Gruden hearts Peterman

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

At the risk of using the joke too often, Davis and Gruden are only a half step ahead of Lenny and Squiggy.

 

This is the absolute best description of the situation of the Raiders regime EVER!!!!

 

13 hours ago, JohnC said:

McDermott and Gruden both disagreed with your judgment on this particular player that you loathe. I believe that there is a backup role for him in this league. Apparently some coaches in the profession also believe so. Let's wait and see how this plays out. 

 

So?  I would be impressed if Bill Belichick or Pete Carroll or Frank Reich or Doug Peterman or Sean McVay thought Peterman had enough upside to sign him even as just a camp arm but neither McDermott nor Gruden have demonstrated that he can identify a good QB when he sees one -- or figure out that a QB is a waste of a roster spot before sacrificing  multiple opportunities to win games because of his terrible play.

[SoCal Deek]

EJ Manuel looked exactly like Manuel after he left Buffalo 

 

Losman looked exactly like Losman after he left Buffalo 

 

Peterman will look exactly.....

[eball]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

 

Yeah I do. Don’t worry about it. You’re obviously not smart enough to understand things unless they’re explicit. 

 

Well, why don't you humor me and spell it out then?  Because to the uninformed reader it looks like you're just trying to belittle other Bills fans.

[teef]

8 hours ago, Chemical said:

Yeah Gruden looks bad saying this but how many of you were predicting playoffs before last season knowing Peterman was the starter?

 

There have only been 7 Bills games since Beane and McDermott allowed Nathan Peterman to start (again) for this team by the way.

no one?  all i remember is that people were saying this could be the worst team recent bills memory, and that we'd be lucky to win 4 games.  don't get me wrong...there's always someone that calls for the playoffs, but there wasn't exactly a playoff vibe this time last year.  

[Kirby Jackson]

43 minutes ago, JohnC said:

A determination can't be made until the story is finished. He's still in the league vying for a role on a team. I have no interest in proving myself right or wrong. What I have been saying is let this saga play out and the outcome will speak for itself. 

 

You don't need to hyperventilate on this particular player. There are plenty of other mediocre talents in this league to draw your scrutiny. Just let this particular object of your haranguing go! 

Everything I’ve said on the topic has been accurate.  The story has been written. I don’t know why you are so determined to let this thing continue to play out? I don’t care what “the coaches see” they are wrong.

 

While I feel a bit vindicated that time has proven me right I don’t take joy in the worst QB ever taking opening day reps for my favorite team. I’m beyond thrilled that the Bills gave up on that scrub even if it was well after they should have. They embarrassed him and us, as fans of the team. 

 

Again, if you want me to drop the subject all that you have to do is admit that I’m right about Peterman and have been the entire time. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Everything I’ve said on the topic has been accurate. The story has been written. I don’t know why you are so determined to let this thing continue to play out? I don’t care what “the coaches see” they are wrong.

 

While I feel a bit vindicated that time has proven me right I don’t take joy in the worst QB ever taking opening day reps for my favorite team. I’m beyond thrilled that the Bills gave up on that scrub even if it was well after they should have. They embarrassed him and us, as fans of the team. 

 

Again, if you want me to drop the subject all that you have to do is admit that I’m right about Peterman and have been the entire time. 

A fifth round drafted qb struggled when he rather got thrown into the fray. It's not surprising that he struggled. Because of his difficulties I'm not going to forever write him off. If you want to that is fine. While you have closed the book on him and written him off I have not done so, at least not in such an absolutist way. He's still in the league battling for a job as a backup qb. I'm going to allow him the opportunity to show whether he has the ability to earn a roster spot as a backup. If he doesn't make it then so be it.

 

I just don't understand your (and others) hostile fixation on him and chortling toward him. My position is let the process run its course. The outcome will be the outcome and speak for itself. The issue of being proven right or wrong is not the issue.   

[NoHuddleKelly12]

37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Everything I’ve said on the topic has been accurate.  The story has been written. I don’t know why you are so determined to let this thing continue to play out? I don’t care what “the coaches see” they are wrong.

