Mitch Morse update - out of protocol, opens up about concussion

[vincec]

On 8/27/2019 at 11:59 AM, John from Riverside said:

I am sure that everyone is afraid of bad hand offs and what not due to lack of practice with Josh

 

I am as well.....but I think they will get it worked out quick

 

I just feel good knowing we have some guys that can play the position.....the question becomes when Morse does come back what do we do with Jon Feliciano....he has shown himself too good of a player to sit

If Morse starts at center then Feliciano will be RG with Ford at RT, and Nsekhe as "swing" tackle, IMO.

 

But I have a bad feeling that Morse will not start next Sunday. I've been hearing how it's nothing and he'll be back any second for all of training camp and the preseason, but he's still in concussion protocol and not cleared to play. And the decision as to when he's cleared is supposedly out of the teams hands, so I'm skeptical of all this speculation that it's just gamesmanship by the Bills.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

Yea. Those games. Just like he was clear and sat today.

 

Why bother playing him in the most meaningless game there is?

 

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You mean AB too?

 

I didn't see Morse sitting out because he couldn't wear his helmet. 

1 hour ago, vincec said:

If Morse starts at center then Feliciano will be RG with Ford at RT, and Nsekhe as "swing" tackle, IMO.

 

But I have a bad feeling that Morse will not start next Sunday. I've been hearing how it's nothing and he'll be back any second for all of training camp and the preseason, but he's still in concussion protocol and not cleared to play. And the decision as to when he's cleared is supposedly out of the teams hands, so I'm skeptical of all this speculation that it's just gamesmanship by the Bills.

 

He was removed from concussion protocol today, vince.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Doc

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Why bother playing him in the most meaningless game there is?

 

 

I didn't see Morse sitting out because he couldn't wear his helmet. 

 

Shocker!  He'll start.

 

No need to. 

 

And if if he was clear and sat last week that’s fine too!

 

why fake him being in protocol, essentially, as some allege 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

No need to. 

 

And if if he was clear and sat last week that’s fine too!

 

why fake him being in protocol, essentially, as some allege 

 

Because it's a concussion and Morse has had a few so far. 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Because it's a concussion and Morse has had a few so far. 

Have you had a recent one? I feel like this conversation is whizzing past you even quicker than normal.

 

i obviously understand why you wouldn’t play him on a practical level. I’m arguing you should just get him cleared and own the decision instead of holding off on testing so you can pretend to hide behind not being cleared. 

[Doc]

Just now, NoSaint said:

Have you had a recent one? I feel like this conversation is whizzing past you even quicker than normal.

 

i obviously understand why you wouldn’t play him on a practical level. I’m arguing you should just get him cleared and own the decision instead of holding off on testing so you can pretend to hide behind not being cleared. 

 

Yes, it's obvious what you were getting at.  Does it make a difference?  Would you have slept better at night knowing he was cleared, say, a week ago but still held out of practice/games for precaution's sake?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

So it was a knee to the head.  This board talked a lot of smack about him being out after the 3rd day of practice, implying that a strong breeze could give him another concussion.  This always seemed dramatic.  The fact that it was a knee to his head proves that it still required a unique, inordinate type of hit to give him this concussion. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Wow.  I seriously hope he reconsiders taking "a few more," before contemplating retirement. And I'm sorry, but a knee to the head is far from a "once in a career," kind of thing.  Especially in the trenches.

 

I hope he has family/friends/loved ones talking some sense into him.  One more and he should really just let it go, in my opinion.

 

 

[Ga boy]

I hope he says the train horn must go.  It gives me headaches.  Seriously, good to hear that he loves the game.  He sounds like a football player.  Go Bills!!

 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Sounds like a real one. 

Salute to him.

[NewEra]

Bad feeling about this

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Well, statistically, he certainly is...

[LeGOATski]

I'm gad he's doing what he loves, but this sounds like the beginning of the end.

[SomeDudeAtHome]

53 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Wow.  I seriously hope he reconsiders taking "a few more," before contemplating retirement. And I'm sorry, but a knee to the head is far from a "once in a career," kind of thing.  Especially in the trenches.

 

I hope he has family/friends/loved ones talking some sense into him.  One more and he should really just let it go, in my opinion.

 

 

Agreed. While I'd love for him to play he needs to think about his future. Not sure how many people here have read the story about his brother but he needs to be "with it" for him as they age. 

Edited September 2, 2019 by SomeDudeAtHome

[BillsFan692]

On 8/27/2019 at 3:36 PM, Stank_Nasty said:

enjoying cantaloupe and never having met someone who hasn't.... that's where. this is the first I've run into it.

 

 

"cantaloupe is one of those divisive foods" is definitely on a list of random things I thought i'd never see anyone actually say.... I guess that's a thing?

