SI Predicts 2019 Records

[Devilmann]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Why?  What did giving Jauron and Gailey extra time give us?  Honestly, if it wasn’t for a fluke playoff berth (which we as fans deserved), there has been a bunch of bad football their first 2 years.

 

i swear a regime has never been given as much of a pass as them.  People love to hate on Whaley but his rosters after 3 years was stronger than this current roster after 3 years, minus Josh Allen turning into a franchise qb.  Our offense has been brutal and for some reasons, fans just ignore it because McBeane are nice guys. 

Yeah,  I don’t get why fans get mad about this.  Would we have picked the Browns to be good the last 15 years?   The Bills have been the feisty team that doesn’t have a ton of talent, crappy qbs that scrap their way to 6-9 wins.  

I’m not giving them a pass. Me personally I’ve like who they have drafted and I can see what they are trying to build. I’m sick of trading coaches every 2 years and the players are having to learn a new system every year  it’s not good for the players or us as a fan base. Are they perfect? No no one is. I’m sick of constantly having backup quarterbacks like Tyrod and Fitz and the rest of the clowns we’ve had here for the past 20 years. This regime made it happen for us to have a really good qb prospect and they will live or die by how he works out but at least give it three years. If we still suck fine fire them oh well but give it a fair chance. 

[4merper4mer]

12 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Well the OP posted an SI article that predicts 6-10. If that's what actually happens they should be fired. 

Why do they deserve that? 

They should also be fired if they have surreptitiously used their jobs as cover for their actual identities as a team of serial killers.  

 

Let me ask, if the Bills were to go 6-10 but do so after all 53 guys are injured and out for the year after the first preseason game will your opinion stay the same?

 

I know mine will not change.  If they are a team of serial killers they should be fired regardless of any excuse they have.

Edited July 18, 2019 by 4merper4mer

[BuffaloBaumer]

Beane is the ONE person i have the most confidence in on both Bills and Sabres organizations. How could anybody even consider getting rid of him? 

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, H2o said:

We just had the best two offseasons we have put back to back in about 15 years. We have the most talented roster we've had in about 15 years. They won't be 6-10 unless we have injuries at key positions. The talk of firing everyone off of a hypothetical SI article is laughable. 

 

This is simply untrue since Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, and the other Beane draft picks haven't proven how good they actually are.  This roster isn't even as talented as the one that McDermott inherited in 2017 and immediately started dismantling.   Most of the supposed veteran talent on this team is mediocre, and the young talent is largely unproven.  Only White and perhaps Milano have shown themselves above average NFL players. 

 

11 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

Yes, he absolutely has. What’s a better offseason that you can remember in the last 15 years than the two Beane has orchestrated? Prior regimes did not give a bunch of draft picks to go and get their guy, they waited and panicked (Losman) or they reached massively (Manuel). Going up and getting their guy would have been giving up whatever it took to get Rothlisberger rather than panicking and getting Losman. By all reports that’s what happened to Arizona last year as well, how did Rosen work out in their minds? 

 

The free agent signings, that’s the nature of the free agent game, you overpay for mediocre talent. Beane identified holes and moved to fill them. What past GM’s have done that? I remember being able to sleep through free agency because you knew the Bills were getting bargain bin trash. In addition to that, most of these contracts are crafted so that the Bills can exit relatively painlessly. How was the Dareus contract structured? Don’t we wish Beane was at the helm during that time. 

 

In general, the proof is often in the pudding. For my money, Beane has done his job. He has filled holes as best he can and as economically as available. He has drafted well and is not afraid to go up and grab someone he wants. Give me Beane over A LOT of the GM’s in the league right now (Gettlemen running the Giants anyone?). In addition, even if Allen busts and doesn’t improve any further, he is still the most fun QB we have had the pleasure of watching in a long, long time. 