 

While I feel a bit vindicated that time has proven me right I don’t take joy in the worst QB ever taking opening day reps for my favorite team. I’m beyond thrilled that the Bills gave up on that scrub even if it was well after they should have. They embarrassed him and us, as fans of the team. 

 

Again, if you want me to drop the subject all that you have to do is admit that I’m right about Peterman and have been the entire time. 

@Kirby Jackson, you say you already feel vindicated, so what's the point of 'forcing' other members here to tell you first that you are the smartest guy in the room about Peterman, including over the heads of coaches in the NFL, in order to stop with the constant drumbeat? @JohnC would simply like to let it ride until NP's retirement papers have been filed with the league office, such that there is still a chapter left to be written. What's so bad about that? In fact, if you're right, any additional appearances by NP on the field will only solidify your predictive bona fides, no? 

 

The point is, I've observed your many good/great contributions to this forum, and those should stand on their own merit, no need to jackhammer the past about NP in Buffalo, an additional 6 feet under the 6 it's already buried in, just because JohnC doesn't want to say "uncle." You're better than that.   

[PetermansRedemption]

8 hours ago, Chemical said:

Yeah Gruden looks bad saying this but how many of you were predicting playoffs before last season knowing Peterman was the starter?

 

There have only been 7 Bills games since Beane and McDermott allowed Nathan Peterman to start (again) for this team by the way.

 

Were there actually people predicting playoffs last year? It didn’t matter who was starting at QB, anyone with eyes could see that offensive line was going to struggle. 

[QuoteTheRaven83]

How ironic would it be if Carr got knocked out for the season and Brown got stuck with Peterman as his QB? 

[PetermansRedemption]

1 minute ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

How ironic would it be if Carr got knocked out for the season and Brown got stuck with Peterman as his QB? 

This has been my dream NFL world scenario for the Raiders

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Bills Survivor said:

Love the Heart of Darkness reference lmao

Speak for yourself!  Most of us ‘Great Unwashed’ took it as the JPeterman quote from the Seinfeld episode ‘The Chicken Roaster’!  ?

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

@Kirby Jackson, you say you already feel vindicated, so what's the point of 'forcing' other members here to tell you first that you are the smartest guy in the room about Peterman, including over the heads of coaches in the NFL, in order to stop with the constant drumbeat? @JohnC would simply like to let it ride until NP's retirement papers have been filed with the league office, such that there is still a chapter left to be written. What's so bad about that? In fact, if you're right, any additional appearances by NP on the field will only solidify your predictive bona fides, no? 

 

The point is, I've observed your many good/great contributions to this forum, and those should stand on their own merit, no need to jackhammer the past about NP in Buffalo, an additional 6 feet under the 6 it's already buried in, just because JohnC doesn't want to say "uncle." You're better than that.   

John and I always have a fun back-and-forth. He’s one of my favorite posters here and a fellow Canisius guy. There are no hard feelings on this end.

 

I lost $50 to someone on here when NP started week 1 on here last year. It hasn’t left a bad taste in my mouth. The guy couldn’t make it through halftime!! 

 

Look, I really don’t care what happens to Peterman but I take great exception to those that cheer for him to get another chance. It drives me nuts because no one ever had such strong feelings about other scrubs. There wasn’t a candlelight vigil for Levi Brown when he inevitably faded out.

 

(GOT Spoiler) I guess that I like to look at myself as  Khaleesi in the final episode. It isn’t enough to overthrow Peterman and his supporters. There is a need to destroy everyone that believe he was an option  and burn Peterman’s Landing to the ground.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[416BillsFan]

16 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Does Peterman cry as easily as Carr? 

Probably not, his specialty his causing fans to cry.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

John and I always have a fun back-and-forth. He’s one of my favorite posters here and a fellow Canisius guy. There are no hard feelings on this end.

 

I lost $50 to someone on here when NP started week 1 on here last year. It hasn’t left a bad taste in my mouth. The guy couldn’t make it through halftime!! 

