mrags Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, aristocrat said: Well he wouldn’t be keeping it up without good throws from Allen would he? Or really good OLine play. I didnt get to see every play as I was busy. But the highlights I watched, made it look like Allen had all the time in the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Honest question to all saying preseason doesn't matter, for say the last 19 years have the bills ever looked good in preseason? Or has it always been average to below average? Because id say for once the bills look good and I have no clue what it means The Bills, when they were in the SB every year had pretty poor W-L preseason records. A 1-3 record was about par for the course. I think that was more a function of Marv's Club Med training camp and preseason. There was so much pure starting talent on those teams that those players got very little ps playing time and Marv and crew were basically interviewing for the last 5 spots in the majority of the ps games. Today it appears like the Bills have emerging talent like the Kelly era. The starters may not be quite as good yet but the depth is phenomenal. Allen has the chance to be Kelly with a bigger arm. While no one running back on the roster is as good as Thurman, that's a deep and talented group on our roster. The OL has at least 10 average or above average players and the WR group is causing consternation as to who will be cut. On defense, the DL line is certainly above average with the potential to be top 5. The secondary is as deep a secondary as there is in the NFL while the LB's have 2 guys that could be pro bowl players. I've never been a Pollyanna but this team has been built to compete and overcome the injuries that are sure to come. I'm feeling that it's like 1989 again, with the only difference that today I'm completely capable of turning a triple into a real close double. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 The good I'm seeing is more than just flashes like the past. I see depth. I see see direction. Im confident that even if JA falters, this team is finally made up of adults who at 6 and 10 or 10 and 6 will compete and look like a quality club. That helps sell me not just on the season, but on the next 5 years or so. I feel really good right now, and I'm an expert on reading too much into preseason, but this is different. From top to bottom this is the best Buffalo roster since 1999. Print it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) Just seems like the entire team (including coaching) has improved and is going to make significant improvement this season. Again, it really all hinges on Allen but he looks like an improved player and seeing accuracy from him are good signs so far. Worst case 8-8 best probably 11-5. Realistic 9-7 or 10-6. The difference in a few more wins will come down to just a few plays on the season in all likelihood. Could go either way for best case. There is reason to have optimism! Go Bills!! Edited August 17, 2019 by BuffaloButt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 hours ago, mrags said: Or really good OLine play. I didnt get to see every play as I was busy. But the highlights I watched, made it look like Allen had all the time in the world. Allen actually was getting pressured quite a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) Last I remember, playoff and Super Bowl bound teams were winning in Nov., Dec. & Jan., not in August. Edited August 17, 2019 by I am the egg man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: But it has just been two piles of ***** put in front of them. Aka the top .000001% of football players in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I want to believe... But.. Peterman looked good in preseason.. Youre going to have to let Nate go. He was a unicorn ... capable of doing things no man has done before. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 This is definitely different. This is the early workings of a well oiled machine in progress. IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 12 hours ago, matter2003 said: If Allen's play carries over to the regular season they will win10 or 11 games ..."Allen" and "carries" in the same sentence is the part that makes me nervous....needs to be more selective regarding when or if versus last year IMO............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 50 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Last I remember, playoff and Super Bowl bound teams were winning in Nov., Dec. & Jan., not in August. That's the spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpsuit Jim Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 My optimism doesn’t stem from a preseason win. It stems from how the offense and defense looked. The offense was crisp. Everyone was on the same page. The pocket was, for the most part, clean. The routes were precise. Allen got the ball out quickly and accurately. The defense applied pressure. Coverage was tight. They are SO FREAKING FAST. They were able to impose their will on the Panthers. That at is what I liked. They weren’t a dumpster fire. They looked like a good football team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Isnt that kind of how it happens tho? One year the team just finally busts out and is really good? 13 minutes ago, Jumpsuit Jim said: My optimism doesn’t stem from a preseason win. It stems from how the offense and defense looked. The offense was crisp. Everyone was on the same page. The pocket was, for the most part, clean. The routes were precise. Allen got the ball out quickly and accurately. The defense applied pressure. Coverage was tight. They are SO FREAKING FAST. They were able to impose their will on the Panthers. That at is what I liked. They weren’t a dumpster fire. They looked like a good football team. In both games it looked like if the starters kept playing they could have played for a week straight and the other team would have never gotten the lead...thats what is impressive to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Allen actually was getting pressured quite a bit I saw replays of a bunch of his completions and to me it looked like the pocket was massive and no one around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Shortchaz said: Could have a top 15 defense and a top 20 offense, might get interesting. Well, since they had a top 3 defense last year, that would be a bit disappointing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 13 hours ago, zevo said: For ***** sakes people...enjoy a real nfl qb for once...my god...it’s ok to be optimistic hopefully this year we finally can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Youre going to have to let Nate go. He was a unicorn ... capable of doing things no man has done before. Like 8/8 his last time out? Preseason All Pro/MVP. At this rate Gruden may yank the rug out from under Carr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Like 8/8 his last time out? Preseason All Pro/MVP. At this rate Gruden may yank the rug out from under Carr! Yes the Peyton Manning of third string vs unschemed vanilla defenses in games that don’t count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Yes the Peyton Manning of third string vs unschemed vanilla defenses in games that don’t count. It’s just so weird that other QB’s obviously better than him in reg season can’t duplicate his preseason form against the same unschemed vanilla defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: Well, since they had a top 3 defense last year, that would be a bit disappointing... According to ESPN we were 2nd in yards allowed per game but we were also the 18th ranked scoring defense. We just couldn't keep teams from scoring once they got in the red zone. Is