How come you conveniently chose "the last fifteen years"?  Oh, yeah, because in the 2004 draft Tom Donahoe traded Dallas the Bills' 2005 first round pick for the Cowboys' first rounder to take JP Losman.   That doesn't fit your story line, of course, because Losman busted, and you don't wish to raise that idea in your defense of this regime.

 

As for FA signings, maybe if McDermott and Beane hadn't chosen to strip away so much talent, they wouldn't have been forced to overpay for mediocrity and could have spent their money on better FAs.

 

If "the proof is in the pudding", what has Beane proven exactly?  That he can gamble a lot of draft capital on relatively few prospects with big question marks?

 

 

10 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

He spent less for Allen than we spent for Watkins IMO

 

 

If Allen has a HOF type career, then Beane got him cheap.  Anything less, and he paid way too much --- including Watkins.

 

9 hours ago, BubbaT said:

Yep the Bills have only existed for the past 19 years. No history at all prior to that. No experiences somewhat similar to how it looks going in to camp. You told me you grizzled vet you.

 

The Bills last won a playoff game in 1995, twenty five years ago. Since then the Bills have had 5 winning seasons and 3 playoff appearances.  Between 1970 and 1994, twenty five seasons, the Bills had 10 winning seasons, 6 of them between 1988 and 1993 under Polian and Levy.

 

[Tatonka68]

2018 Bills went with 6-10 with no offensive line, bad WR's, a rookie QB. Bills add offensive line talent, add WR's, Allen now has experience with an easier schedule and SI predicts the exact same record ???

 

If Allen is a litle better than the Bills should be 8-8.

If Allen makes a bigger jump the Bills should be 10-6.

If Allen surprises and is what we want him to be the Bills should be 12-4 EAST Divisional Champs.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Tatonka68

[klos63]

14 hours ago, H2o said:

We just had the best two offseasons we have put back to back in about 15 years. We have the most talented roster we've had in about 15 years. They won't be 6-10 unless we have injuries at key positions. The talk of firing everyone off of a hypothetical SI article is laughable. 

Our offensive line is unproven. Beane only saw fit to make a long term commitment to 1 player. All the rest could easily be gone next season.  If he hit on all of them , we'll be a strong team. If not, likely more of the same.

[PetermansRedemption]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

This is simply untrue since Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, and the other Beane draft picks haven't proven how good they actually are.  This roster isn't even as talented as the one that McDermott inherited in 2017 and immediately started dismantling.   Most of the supposed veteran talent on this team is mediocre, and the young talent is largely unproven.  Only White and perhaps Milano have shown themselves above average NFL players. 

 

How come you conveniently chose "the last fifteen years"?  Oh, yeah, because in the 2004 draft Tom Donahoe traded Dallas the Bills' 2005 first round pick for the Cowboys' first rounder to take JP Losman.   That doesn't fit your story line, of course, because Losman busted, and you don't wish to raise that idea in your defense of this regime.

 

Reading comprehension I.E the very next sentence after the one you bolded. Also, I consider 2004 to be within the past 15 years ? ?

Edited July 18, 2019 by Bills2ref

[GreggTX]

If we go 6-10, we drafted the wrong QB. I think a lot of people feel like we'll win 10 or more games because we signed so many FA's, but nearly all the FA's we signed were not even starters or starter quality. Only a couple of them were even above average (Beasley, Morse). We're a very average team talent-wise. It really does come down to Josh Allen. Is he going to take us to the next level or just be the next Bills bust at QB in a long line of busts at QB.

Edited July 18, 2019 by GreggTX

[PromoTheRobot]

19 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

Plenty to disagree with here. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/17/nfl-schedule-2019-team-record-predictions

 

He has the Bills going 6-10 but had one scenario where they win 10 games.  Sounds like the first round did not align to his world view/bias so he had to find games to change.  In grand scheme, means nothing but a time killer while waiting for camp to open.

 

So the completely revamped roster with more talent at O-line and WR, the same top line D with a stud rookie, plus the consistency of the same Bills regime in year three, playing an easier schedule, will be no better than the bums we cobbled together last year under a rookie QB who wasn't supposed to start?  Hmmmm...make sense to me.