 

Look, I really don’t care what happens to Peterman but I take great exception to those that cheer for him to get another chance. It drives me nuts because no one ever had such strong feelings about other scrubs. There wasn’t a candlelight vigil for Levi Brown when he inevitably faded out.

 

(GOT Spoiler) I guess that I like to look at myself as  Khaleesi in the final episode. It isn’t enough to overthrow Peterman. There is a need to destroy everyone that believe he was an option

Fair enough--and thanks for clarifying! 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

20 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Feel good love story

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

A fifth round drafted qb struggled when he rather got thrown into the fray. It's not surprising that he struggled. Because of his difficulties I'm not going to forever write him off. If you want to that is fine. While you have closed the book on him and written him off I have not done so, at least not in such an absolutist way. He's still in the league battling for a job as a backup qb. I'm going to allow him the opportunity to show whether he has the ability to earn a roster spot as a backup. If he doesn't make it then so be it.

 

I just don't understand your (and others) hostile fixation on him and chortling toward him. My position is let the process run its course. The outcome will be the outcome and speak for itself. The issue of being proven right or wrong is not the issue.   

Struggled would be Jeff Tuel who,, by the way, threw for over 200 yards in his one and only start. Peterman would have had a higher passer rating if the chargers were the offensive players. He was beyond horrible. It was a joke that he got another chance. If Allen hadnt played so poorly against the Bengals in the preseason last year he would have been the opening day stater 

 

There is no hostile fixation on Peterman. Good for him if he keeps getting work. But he does not deserve the opportunity. He got 4 starts and he has a 1:4 TD to INT ratio and averages 4.2 yards per attempt. That is horrendously bad. Why should he get a shot? 

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Peterman is a special kind of schitty. He's physically incapable because of his rag arm AND he panics AND he plays a position where if you make the big mistake it is not a loss of yardage it's a loss of seven points going the other way.

[Warcodered]

 

He was an opening day starter for the Bills that's true. He also was uninjured and not starting in week 2 which you know might be important.

[HamSandwhich]

21 hours ago, blacklabel said:

He'll see.... they'll all see!! The horror...the horror....

The first 5 Yd out, they’ll see! 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

John and I always have a fun back-and-forth. He’s one of my favorite posters here and a fellow Canisius guy. There are no hard feelings on this end.

 

I lost $50 to someone on here when NP started week 1 on here last year. It hasn’t left a bad taste in my mouth. The guy couldn’t make it through halftime!! 

 

Look, I really don’t care what happens to Peterman but I take great exception to those that cheer for him to get another chance. It drives me nuts because no one ever had such strong feelings about other scrubs. There wasn’t a candlelight vigil for Levi Brown when he inevitably faded out.

 

(GOT Spoiler) I guess that I like to look at myself as  Khaleesi in the final episode. It isn’t enough to overthrow Peterman and his supporters. There is a need to destroy everyone that believe he was an option  and burn Peterman’s Landing to the ground.

I have never considered our sparring in a hostile way. It's the opposite of that. Although the Orleans gumbo might have turned you into a hardhead that doesn't mean that I should stop trying to penetrate that impermeable wall. From my perspective the Peterman issue will play out and resolve itself, so I am not troubled by it. It seems that Gruden is more enamored with him than most. So the vilified qb should have no complaints about being afforded an extended opportunity.  

 

side note: If you go to the Gogriffs.com basketball website you will notice that Witherspoon is relying more on JUCO and graduate transfers to make up for the players who are prematurely leaving. When you have a tool box it would be foolish not to use all the tools at your disposal. 

[JPP]

Hey Good for him i suppose.....possibly the worst QB to have ever walked on an NFL field gets chance after chance after chance......Invest that money now young one!!

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, eball said:

 

Well, why don't you humor me and spell it out then?  Because to the uninformed reader it looks like you're just trying to belittle other Bills fans.

 

You mean acting like a troll?  Not surprising.

[major]

This thread is becoming an all time classic! Thanks y’all for the laughs

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

 

So 3/12 were you a Marsha guy, or Ginger.  I was Marsha.

Mrs Howell

 I chase the money.
 

But for hot?

