton to IR on Tues.  Didn't see this elsewhere.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2019/11/05/cam-newton-injury-carolina-panthers-injured-reserve/4166775002/

 

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/05/panthers-cam-newton-injured-reserve-2019-season-over/

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

On 10/16/2019 at 5:31 AM, HiddenInLight said:

My brother in law is a Panthers fan and has been saying it's about time to move on from cam since last year.  He was already souring on him during the superbowl run.

Your brother in law was souring on an MVP QB who lead the Panthers to the Superbowl? That seems odd.

 

I think he's taken too many hits and will never get back to where he was, but I can't imagine being displeased during the SB run.

[MJS]

I used to like Cam alright, but my first REAL exposure to what kind of person he is was this preseason when we had joint practices and then the preseason game. Before that I always questioned his leadership because how he would mope on the sidelines in bad games and during press conferences, but I always thought the criticism was overblown.

 

But after this preseason, by opinion has changed.

 

What. A. Tool. He is the most narcissistic fool I have seen. Always chirping. He's a dog that's all bark and no bite. Now I can't stand him. I can see trash talking during a game, but all day during practice? While standing on the sidelines? Everything that comes from his mouth is just bloviated foolishness.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Your brother in law was souring on an MVP QB who lead the Panthers to the Superbowl? That seems odd.

 

I think he's taken too many hits and will never get back to where he was, but I can't imagine being displeased during the SB run.

 

Cam, similar to Andrew Luck, is another example of a franchise mismanaging an injured QB to their and his long-term detriment.

 

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

I used to like Cam alright, but my first REAL exposure to what kind of person he is was this preseason when we had joint practices and then the preseason game. Before that I always questioned his leadership because how he would mope on the sidelines in bad games and during press conferences, but I always thought the criticism was overblown.

 

But after this preseason, by opinion has changed.

 

What. A. Tool. He is the most narcissistic fool I have seen. Always chirping. He's a dog that's all bark and no bite. Now I can't stand him. I can see trash talking during a game, but all day during practice? While standing on the sidelines? Everything that comes from his mouth is just bloviated foolishness.

 

I dunno how the chirping comes across to the players, but I must admire a poster who uses the phrase "bloviated foolishness"

[Reed83HOF]

So this pretty much seals the deal. Once Cam is cut in the offseason, he will come here to back up Allen

[MJS]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

So this pretty much seals the deal. Once Cam is cut in the offseason, he will come here to back up Allen

Cam's not the type to accept a backup role. Plus, even if he leaves Carolina there's another team out there that will give him a big contract and a starting job. One such team is the Miami Dolphins. But I'm sure there are others. Washington Redskins, perhaps.

[Reed83HOF]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

Cam's not the type to accept a backup role. Plus, even if he leaves Carolina there's another team out there that will give him a big contract and a starting job. One such team is the Miami Dolphins. But I'm sure there are others. Washington Redskins, perhaps.

I was joking...

[stuvian]

On 9/24/2019 at 12:31 PM, VW82 said:

I think he's done in Carolina. Vick called it first and I agree with him. Cam needs to sit out the full year and maybe more. He'll come back and be good again if he does that. Football is a rough sport.  

sitting out for a year might be his best option. I've always liked him and think he's a very special talent. He never had much of a supporting cast outside of Greg Olsen and McCaffrey. He's been way overused as a short yardage back though and it may have prematurely ended his career. 

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Cam's not the type to accept a backup role. Plus, even if he leaves Carolina there's another team out there that will give him a big contract and a starting job. One such team is the Miami Dolphins. But I'm sure there are others. Washington Redskins, perhaps.

 

A big contract for an old, disillusioned, broken down Cam Newton?  I guess anything is possible.

 

This is a guy who's great when everything is running in his favor.  But once anything starts to go wrong, he has no fortitude.  A mental midget. 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

I used to like Cam alright, but my first REAL exposure to what kind of person he is was this preseason when we had joint practices and then the preseason game. Before that I always questioned his leadership because how he would mope on the sidelines in bad games and during press conferences, but I always thought the criticism was overblown.

 

But after this preseason, by opinion has changed.

 

What. A. Tool. He is the most narcissistic fool I have seen. Always chirping. He's a dog that's all bark and no bite. Now I can't stand him. I can see trash talking during a game, but all day during practice? While standing on the sidelines? Everything that comes from his mouth is just bloviated foolishness.

 

ive never liked him so this isn't surprising to me.