Edited July 18, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[SoTier]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So the completely revamped roster with more talent at O-line and WR, the same top line D with a stud rookie, plus the consistency of the same Bills regime in year three, playing an easier schedule, will be no better than the bums we cobbled together last year under a rookie QB who wasn't supposed to start?  Hmmmm...make sense to me.

 

The "more talent at O-line and WR" should make those units at least NFL-caliber in 2019.  That doesn't mean they'll be good or even average, just that they won't be nearly as poor as they were last season because for the most part, the Bills didn't sign top caliber OLers or WRs.   Moreover, there's no guarantee that Allen improves enough to make him a competent QB.  Trent Edwards was a well spoken, respectful hard working bust.  So was Nathan Peterman (which is really hard for a fifth rounder, but the Bills tried to make him into something he couldn't be and he failed, ergo, a bust).

 

Also, don't forget that the Bills opponents also added talent to their rosters, some significantly.

[C.Biscuit97]

Whaley’s roster after 3 years:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2015_roster.htm

 

McBeane after 3 years:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2018_roster.htm

 

which team wins head to head?  

[jethro_tull]

of little value...

[Never NEVER Give-up]

20 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

Plenty to disagree with here. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/17/nfl-schedule-2019-team-record-predictions

 

He has the Bills going 6-10 but had one scenario where they win 10 games.  Sounds like the first round did not align to his world view/bias so he had to find games to change.  In grand scheme, means nothing but a time killer while waiting for camp to open.

 

LOL, yeah, then he says that the winnable games were at the beginning of the season against the Jets-Giants-Bengals and Skins . . . so are we to believe those are the 4 "wins" he converted to "Losses" so our record would go from 10-6 to 6-10?  That means we start 0-3 and face the Pats in wk 4 (we face Skins around wk 8).

[PromoTheRobot]

52 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The "more talent at O-line and WR" should make those units at least NFL-caliber in 2019.  That doesn't mean they'll be good or even average, just that they won't be nearly as poor as they were last season because for the most part, the Bills didn't sign top caliber OLers or WRs.   Moreover, there's no guarantee that Allen improves enough to make him a competent QB.  Trent Edwards was a well spoken, respectful hard working bust.  So was Nathan Peterman (which is really hard for a fifth rounder, but the Bills tried to make him into something he couldn't be and he failed, ergo, a bust).

 

Also, don't forget that the Bills opponents also added talent to their rosters, some significantly.

 

Okay, Eeyore.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I want to believe - but man... 15 wins in 2 years, 3 against teams with winning records and 2 against playoff teams.  You gotta win those games to get in, so it remains to be seen whether we can.  And a lot of the losses have been absolute beat-downs.  A lot of it is talent, so hopefully we bridged that gap.  

 

At the end of the day it comes down to offense. By yardage measure we have had a bottom 5 offense, a bottom 3 passing offense, and last season we even had a bottom 3 offense from a giveaway perspective (peterman!!!!).  

 

If we can go from 4700 yards to something resembling 5700 (around league average), thats about 60 yards per game.  Beasley helps move the chains - more plays=more yards.  Brown adding another home run threat should help.  Fixing the line should buy allen time, and open up lanes for the backs.  They need to add 1000+ yards this season for it to make a big difference. 

 

Getting the PPG closer to league average of around 23 would be good too.  We had a terrible offense from an efficiency standpoint.  Need more 1st downs, need better execution expecially on short distances and in red zone.  Singletery and gore should help there, in addition to the new guys on the oline.  

 

If we can approach 6000 yards of offense, and around 23+ points per game on offense... with this defense... we should be a playoff team.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

48 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

 

LOL, yeah, then he says that the winnable games were at the beginning of the season against the Jets-Giants-Bengals and Skins . . . so are we to believe those are the 4 "wins" he converted to "Losses" so our record would go from 10-6 to 6-10?  That means we start 0-3 and face the Pats in wk 4 (we face Skins around wk 8).