 Jeannie, I still dream of her  lol.
Mary Anne if it was between the two of them. Cute

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

10 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

 

Were there actually people predicting playoffs last year? It didn’t matter who was starting at QB, anyone with eyes could see that offensive line was going to struggle. 

 

Yes. More than just a handful in the preseason predictions thread. 

[ColoradoBills]

On 7/30/2019 at 12:49 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Chuckie should look at the tape first.

[WideNine]

As soon as Chucky sent that out, every opposing defensive back in the league checked their team's schedule to see when they play the Raiders - hoping he gets the nod to start and that it is early enough in the season that they get a shot at going up against him before Gruden gets back on his meds and is forced to hand him a clip board for the rest of the season.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 hours ago, eball said:

 

Well, why don't you humor me and spell it out then?  Because to the uninformed reader it looks like you're just trying to belittle other Bills fans.

 

No not JUST Bills fans, also the Bills coach and GM who allowed Peterman to start the season, and then when he once again couldn’t get through halftime, kept him as the only backup option for SIX WEEKS.

 

Then when the inevitable happened and he was forced into a game and threw a pick six and another int to lose a very winnable game, still didn’t cut him and in fact started him once again 3 weeks later where he put up 3 more int and 6 points. 

 

So maybe I think it’s pathetic that we have 8 pages ragging on Gruden. because while it sounds dumb to say “Nathan Peterman is growing on me”, it’s a lot dumber to do what this Buffalo Bills did very very recently. 

 

Y’all act like this is ancient history, but they started NP 7 games ago!

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

You mean acting like a troll?  Not surprising.

 

So original. Why don’t you quote me next time and maybe address what I said? 

 

[eball]

@Chemical thanks for confirming you’re a troll. You know, if you don’t like the topic in a thread you can completely avoid it! Crazy how that works.

 

I can’t think of a single Bills fan who understands or supports McD’s odd attachment to Peterman. That doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at and belittle Gruden for apparently making the same mistake. 

[Rocket94]

Peterson can fool a lot of people. With pads on, he actually looks like a quarterback!

[machine gun kelly]

11 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Mrs Howell

 I chase the money.
 

But for hot?

 Jeannie, I still dream of her  lol.
Mary Anne if it was between the two of them. Cute

 

I had such a crush on Jeannie watching the reruns of that show.  I’m not old enough as to when they first aired.  That and my Farrah Fawcett poster like every boy in the late 70’s.  You remember, the famous one of her in that orange one piece bathing suit.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

7 hours ago, eball said:

@Chemical thanks for confirming you’re a troll. You know, if you don’t like the topic in a thread you can completely avoid it! Crazy how that works.

 

I can’t think of a single Bills fan who understands or supports McD’s odd attachment to Peterman. That doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at and belittle Gruden for apparently making the same mistake. 

 

That’s my whole point!

 

Less than a year ago many thought he would lead us to the playoffs or at least a .500+ record. I would bet you were probably one of them given how sensitive you are to any criticism of the Buffalo Bills. 

 

You’re welcome to laugh at Gruden but it only makes you a hypocrite if you had any hope when he was named opening day starter last year. 

[eball]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

 

That’s my whole point!

 

Less than a year ago many thought he would lead us to the playoffs or at least a .500+ record. I would bet you were probably one of them given how sensitive you are to any criticism of the Buffalo Bills. 

 

You’re welcome to laugh at Gruden but it only makes you a hypocrite if you had any hope when he was named opening day starter last year. 

 

"Many?"  How about "a stubborn few."  I certainly wasn't one of them.  Regardless, your "point" in this thread (calling Bills fans hypocrites) is dubious at best.  Don't you have something better to do?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

"Many?"  How about "a stubborn few."  I certainly wasn't one of them.  Regardless, your "point" in this thread (calling Bills fans hypocrites) is dubious at best.  Don't you have something better to do?

 

Why do you always want to talk about me and not the fact that we have a coach and GM who drafted and then started the worst QB of all-time multiple times?

 

Doesn’t that give you any pause about their decision making process’? Because a lot of ppl in this thread seem to think it says a lot about Gruden’s. 

