Warcodered Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/30/freddie-kitchens-odell-beckham-missing-a-lot-the-offense-at-otas/ "Odell Beckham Jr. remains away from the Cleveland Browns and the voluntary OTA sessions. He was not in Berea for Thursday’s session, marking the 8th practice in a row the star wideout has missed." 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Awesome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 is he throwing a tantrum for something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Must be hanging with Le’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: is he throwing a tantrum for something? On vacation in Monaco and bought a Rolls Royce apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 He was there for the first day, before they actully took the field and the press was there in force. Once the cameras packed up and left he disappeared. Classic team player. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: On vacation in Monaco and bought a Rolls Royce apparently. I find that never gets old...... 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get. It was his coach that made it a big deal. He answered the questions sounding pissed off that he wasn’t there, and now they’ve been talking about it all day in between the back and forth over the insipid Mayfield-Cowherd childish ***** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It was his coach that made it a big deal. He answered the questions sounding pissed off that he wasn’t there, and now they’ve been talking about it all day in between the back and forth over the insipid Mayfield-Cowherd childish ***** It may not be a big deal. But if I were a coach, I'd want all my players there. Especially new player as imprortant as Beckham to work with our second year QB 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get. No, he is not compelled to be there and, yes, he probably will come into camp ready to play. However, he is on a new team and it probably would have been a good idea to show up and interact with his new teammates. In the end, it probably won’t make a difference. But still... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get. I mean why would he want to have more reps with his brand new QB who's in his 2nd year in the NFL? Why would he want to build on his relationships with his entirely new team around him? Why would he want to have more reps working through an offensive system he's new to? I mean yeah your right whatever happens here in the offseason is meaningless compared to what happens in the season but I don't see why we can't look at things that are happening now and say whether we think they're good or bad. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Browns = House of cards. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Is he wearing timbs on a boat somewhere? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I’m sure this isn’t due to anger. The guy just paid to get his car re-done in Browns orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: I’m sure this isn’t due to anger. The guy just paid to get his car re-done in Browns orange. I don’t think it’s due to anger. It’s due to him having more important things to do. He’s a vet, whatever ... but it’s a terrible look when you have a new QB to develop chemistry with and a new offense to learn. It’s a wasted opportunity. If anyone benefits the most from this portion of OTAs, given the limited time available in TC now, it’s the QB/WR group 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 he's been busy with the final touches on his rolls. "all about me" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Warcodered said: https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/30/freddie-kitchens-odell-beckham-missing-a-lot-the-offense-at-otas/ "Odell Beckham Jr. remains away from the Cleveland Browns and the voluntary OTA sessions. He was not in Berea for Thursday’s session, marking the 8th practice in a row the star wideout has missed." Had i known that he would pull a stunt like this i would never have brought him to a Team. and EXACTLY why i pounded the table no when we were discussed trading for him. Brand new players Coaches etc over at the Browns. Nice project btw. Willl be watching them a bit. My opinion is this just sucks fro Browns Fans and rest of team as well. Boo ! bad form imho 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: No, he is not compelled to be there and, yes, he probably will come into camp ready to play. However, he is on a new team and it probably would have been a good idea to show up and interact with his new teammates. In the end, it probably won’t make a difference. But still... as Coach you cannot Long term Team build with this kind of person player. you go over the Top with a guy like this, and everyone loves you for it. not rebuild a team kinda guy . (see Bills ) for the right way to do it : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: he's been busy with the final touches on his rolls. "all about me" I am ruined. Rolls Royce. The epitome of Coachbuilding across the universe, has built and SUV. That's what Land Rover is for. Britain has lost its collective mind by now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: he's been busy with the final touches on his rolls. "all about me" ...at least if he gets cut, he can do Minute Maid commercials, right??........ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) It’s always tough. There’s a risk vs reward here that for a guy like him might not actually be worth it. Ankle, knee, hammy or Achilles and he’s scrapped a year. If he attends healthily, how much better is his season? Does he get 1 extra catch? 5? Are they in moments that actually matter? its a little bit like being ok with TJ yeldon fighting for a yard in the first quarter of a September game but maybe josh Allen needs to slide in the same spot. Im not sure. Edited May 30, 2019 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 At least Mayfield has the level headed, non diva, Jarvis Landry to rely upon during hard times..... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Missing OTAs?? Oh man, he’s never gonna catch up... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Ask not what your team can do for you during May, ask what you can do for your team all year long. The younger players need to become familiar with him, and he with them. Tom Brady, a far better player than OBJ, welcomes every Patriot player and makes them feel good about being his teammate. (Josh Allen is doing that too, and good for him.) OBJ wants his teammates to be in awe of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 TB12 has skipped OTAs for...how many years straight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: TB12 has skipped OTAs for...how many years straight? He’s also been in the same offense that whole time and well... is just slightly more proven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: He’s also been in the same offense that whole time and well... is just slightly more proven I had no idea it was the OTAs from which the NFL champion is decided. My point is, these threads pop up every year about players that are consistently superior to the guys on our roster. How about we worry about our own team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: I had no idea it was the OTAs from which the NFL champion is decided. My point is, these threads pop up every year about players that are consistently superior to the guys on our roster. How about we worry about our own team? Clearly it isn’t... his own coach was the one that made it a big topic in the media today. Not us. please feel free to worry about the Bills and ignore the thread 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Clearly it isn’t... his own coach was the one that made it a big topic in the media today. Not us. please feel free to worry about the Bills and ignore the thread Plenty of coaches worry about plenty of dumb stuff. How impactful do you think a week of voluntary OTAs are for an all pro WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...at least if he gets cut, he can do Minute Maid commercials, right??........ well he cannot very well do Grey Poupon . so much for subtle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnC said: He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: I had no idea it was the OTAs from which the NFL champion is decided. My point is, these threads pop up every year about players that are consistently superior to the guys on our roster. How about we worry about our own team? I have plenty of worry to go around. I am shifting mine to another team. less stressful. Or i could worry about Buffalo Bills Morse and Beasley or Q Spain or ....Bodine, orthe TEs. Brand new team all new Coaches and scheme. and routines. dudes a weenie head. 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Plenty of coaches worry about plenty of dumb stuff. How impactful do you think a week of voluntary OTAs are for an all pro WR? you are rather wealthy aren't you ? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: I mean why would he want to have more reps with his brand new QB who's in his 2nd year in the NFL? Why would he want to build on his relationships with his entirely new team around him? Why would he want to have more reps working through an offensive system he's new to? I mean yeah your right whatever happens here in the offseason is meaningless compared to what happens in the season but I don't see why we can't look at things that are happening now and say whether we think they're good or bad. well said....he'll be just another diva who fades away.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 he's in the best shape of his life.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, Fixxxer said: At least Mayfield has the level headed, non diva, Jarvis Landry to rely upon during hard times..... Landry has been missing a bunch too. Poor Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnC said: He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get. He might as well be a rookie though...new team, new QB, new offense, new language. Someone dedicated to winning and winning first would be there at OTA's. And, he has a bad reputation coming in, he has to earn the trust of the locker room, and this is not the best way to go about it. All he is doing is making himself look like he cares more about himself than putting in the work along side of his new teammates. OBJ may care about winning, but he's clearly not committed and dedicated enough to prioritize it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: It was his coach that made it a big deal. He answered the questions sounding pissed off that he wasn’t there, and now they’ve been talking about it all day in between the back and forth over the insipid Mayfield-Cowherd childish ***** If the coach is not happy with the player not showing up for non-mandatory practices that is tough. The rules of the game are the rules of the game. There are sessions that are not mandatory and there are sessions that are mandatory. The hyper player and personality will be at the mandatory sessions. That is what is required of him. If they wanted a choir boy and a team guy they shouldn't have signed him. They got what they got. 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: He might as well be a rookie though...new team, new QB, new offense, new language. Someone dedicated to winning and winning first would be there at OTA's. And, he has a bad reputation coming in, he has to earn the trust of the locker room, and this is not the best way to go about it. All he is doing is making himself look like he cares more about himself than putting in the work along side of his new teammates. OBJ may care about winning, but he's clearly not committed and dedicated enough to prioritize it. OBJ mostly cares about himself. It may be surprising to you but it is not to me. He will be ready when the season starts. He doesn't care what the locker room and others think about him. He'll be ready when the season starts. That's what matters to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: If the coach is not happy with the player not showing up for non-mandatory practices that is tough. The rules of the game are the rules of the game. There are sessions that are not mandatory and there are sessions that are mandatory. The hyper player and personality will be at the mandatory sessions. That is what is required of him. If they wanted a choir boy and a team guy they shouldn't have signed him. They got what they got. OBJ mostly cares about himself. It may be surprising to you but it is not to me. He will be ready when the season starts. He doesn't care what the locker room and others think about him. He'll be ready when the season starts. That's what matters to him. I didnt say it was surprising, I am saying he is just showing it to his new teammates and coaches now. So much for a fresh start and his whole thing about being outspoken because he wants to win. Clearly, he doesn't want to win that bad or he would be there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: If the coach is not happy with the player not showing up for non-mandatory practices that is tough. The rules of the game are the rules of the game. There are sessions that are not mandatory and there are sessions that are mandatory. The hyper player and personality will be at the mandatory sessions. That is what is required of him. If they wanted a choir boy and a team guy they shouldn't have signed him. They got what they got. OBJ mostly cares about himself. It may be surprising to you but it is not to me. He will be ready when the season starts. He doesn't care what the locker room and others think about him. He'll be ready when the season starts. That's what matters to him. I agree, they knew what they were getting. But Kitchens is the one making it a story. He’s clearly frustrated that he’s missing a lot. And it’s a distraction now, because of his media comments. OBJ cried behind the scenes in NY because he was stuck with a bad QB and dysfunctional organization. He should want to prove after the trade that his less than great couple of years aren’t who he is and that he can leave that in NY. He has a chance to do that, but instead has become a distraction again. Blame the player or blame the coach, but the local and national media will pounce on anything OBJ related. To me, he’s not required to be there, but don’t know why he wouldn’t want to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: I mean why would he want to have more reps with his brand new QB who's in his 2nd year in the NFL? Why would he want to build on his relationships with his entirely new team around him? Why would he want to have more reps working through an offensive system he's new to? I mean yeah your right whatever happens here in the offseason is meaningless compared to what happens in the season but I don't see why we can't look at things that are happening now and say whether we think they're good or bad. The player in question doesn't give a damnation about what other people think. Think whatever you want. What is the surprise here? The Browns traded for a volatile and self-centered player whose prior team owner essentially said get this freaking fool/priick out of here. The player will be at sessions he is required to be at. And he won't be at sessions that he won't be required to be at. He is not transgressing against any rules. He's doing his thing like he has always done his thing. The moral of the story is that you get what you get. If the Browns want players to conform then don't trade for players who have a raucous history of not conforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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