 

Theres a tough stretch of Cowboys, Ravens, Steelers.   Adding in the Browns (who people are high on), the Eagles (who are usually good), 2 against NE, and 2 against NYJ - its a tough schedule.

 

You have to win a few of these games.  Dallas is a thanksgiving game so that is just... a tough one to predict.  Ravens absolutely beat us up the last 2 times we played so hopefully players bring it in that one as its at home.  Pittsburghs roster just doesn't scare me at all, i think they look like a .500 team.  

To make the playoffs you need to win all of these

MIA x2

NYJ x1

NYG

Cinn

Tenn

Wash

Den

Pitt

 

and at least 1 of NE x2, Cle, Phi, Dal, Balt, NYJ -- 2 to make sure. 

 

But the chargers and chiefs look legit - so they'll probably both be in.  You have Houston who's usually good, and Indy looked really solid last year - add in Tenn and Jax too.  NE is pretty much a lock.  Ravens, steelers, browns probably only looking at 1 spot there too.  10-6 isn't a shoo-in so you probably want 11 wins.  

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

20 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

People love to hate on Whaley but his rosters after 3 years was stronger than this current roster after 3 years

 

Look everyone, it's Biscuit's #1 fallacy.

 

Those rosters were SO strong, what was their best record?

 

 

[Happy]

11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Look everyone, it's Biscuit's #1 fallacy.

 

Those rosters were SO strong, what was their best record?

 

 

 

Joe, in all fairness, look who the coaches were.  Whaley, was definitely hamstrung here.  Anyway, water under the bridge and I'm rooting for Beane and McD to succeed because I want the Bills to win a SB in my lifetime.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Joe, in all fairness, look who the coaches were.  Whaley, was definitely hamstrung here.  Anyway, water under the bridge and I'm rooting for Beane and McD to succeed because I want the Bills to win a SB in my lifetime.

 

He makes the mistake of thinking that overpaid players are good players.

 

I argue the talent on this team IS superior, and so is the team's flexibility and financial position.

 

Whaley was like a boat without a rudder. Adrift and aimless.

 

[Happy]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He makes the mistake of thinking that overpaid players are good players.

 

I argue the talent on this team IS superior, and so is the team's flexibility and financial position.

 

Whaley was like a boat without a rudder. Adrift and aimless.

 

 

I saw the post above.  On paper, I agree that this 2019 team is better, but they have not played a game so there is still a lot to determine.

Without a doubt the financial position is much better right now.  It is believed that Jim Overdorf handled the contracts, not Whaley.

Whaley appeared to be adrift and aimless because the Bills definition of a GM was adrift and aimless.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Joe, in all fairness, look who the coaches were.  Whaley, was definitely hamstrung here.  Anyway, water under the bridge and I'm rooting for Beane and McD to succeed because I want the Bills to win a SB in my lifetime.

 

QB purgatory... He was willing to make a big move to move up for Watkins.  But he never made a move to acquire a QB.  

 

Alex Smith was available that 2013 offseason - KC nabbed him for a 2nd... we traded down in the 1st and spent our 1st rounder on EJ Manuel...

[SoTier]

39 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I saw the post above.  On paper, I agree that this 2019 team is better, but they have not played a game so there is still a lot to determine.

Without a doubt the financial position is much better right now.  It is believed that Jim Overdorf handled the contracts, not Whaley.

Whaley appeared to be adrift and aimless because the Bills definition of a GM was adrift and aimless.  

