OBJ missing Cleveland OTAs

[YoloinOhio 27,542]

2 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

TB12 has skipped OTAs for...how many years straight?

He’s also been in the same offense that whole time and well... is just slightly more proven 

[Elite Poster 624]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He’s also been in the same offense that whole time and well... is just slightly more proven 

 

I had no idea it was the OTAs from which the NFL champion is decided. My point is, these threads pop up every year about players that are consistently superior to the guys on our roster. How about we worry about our own team?

[YoloinOhio 27,542]

1 minute ago, Elite Poster said:

 

I had no idea it was the OTAs from which the NFL champion is decided. My point is, these threads pop up every year about players that are consistently superior to the guys on our roster. How about we worry about our own team?

Clearly it isn’t...  his own coach was the one that made it a big topic in the media today. Not us. please feel free to worry about the Bills and ignore the thread 

[NoSaint 2,203]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Clearly it isn’t...  his own coach was the one that made it a big topic in the media today. Not us. please feel free to worry about the Bills and ignore the thread 

 

Plenty of coaches worry about plenty of dumb stuff. 

 

How impactful do you think a week of voluntary OTAs are for an all pro WR? 

[3rdand12 1,493]

29 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...at least if he gets cut, he can do Minute Maid commercials, right??........

well he cannot very well do Grey Poupon .
so much for subtle

[Buffalo Boy 808]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get.

 

[3rdand12 1,493]

5 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

I had no idea it was the OTAs from which the NFL champion is decided. My point is, these threads pop up every year about players that are consistently superior to the guys on our roster. How about we worry about our own team?

I have plenty of worry to go around.

 I am shifting mine to another team. less stressful.
Or i could worry about Buffalo Bills Morse and Beasley or  Q Spain or  ....Bodine, orthe TEs.

Brand new team all new Coaches and scheme. and  routines. dudes   a weenie head.
 

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Plenty of coaches worry about plenty of dumb stuff. 

 

How impactful do you think a week of voluntary OTAs are for an all pro WR? 

you are rather wealthy aren't you ?

 

lol

[LABILLBACKER 2,084]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

I mean why would he want to have more reps with his brand new QB who's in his 2nd year in the NFL? Why would he want to build on his relationships with his entirely new team around him? Why would he want to have more reps working through an offensive system he's new to? I mean yeah your right whatever happens here in the offseason is meaningless compared to what happens in the season but I don't see why we can't look at things that are happening now and say whether we think they're good or bad.

well said....he'll be just another diva who fades away....

[papazoid 401]

he's in the best shape of his life....

[aceman_16 1,084]

45 minutes ago, Fixxxer said:

At least Mayfield has the level headed, non diva,  Jarvis Landry to rely upon during hard times.....

Landry has been missing a bunch too. Poor Baker.

[Alphadawg7 5,614]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

He will be coming into camp in shape and ready to play. The rules don't compel him to be there so what is the big deal. If he were a younger player who needed to acclimate to the pro game then I can understand the concern. But he is a veteran who simply is preparing for the season in his own way. When the Browns traded for him they knew that he had a diva attitude. So they shouldn't be surprised with his individualistic approach to the team and game. If he plays up to his talents the organization will gladly tolerate his aberrant behavior. If he underperforms then his self-centered behavior will become an issue. Or another way of saying this is you get what you get.

 

He might as well be a rookie though...new team, new QB, new offense, new language.  Someone dedicated to winning and winning first would be there at OTA's.  And, he has a bad reputation coming in, he has to earn the trust of the locker room, and this is not the best way to go about it.   All he is doing is making himself look like he cares more about himself than putting in the work along side of his new teammates.  

 

OBJ may care about winning, but he's clearly not committed and dedicated enough to prioritize it.  

[JohnC 2,076]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was his coach that made it a big deal. He answered the questions sounding pissed off that he wasn’t there, and now they’ve been talking about it all day in between the back and forth over the insipid Mayfield-Cowherd childish ***** 

If the coach is not happy with the player not showing up for non-mandatory practices that is tough. The rules of the game are the rules of the game. There are sessions that are not mandatory and there are sessions that are mandatory. The hyper player and personality will be at the mandatory sessions. That is what is required of him. If they wanted a choir boy and a team guy they shouldn't have signed him. They got what they got.  

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

He might as well be a rookie though...new team, new QB, new offense, new language.  Someone dedicated to winning and winning first would be there at OTA's.  And, he has a bad reputation coming in, he has to earn the trust of the locker room, and this is not the best way to go about it.   All he is doing is making himself look like he cares more about himself than putting in the work along side of his new teammates.  

 

OBJ may care about winning, but he's clearly not committed and dedicated enough to prioritize it.  

OBJ mostly cares about himself. It may be surprising to you but it is not to me. He will be ready when the season starts. He doesn't care what the locker room and others think about him. He'll be ready when the season starts. That's what matters to him. 

[Alphadawg7 5,614]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If the coach is not happy with the player not showing up for non-mandatory practices that is tough. The rules of the game are the rules of the game. There are sessions that are not mandatory and there are sessions that are mandatory. The hyper player and personality will be at the mandatory sessions. That is what is required of him. If they wanted a choir boy and a team guy they shouldn't have signed him. They got what they got.  

OBJ mostly cares about himself. It may be surprising to you but it is not to me. He will be ready when the season starts. He doesn't care what the locker room and others think about him. He'll be ready when the season starts. That's what matters to him. 

 

I didnt say it was surprising, I am saying he is just showing it to his new teammates and coaches now.  So much for a fresh start and his whole thing about being outspoken because he wants to win.  Clearly, he doesn't want to win that bad or he would be there.  

