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Heck of a draw to get Q Nelson. He is hands down an all pro guard with generational talent as well

 

It was pre season but you know Nelson isn't going easy

 

Good game to build on for Oliver... As I have been saying for a year about Oliver if there is one thing he needs to work on it's his hands with a counter move

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What to me stood out aside from his explosiveness is how he anchored himself on those double teams and didnt get wiped out of the play.  In fact he actually made a tackle after a double team with Q involved, held his ground and still made the tackle at around the line of scrimmage.

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18 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

That’s a very good sign of things to come for Oliver. Loved the splitting between the pulling olinemen. That show instincts, physicality and speed. The three things a great dlineman needs. 

 

 

He has a lot of upside.  If he develops good film and practice habits to add smarts to his ability he has the opportunity to be among the best ever at his craft.

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This guy in unlistenable. Holy hell. Guys like this is what drove me away from TV commentating. Can anyone who covers the NFL speak like a professional, use a player's actual name (how many times can you try to be cool and hip as a dorky suburban white guy and say Big Q?), stop screaming and yelling, avoid hyperbole, and have an actual informed conversation instead of a slang-ridden, hip-hop rap take? These idiots could take some lessons from anyone cover the English Premier League, who are technically superior to any of the jokers covering the NFL. 

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18 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

“Look at big Q finishing Ed Oliver” Oliver sheds the block and makes the tackle with star

 

That was an odd statement.  He stood his ground, shed the block and assisted on the tackle at the line of scrimmage.  In which then Q piled on top after the tackle.

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22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wait, now Nelson is a “generational talent”?

 

Remains to be seen, but prior to the draft he was talked about being one and as a rookie he earned 1st team AP All-Pro honors, so he's on the right track.  And that Oliver was going up against the best OG in the NFL was the takeaway.

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31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wait, now Nelson is a “generational talent”?

Nelson is going to be an all-pro for the next decade or so starting off with his rookie year.  He was a near top of the draft selection who is playing up to his billing. Right now he is arguably the best guard in the game. He is a generational talent and a likely HOF player. 

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1 minute ago, JohnC said:

Nelson is going to be an all-pro for the next decade or so starting off with his rookie year.  He was a near top of the draft selection who is playing up to his billing. Right now he is arguably the best guard in the game. He is a generational talent and a likely HOF player. 

 

How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history?

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1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

That’s a very good sign of things to come for Oliver. Loved the splitting between the pulling olinemen. That show instincts, physicality and speed. The three things a great dlineman needs. 

Add leverage, that one can help set him apart.

43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wait, now Nelson is a “generational talent”?

Morning Mr. Gloom. How is your friend Dr. Doom?

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4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history?

Almost every football analyst who covers the NFL has stated that right now he is the best guard in the game.. As a rookie he played at an all-pro level. I'm confident that he will be an all pro for the next decade or so. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history?

Sometimes I think you just argue to argue.

 

He was viewed as the best guard prospect coming into college in over a decade.  Became first team All-pro his rookie year.  For someone to take a guess that he will be a generational talent based off that is not a stretch and certainly not worth arguing about.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history?

 

It might help if you familiarize yourself with the term "generational talent."  Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "best ever."

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53 minutes ago, zonabb said:

This guy in unlistenable. Holy hell. Guys like this is what drove me away from TV commentating. Can anyone who covers the NFL speak like a professional, use a player's actual name (how many times can you try to be cool and hip as a dorky suburban white guy and say Big Q?), stop screaming and yelling, avoid hyperbole, and have an actual informed conversation instead of a slang-ridden, hip-hop rap take? These idiots could take some lessons from anyone cover the English Premier League, who are technically superior to any of the jokers covering the NFL. 

 

Speaking of avoiding hyperbole...

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

It might help if you familiarize yourself with the term "generational talent."  Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "best ever."

 

It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position.  Pretty simple definition of “generational”.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position.  Pretty simple definition of “generational”. 

 

How long do you think is a "generation"?

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5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position.  Pretty simple definition of “generational”.  

 

 

 

What about other generational talents that were better? 

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4 minutes ago, Magox said:

Sometimes I think you just argue to argue.

 

He was viewed as the best guard prospect coming into college in over a decade.  Became first team All-pro his rookie year.  For someone to take a guess that he will be a generational talent based off that is not a stretch and certainly not worth arguing about.

 

I think it’s common sense to conclude that one season doesn’t make one a generational player.  Draft pick? Sure.  What if he whiffs this year (relatively) this year? 

 

Is Suh a generational talent?  Another All Pro Rookie.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

How long do you think is a "generation"?

 

I think it’s what it is typically defined as...about 25 years

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8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position.  Pretty simple definition of “generational”.  

 

 

Peyton and Brady are generational talents. Both of them played in the same generation with Brady extending the time frame. As usual you are making a picayune point for the sake of supporting your quarrelsome position. 

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19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I think it’s what it is typically defined as...about 25 years

 

Pretty much.  So he's they type of talent comes along once in every 25 years.  Doesn't mean he is or will be the best ever.  But what he is right now is arguably the best OG in the game and Oliver was giving him all he could handle.

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4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Pretty much.  So he's they type of talent comes along once in every 25 years.  Doesn't mean he is or will be the best ever.  But what he is right now is arguably the best OG in the game and Oliver was giving him all he could handle.

 

He had a great rookie year and Oliver handled him for a few preseason snaps.  I’m on board with all that. 

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24 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Peyton and Brady are generational talents. Both of them played in the same generation with Brady extending the time frame. As usual you are making a picayune point for the sake of supporting your quarrelsome position. 

 

No I’m just helping you understand the term generational talent, which certainly allows for 2 at the same time...but not many others, you know, by definition.  

 

And at what point in his career did you label Brady a generational talent?  After how many SB wins? Lol

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47 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

How long do you think is a "generation"?

 

At worst you should be in the conversation for best ever if you are the best of a generation. Generation is thought of as about 15-20 years typically. Think, baby boomers, generation X, millenials, generation Z etc. 

 

Really in our more modern society it should be thought of as about 25-35 years with couples often waiting to their late 20's start families now.

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4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

At worst you should be in the conversation for best ever if you are the best of a generation. Generation is thought of as about 15-20 years typically. Think, baby boomers, generation X, millenials, generation Z etc. 

 

Really in our more modern society it should be thought of as about 25-35 years with couples often waiting to their late 20's start families now.

 

In the conversation sure, but not necessarily the best ever.  And I've always thought it was 20-30 years.

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

In the conversation sure, but not necessarily the best ever.  And I've always thought it was 20-30 years.

 

Yeah closer to 30 makes more sense in today's world. Most people are not having kids at 18-20 years old. But if you look at the commonly defined spreads of for Gen X,Y,Z etc. they are usually up to 20 years but not longer.

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