 

The Bills' definition of a GM was to do the bidding of the bean counters in the Bills organization dedicated to putting profits before wins.  That has blatantly been the way it's been with the Bills at least since Russ Brandon took over the team, but it was always the way Ralph Wilson ran the team, too.  With Brandon gone, maybe that changes under Pegula and Beane but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I really don't give a damn about the Bills'  supposed "financial position" because It's not actually about the team's balance sheet but about the team's cap situation.  Dead cap money is simply on paper, and the Bills were more than happy to trade big cap $$ for not having to pay big actual $$ since Beane became GM. Scrubs and rookies cost a whole lot less than proven veterans, and the Bills had  one of the lowest, if not the lowest, actual player salary totals in the NFL in 2018 -- and they played like it.  Beane has filled the 2019 roster with unproven youngsters on rookie contracts, a small handful of pricey vets, and the rest JAGs.  It doesn't seem like a formula for building a perennial playoff contender much less a legitimate Super Bowl team unless lightning strikes and all those younger players on rookie contracts suddenly blossom into top notch players.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The Bills' definition of a GM was to do the bidding of the bean counters in the Bills organization dedicated to putting profits before wins.  That has blatantly been the way it's been with the Bills at least since Russ Brandon took over the team, but it was always the way Ralph Wilson ran the team, too.  With Brandon gone, maybe that changes under Pegula and Beane but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I really don't give a damn about the Bills'  supposed "financial position" because It's not actually about the team's balance sheet but about the team's cap situation.  Dead cap money is simply on paper, and the Bills were more than happy to trade big cap $$ for not having to pay big actual $$ since Beane became GM. Scrubs and rookies cost a whole lot less than proven veterans, and the Bills had  one of the lowest, if not the lowest, actual player salary totals in the NFL in 2018 -- and they played like it.  Beane has filled the 2019 roster with unproven youngsters on rookie contracts, a small handful of pricey vets, and the rest JAGs.  It doesn't seem like a formula for building a perennial playoff contender much less a legitimate Super Bowl team unless lightning strikes and all those younger players on rookie contracts suddenly blossom into top notch players.  

 

I think moving those deals had more about flexibility moving forward.  We weren't a playoff team with those players on the roster - moving them gives the team the ability to re-sign players without having to gut your team.  

 

The core was not successful, so why continue to try and use it.  Blow it up and start over.  

[Rico]

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Look everyone, it's Biscuit's #1 fallacy.

 

Those rosters were SO strong, what was their best record?

 

 

They were strongly loaded with losers and chumps.

[BADOLBILZ]

On 7/17/2019 at 5:45 PM, Devilmann said:

Let their contracts play out I think McBeane deserves that. What’s one year after dealing with all the other garbage gm and coaches that have been here. 

 

 

Last season was garbage.     

[BADOLBILZ]

On 7/17/2019 at 5:38 PM, ScottLaw said:

If the Bills go 6-10 McBeane should be goners. 

 

I managed to tune in to WGR today just as Bills employee Sal Cappaccio was saying he expected the team to be not just "in the hunt" in November but also possibly in control of their own destiny in week 15 or 16.

 

So even those professionally inclined to be reserved with their predictions think this team should win with the free reign McBeane have had over this organization.

 

6-10 *could* get them fired if it happens in a certain way that reflects very poorly on them.    But there is so much room for improvement after having a -100+ point differential ...........there should be a ton of areas that the team improves in that McBeane could point to in their defense...........even if they go 6-10.........because they played more like a 4-5 win team last year.    

[Devilmann]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Last season was garbage.     

EVERYONE knew and expected garbage so get out of here with that garbage 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

They were strongly loaded with losers and chumps.

Nailed again!  What has Darby and Bradham ever won?  Oh wait.  What good teams has Sammy ever played on?  Oh.  What about that loser Hogan?  Oh no.  And don’t get started on that chump Robert Woods?  

 

Clearly those guys were holding the Bills back!!!

[mannc]

53 minutes ago, Devilmann said:

EVERYONE knew and expected garbage so get out of here with that garbage 

Yeah, sure...just like EVERYONE knew it would take McDermott at least four years to turn around a team that was .500 under Rex Ryan...