 

 

 

 I hate cantaloupe 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Wow.  I seriously hope he reconsiders taking "a few more," before contemplating retirement. And I'm sorry, but a knee to the head is far from a "once in a career," kind of thing.  Especially in the trenches.

 

I hope he has family/friends/loved ones talking some sense into him.  One more and he should really just let it go, in my opinion.

 

 

 

He was adopted at and early age by the Ryan Shazier family....

 

Bur seriously, how can a Center claim getting kneed in the head is a rare event??

[MiltonWaddams]

Shazier jokes? Really?

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Shazier jokes? Really?

 

 

Look up.  The point just sailed over your head.

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

He was adopted at and early age by the Ryan Shazier family....

 

Bur seriously, how can a Center claim getting kneed in the head is a rare event??

 

Maybe because...he's never been kneed in the head before?

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Maybe because...he's never been kneed in the head before?

 

 

Not that the mechanism of injury matters.  But it's not uncommon I bet.

[WideNine]

On 8/26/2019 at 12:29 PM, MR8 said:

Tracking well for him to play week 1... The writing was on the wall after week 1 of preseason that their goal was to have him ready by week 1 of the regular season and they didn't care at all about Preseason.

 

Something that stuck with me a bit was Knox saying that when he had his injury the trainers intentionally took it slower and longer with him during his recovery.  He said he had never had a hamstring injury of any kind and the trainers told him they were going to work slower with him on in to make sure there was no recurrence down the road.  

 

When I heard that it really struck me because I feel like in professional sports trainers and coaches pound the table about getting a guy back "As soon as he's ready" which is just coach speak for "as soon as possible, and he mans up to play."    But as the league has changed, and frankly the Bills have changed with their new sports science approach, I am wondering if they are intentionally taking longer with players and injury recovery time tables to try and minimize flair ups and additional injuries.

 

Maybe Knox wasn't the only one they decided to keep out longer to prevent further exacerbating the injury... maybe Morse was tracking better than we all thought, but they held him in each phase just a bit longer, because frankly they didn't care if he played in preseason or not.  While chemistry with the line and Allen is important, getting him to 100% is WAY more important.  SO once he showed symptoms of a concussion, the decision was essentially made "We're taking all preseason to manage this". 

 

I don't hate the approach...

 

As a fan I want to see everyone on the field, but when you look at the average athlete's recovery time from injuries, and the rate of how quickly those injuries then reoccur, maybe there is something to lengthening the process for rehabbing and doing it right rather than doing is quick.  It may not be "best for the team" in that your top guys aren't out there, but it's best for the player, and long run ideally best for your team because the player is less likely to re-injure themselves and be back off the field again. 

 

 

 

With the investment they make in players, giving time for injuries to fully heal is the smart move.

 

That being said, the games are not on the line yet. Players will play through more dings during the regular season, and there is likely more pressure to do so.

 

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

He will retire when he is ready

 

on with the season

[fansince88]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Homey say what?

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Not that the mechanism of injury matters.  But it's not uncommon I bet.

 

For him it is.

 

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

He will retire when he is ready

 

on with the season

 

Yup.  He's a big boy and as he said, he knew what he was getting himself into.  Let's hope he stays healthy for awhile now.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

So it was a knee to the head.  This board talked a lot of smack about him being out after the 3rd day of practice, implying that a strong breeze could give him another concussion.  This always seemed dramatic.  The fact that it was a knee to his head proves that it still required a unique, inordinate type of hit to give him this concussion. 

 

True... but 

 

-still his fourth

-still had him going to a lot of specialists

-still was asking career impacting questions

-still was in CP for a long time 

-still needs to be pointed out it was literally padded practice #1 

 

This topic is a watchlist topicto be sure. Lineman taking knees to the head is not rare. It can happen any time you cut block. 

 

I want nothing but the best for Mitch-  he’s certainly got a much bigger decision to make with the next one,  should it happen. 

 

[benderbender]

5 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

 I hate cantaloupe 

I dislike it as well

[nucci]

10 hours ago, Ga boy said:

I hope he says the train horn must go.  It gives me headaches.  Seriously, good to hear that he loves the game.  He sounds like a football player.  Go Bills!!

 

He is a football player

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

I sincerely hope Mitch is okay... something about that interview seemed off. Did anyone else notice that he repeated the same answer twice, twice? I've seen it happen before but this struck me as really odd and I needed to make sure the video wasn't bouncing back. It was like he was giving the answer for the first time. I want to chalk it up to a coincidence (after all, he's been through all of the professional tests that say he's fine), but it was concerning.

[skibum]

It would appear to me that a knee to the head, or its equivalent, is a fairly common event in the trenches of a NFL game. I hope I'm wrong, but I also hope we draft a center early next April.