[eball]

6 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Why do you always want to talk about me and not the fact that we have a coach and GM who drafted and then started the worst QB of all-time multiple times?

 

Doesn’t that give you any pause about their decision making process’? Because a lot of ppl in this thread seem to think it says a lot about Gruden’s. 

 

Dude.  McD said the same things about Peterman that Gruden is.  Peterman obviously is a great guy who does very well in non-pressure practice situations.  He has some quality about him that makes these coaches think he will be able to translate it to games, but when the "real" bullets fly he becomes one of the worst to ever play the position.

 

That's not a flaw in McD's "process" -- it's a mistaken evaluation.  It's over.  But it's hilarious that a new coach (Gruden) is falling into the same trap.

 

Edited August 1, 2019 by eball

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Dude.  McD said the same things about Peterman that Gruden is.  Peterman obviously is a great guy who does very well in non-pressure practice situations.  He has some quality about him that makes these coaches think he will be able to translate it to games, but when the "real" bullets fly he becomes one of the worst to ever play the position.

 

That's not a flaw in McD's "process" -- it's a mistaken evaluation.  It's over.  But it's hilarious that a new coach (Gruden) is falling into the same trap.

 

 

Im only suggesting this might not be true. What quality is that? Don’t you think McD might fall for that same quality in other players that are just simply not talented enough to play in this league at a competent let alone high level?

 

And yeah it is hilarious about Gruden, but let’s have some context as we just started the guy less than half a season ago. As Bills fans maybe we should let the rest of the league laugh at Gruden AND us in regard to Peterman. 

 

[eball]

5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Im only suggesting this might not be true. What quality is that? Don’t you think McD might fall for that same quality in other players that are just simply not talented enough to play in this league at a competent let alone high level?

 

And yeah it is hilarious about Gruden, but let’s have some context as we just started the guy less than half a season ago. As Bills fans maybe we should let the rest of the league laugh at Gruden AND us in regard to Peterman. 

 

 

This is an insane "point" you are trying to prove.  The Bills and their fans have already been subject to laughter and critique for Peterman's antics.  What additional punishment are you seeking to impose upon us?  Why this crusade?  So they didn't cut Peterman until midway through last season...so what?  They cut him and it's over.

 

I simply do not understand supposed Bills fans who want to see other Bills fans muted or beaten down.  You have some ridiculous notion that we are supposed to continue to suffer for the Peterman debacle?  Why does that make any sense at all?

 

And as to your "worry" that the Peterman debacle implies McD doesn't know how to evaluate talent, that's absurd as well.  The QB position is unique.  Peterman was one of those guys who did absolutely everything right except perform in games.  And it doesn't matter any more.  He's gone.

 

So again -- what is your point?  That people should be sitting around "worrying" about whether McD can evaluate talent?  Go for it, buddy.  I've got better things to do like get ready for what appears will be a fun season.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

That’s my whole point!

 

Less than a year ago many thought he would lead us to the playoffs or at least a .500+ record. I would bet you were probably one of them given how sensitive you are to any criticism of the Buffalo Bills. 

 

You’re welcome to laugh at Gruden but it only makes you a hypocrite if you had any hope when he was named opening day starter last year. 

I don't know anyone who believed that Peterman was going to lead the team to the playoffs and/or a .500 + record. That is a fabrication. If there were people who had that delusional belief they were fringe believers far away from the mainstream thinking on the qb. The overwhelming consensus was that none of our qbs were genuine franchise qbs. You are entitled to your opinion. However, making up stuff does not enhance one's credibility; it sabotages it. 

[LB3]

16 hours ago, major said:

This thread is becoming an all time classic! Thanks y’all for the laughs

It needs at least another 42 pages before it even sniffs classic status. The Da'Rick Rogers vs Chris Hogan thread reached over 100 pages if I recall correctly. 

 

That reminds me. Hey @Kirby Jackson, you still owe me 36 tacos from Taco Bell for Hogan's 18 regular season TD's you deadbeat! And they better be soft tacos (and supremes cus I like the tomatoes)!