[LSHMEAB]

On 7/17/2019 at 4:44 PM, SoTier said:

 

Has he?   He spent a fortune in draft picks and talent to get Allen, and if the Bills go 6-10, without serious injuries to key players then it's probably because Allen hasn't grown into a franchise QB as hoped for -- and isn't likely to develop into more than a modest mid/low level starting QB.  The Bills have had several of those over the last 2 decades.   He's also spent more draft capital trading up in both his drafts, so unless those picks prove out this season, then he didn't get much for the extra investment.

 

Except for Morse, none of his FA or trade acquisitions have been impressive.  Some, like Benjamin, have been terrible.  He over paid for mediocre talent like Lotulelei, and we're still waiting to see if Murphy can regain his pre-injury form.

That's exactly where I'm at. His FA acquisitions have not been good. Period. I get it. They chose to rebuild. But I expect to see serious progress this season. He's made a clear and distinct footprint on this team, so it's his now. If the FA acquisitions pan out and Allen/Edmunds progress, there's reason for optimism. If not, I'll probably lose faith in the process. But that's just me. I need to see it THIS season.

12 minutes ago, mannc said:

Yeah, sure...just like EVERYONE knew it would take McDermott at least four years to turn around a team that was .500 under Rex Ryan...

Revisionism is a "heck" of a drug. Results in 2019 should be EXPECTED. 

[Rico]

14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Nailed again!  What has Darby and Bradham ever won?  Oh wait.  What good teams has Sammy ever played on?  Oh.  What about that loser Hogan?  Oh no.  And don’t get started on that chump Robert Woods?  

 

Clearly those guys were holding the Bills back!!!

Fun fact: Did you know EJ had better stats his rookie year than Josh Allen?

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Rico said:

Fun fact: Did you know EJ had better stats his rookie year than Josh Allen?

?

[Doc]

Didn't SI have the Bills picking 7th overall?  I guess they had to justify that idiocy with more.

[formerlyofCtown]

15 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

This is simply untrue since Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, and the other Beane draft picks haven't proven how good they actually are.  This roster isn't even as talented as the one that McDermott inherited in 2017 and immediately started dismantling.   Most of the supposed veteran talent on this team is mediocre, and the young talent is largely unproven.  Only White and perhaps Milano have shown themselves above average NFL players. 

 

How come you conveniently chose "the last fifteen years"?  Oh, yeah, because in the 2004 draft Tom Donahoe traded Dallas the Bills' 2005 first round pick for the Cowboys' first rounder to take JP Losman.   That doesn't fit your story line, of course, because Losman busted, and you don't wish to raise that idea in your defense of this regime.

 

As for FA signings, maybe if McDermott and Beane hadn't chosen to strip away so much talent, they wouldn't have been forced to overpay for mediocrity and could have spent their money on better FAs.

 

If "the proof is in the pudding", what has Beane proven exactly?  That he can gamble a lot of draft capital on relatively few prospects with big question marks?

 

 

 

If Allen has a HOF type career, then Beane got him cheap.  Anything less, and he paid way too much --- including Watkins.

 

 

The Bills last won a playoff game in 1995, twenty five years ago. Since then the Bills have had 5 winning seasons and 3 playoff appearances.  Between 1970 and 1994, twenty five seasons, the Bills had 10 winning seasons, 6 of them between 1988 and 1993 under Polian and Levy.

 

Dude.  With Watkins he basically got something for nothing.  Watkins was not going to be a Bill after that season.  Have you seen what was given for RG3, I believe Goff was pretty pricey.  I dont get people like you, you B**** about not having a QB.  You B**** about not going after a QB and you B**** when they do.  You do realize they didnt give up a first for Allen right.  They swapped first and gave up some seconds.  If he becomes a HOFer then a good value trade becomes the steal of the century.