that going to change this year? We're still a little small up front but I bet we're much better. Year 2/3 in the McD system for a lot of our starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Jumpsuit Jim said: My optimism doesn’t stem from a preseason win. It stems from how the offense and defense looked. The offense was crisp. Everyone was on the same page. The pocket was, for the most part, clean. The routes were precise. Allen got the ball out quickly and accurately. The defense applied pressure. Coverage was tight. They are SO FREAKING FAST. They were able to impose their will on the Panthers. That at is what I liked. They weren’t a dumpster fire. They looked like a good football team. This is exactly the point. It's not that we have won 2 meaningless games, it's how the entire team has looked doing it. Execution has been pretty darned good all over the field; we seem to have more depth at all positions than this organization has had in a very long time. We have seen fewer mistakes and fewer of the meathead variety, like some numb-nut wideout lining up Offside or an unnecessary false start. That comes down to coaching and discipline. I would suggest our talent level, overall, is greater than Indy's, even if Luck didn't play. And then you have Allen's performance last night and his success with Beasley. They looked like Brady and Edelman. Controlled, measured, nothing too greedy, and just steadily moving straight down the field. People will laugh, but we have almost felt like a team made in the New England mold. Solid depth all over the field, a super high probability, controlled passing game, great execution, and no dumb mistakes. If you can do those things on a very consistent basis in this league, you will win a lot of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: It’s just so weird that other QB’s obviously better than him in reg season can’t duplicate his preseason form against the same unschemed vanilla defenses. Trent Edward was an absolute superstar in training camp. some guys just can’t adjust to the speed of the top level game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Trent Edward was an absolute superstar in training camp. some guys just can’t adjust to the speed of the top level game. I agree totally. I just think that it’s odd that the reverse isn’t necessarily also true—the guys that shine in a real game can’t always adjust to a weaker D attack in front of them? Just an observation I find strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: Well, since they had a top 3 defense last year, that would be a bit disappointing... we want a top 10 defense in points and turnovers. Yards is not really a good measuring stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Has a team ever won every preseason, regular season, and postseason game? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 23 hours ago, VW82 said: According to ESPN we were 2nd in yards allowed per game but we were also the 18th ranked scoring defense. We just couldn't keep teams from scoring once they got in the red zone. Is that going to change this year? We're still a little small up front but I bet we're much better. Year 2/3 in the McD system for a lot of our starters. Here's what would fix that right up: If, on just one or maybe two drives per game, instead of going 3 and out, just put together a couple first downs. Keep the defense off the field and give them a rest. Flip the field position. Maybe an extra figgie. It wouldn't take much. Momentum in football is a whiplash, but driving the ball on offense just kills any emotion on the other side. It's encouraging that it looks like that's exactly what the coaches are trying to make the offense work on... matriculating the ball down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Here's what would fix that right up: If, on just one or maybe two drives per game, instead of going 3 and out, just put together a couple first downs. Keep the defense off the field and give them a rest. Flip the field position. Maybe an extra figgie. It wouldn't take much. Momentum in football is a whiplash, but driving the ball on offense just kills any emotion on the other side. It's encouraging that it looks like that's exactly what the coaches are trying to make the offense work on... matriculating the ball down the field. We don't start Peterman for 1 half of a game and we probably end up ranked top 10 scoring defense lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 8:06 PM, zevo said: For ***** sakes people...enjoy a real nfl qb for once...my god...it’s ok to be optimistic Years of conditioning and the "how will this team ***** defeat from the jaws of victory" have been pretty much ingrained. Too many Billsy moments to count...I will never forget friggin Lonnie running free at Green Bay and failing to account for the 11th man on the GB squad - a safety. Pointing at himself on the jumbo tron and jogging to what he thought was a sure score only to see a blur of green and yellow on the jumbo tron he was staring at and getting destroyed and fumbling the ball. Moments like those over and over again and the constant churn of coaches and staff made the Bills less of a contender and more of a joke in the league. Even fans of other teams and TV personalities would openly assume this organization would find a way to lose. Steady ownership, team leadership, and strategic personnel moves and I believe that the culture and tone out of OBD has changed. Gradually, those outside the organization are starting to take note of the change and are not sure what to make of it. We have talking heads on sports programs saying things like, " I will go out on a limb" and saying positive things about this team - it is different. If the glass-half-full crowd are honest they all want to hope, but cannot bear having that hope crushed - they are probably the hardest core fans of all of us. But this squad looks really good with the pieces that McBeane has assembled. Objectively, Allen is growing in this 2nd year in this offense and does not look as lost as to where the ball should go, and is getting it there more often than not. The offensive line is holding up better and will be even better still if Morse can come back healthy. And our defense (which was already good) may even be better this year. Baby steps - nothing wrong with saying this team has to earn back some of that hope and trust to ease some of the most die-hard fans back from the edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) ...admittedly and understandably reservations, doubts and trepidations abound...... 17 year "drought" causes dehydrations and hallucinations......multiple not thought to be "irrational exuberance episodes" litter the 17 year landscape....."this is it...the schneid is over....13-3....12.-4...11.5....playoffs" etc...you know the rest....all wet dreams.....BUT....now hopefully have bonafide football people running/coaching an NFL franchise versus the fraudulent misfits during the 17 years know as "F Troop"...could we see a semblance of the Polian days??.....I'm thinkin' about the Allstate guy sayin', ..."you're in good hands...."......CERTAINLY we're growing and progressing daily, but tell me where I'm wrong about this regime having "IT"...I'll hang up and wait for responses.... Edited August 18, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 10:55 PM, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Exactly.....how many times have we gone off the rails over a couple of preseason games just to be crushed in the regular season? Granted, the roster appears to be better and deeper, but let's wait until the games are real. Then we can bring up 2008 and Trent Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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