Edited July 19, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[BubbaT]

15 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

This is simply untrue since Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, and the other Beane draft picks haven't proven how good they actually are.  This roster isn't even as talented as the one that McDermott inherited in 2017 and immediately started dismantling.   Most of the supposed veteran talent on this team is mediocre, and the young talent is largely unproven.  Only White and perhaps Milano have shown themselves above average NFL players. 

 

How come you conveniently chose "the last fifteen years"?  Oh, yeah, because in the 2004 draft Tom Donahoe traded Dallas the Bills' 2005 first round pick for the Cowboys' first rounder to take JP Losman.   That doesn't fit your story line, of course, because Losman busted, and you don't wish to raise that idea in your defense of this regime.

 

As for FA signings, maybe if McDermott and Beane hadn't chosen to strip away so much talent, they wouldn't have been forced to overpay for mediocrity and could have spent their money on better FAs.

 

If "the proof is in the pudding", what has Beane proven exactly?  That he can gamble a lot of draft capital on relatively few prospects with big question marks?

 

 

 

If Allen has a HOF type career, then Beane got him cheap.  Anything less, and he paid way too much --- including Watkins.

 

 

The Bills last won a playoff game in 1995, twenty five years ago. Since then the Bills have had 5 winning seasons and 3 playoff appearances.  Between 1970 and 1994, twenty five seasons, the Bills had 10 winning seasons, 6 of them between 1988 and 1993 under Polian and Levy.

 

And absolutely none of that has any effect on the 2019 season. None of it.

[Rocket94]

Good. Let them continue to underestimate the Bills. The usual...all we can do is prove them wrong. Even when the Bills are winning, they still find something to gripe about.

Edited July 20, 2019 by Rocket94

[Locomark]

I would love to see the methods some of these guys use. How does someone write for SI and consistently give teams certain records and then in the commentary say he is probably under or overvaluing them? Either have convictions about your picks and your methods or find another line of work. This is what is wrong with the new wave of sports journalism. Its short on real content. 

[BADOLBILZ]

17 hours ago, mannc said:

Yeah, sure...just like EVERYONE knew it would take McDermott at least four years to turn around a team that was .500 under Rex Ryan...

 

 

"This roster needs to be seriously overhauled"...........said no one when Rex was fired.

 

McBeane created that narrative from scratch..........much to the delight of SB contending teams all around the NFL.

 

Same with the salary cap nonsense..........Beane in an interview the other day said that he "warned" The Pegs it would take "2-3 years" to clean up the salary cap "mess".........and then patted himself on the back for getting it done in just 2.?    The guy created the LARGEST AMOUNT OF DEAD MONEY by one team in one offseason in NFL history!...........OF COURSE he totally re-set the Bills cap in 2 offseasons.   Hilarious.     

 

The Bills salary cap issues were relatively minor........they still had average money to spend in FA and they always figured to have plenty of extra cap space in 2019-2020 when the old men McCoy/Wood/Clay type contracts would surely all be off the books.   But somehow ended up having to replace all of Nix and Whaley's remaining top picks(except Shaq!) AND doubled down on Wood and McCoy and lost. 

 

 

I hope these guys make it but if not expect a lot more of that kind of manipulating of the truth from McBeane as they try to buy more time to learn from their mistakes.

[DuckyBoys]

I'd love to see some conviction behind these picks  NFL has turnover every year  yet I see no surprise teams moving up and no top teams sliding down in their picks. They just regurgitated the 2018 standings with a minor tweak or two.

[SirAndrew]

On 7/18/2019 at 8:11 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Nailed again!  What has Darby and Bradham ever won?  Oh wait.  What good teams has Sammy ever played on?  Oh.  What about that loser Hogan?  Oh no.  And don’t get started on that chump Robert Woods?  

 

Clearly those guys were holding the Bills back!!!

Woods is the only player out of those guys I’d want on the current roster. Otherwise, I’d take what we have over any of those guys. Darby, Bradham, and Hogan are all meh, while Watkins injuries never allow him to live up to his potential. Being on a good team and being responsible for its success are not synonymous.