[YoloinOhio 27,542]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If the coach is not happy with the player not showing up for non-mandatory practices that is tough. The rules of the game are the rules of the game. There are sessions that are not mandatory and there are sessions that are mandatory. The hyper player and personality will be at the mandatory sessions. That is what is required of him. If they wanted a choir boy and a team guy they shouldn't have signed him. They got what they got.  

OBJ mostly cares about himself. It may be surprising to you but it is not to me. He will be ready when the season starts. He doesn't care what the locker room and others think about him. He'll be ready when the season starts. That's what matters to him. 

I agree, they knew what they were getting. But Kitchens is the one making it a story. He’s clearly frustrated that he’s missing a lot. And it’s a distraction now, because of his media comments. OBJ cried behind the scenes in NY because he was stuck with a bad QB and dysfunctional organization. He should want to prove after the trade that his less than great couple of years aren’t who he is and that he can leave that in NY. He has a chance to do that, but instead has become a distraction again. Blame the player or blame the coach, but the local and national media will pounce on anything OBJ related. To me, he’s not required to be there, but don’t know why he wouldn’t want to be. 

[JohnC 2,076]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

I mean why would he want to have more reps with his brand new QB who's in his 2nd year in the NFL? Why would he want to build on his relationships with his entirely new team around him? Why would he want to have more reps working through an offensive system he's new to? I mean yeah your right whatever happens here in the offseason is meaningless compared to what happens in the season but I don't see why we can't look at things that are happening now and say whether we think they're good or bad.

The player in question doesn't give a damnation about what other people think. Think whatever you want. What is the surprise here? The Browns traded for a volatile and self-centered player whose  prior team owner essentially said get this freaking fool/priick out of here.

 

The player will be at sessions he is required to be at. And he won't be at sessions that he won't be required to be at. He is not transgressing against any rules. He's doing his thing like he has always done his thing. The moral of the story is that you get what you get. If the Browns want players to conform then don't trade for players who have a raucous history of not conforming.

[JohnC 2,076]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I agree, they knew what they were getting. But Kitchens is the one making it a story. He’s clearly frustrated that he’s missing a lot. And it’s a distraction now, because of his media comments. OBJ cried behind the scenes in NY because he was stuck with a bad QB and dysfunctional organization. He should want to prove after the trade that his less than great couple of years aren’t who he is and that he can leave that in NY. He has a chance to do that, but instead has become a distraction again. Blame the player or blame the coach, but the local and national media will pounce on anything OBJ related. To me, he’s not required to be there, but don’t know why he wouldn’t want to be.

I'm not a fan of OBJ because of his volatility and disruptive antics. I don't believe that McDermott would ever want a player like him on his team. And I salute the wrestling coach for his team oriented standard. It's understandable why the new Cleveland coach would be irritated at his non-appearance. Tough! As selfish as this kooky player is no one should doubt that he won't come into camp in shape and ready to play. The stories that are being generated because of his no-show for non-required sessions are nothing but noise that will be forgotten once the mandatory sessions begin and the season starts. Again, the moral of the story is you get what you get. 

[3rdand12 1,493]

8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The player in question doesn't give a damnation about what other people think. Think whatever you want. What is the surprise here? The Browns traded for a volatile and self-centered player whose  prior team owner essentially said get this freaking fool/priick out of here.

 

The player will be at sessions he is required to be at. And he won't be at sessions that he won't be required to be at. He is not transgressing against any rules. He's doing his thing like he has always done his thing. The moral of the story is that you get what you get. If the Browns want players to conform then don't trade for players who have a raucous history of not conforming.

Yes , but he was catching balls from Eli Manning.

i guess we will see how distancing himself from a new team that would love to have some leaders on Offense to rally around

[NoSaint 2,203]

19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didnt say it was surprising, I am saying he is just showing it to his new teammates and coaches now.  So much for a fresh start and his whole thing about being outspoken because he wants to win.  Clearly, he doesn't want to win that bad or he would be there.  

 

How many more games would they win with him there this week?

[Alphadawg7 5,614]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

How many more games would they win with him there this week?

 

You don’t know, that’s the point.  You have a 2nd year QB who is both learning the game and offense still and needs time to build rapport and timing with his receivers.  

 

Its a bone head move for OBJ to skip them, no defending that IMO.

[JohnC 2,076]

20 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didnt say it was surprising, I am saying he is just showing it to his new teammates and coaches now.  So much for a fresh start and his whole thing about being outspoken because he wants to win.  Clearly, he doesn't want to win that bad or he would be there.  

When has OBJ given a shiit what others think? The truth of the matter is that he not showing up for these voluntary sessions have nothing to do with how he will perform in the regular season. There is more than enough time in the mandatory sessions for him to be ready for the season. Again, when you bring in a self-centered diva you get a self-centered diva. What's the surprise? 

[Alphadawg7 5,614]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

When has OBJ given a shiit what others think? The truth of the matter is that he not showing up for these voluntary sessions have nothing to do with how he will perform in the regular season. There is more than enough time in the mandatory sessions for him to be ready for the season. Again, when you bring in a self-centered diva you get a self-centered diva. What's the surprise? 

 

And that self centered Diva act didn’t help the Giants win, actually disrupted team chemistry, hurt the team, and got himself traded over it.  

 

Maybe it’s time he took a different approach?  

Edited May 31 by Alphadawg7

[JohnC 2,076]

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didnt say it was surprising, I am saying he is just showing it to his new teammates and coaches now.  So much for a fresh start and his whole thing about being outspoken because he wants to win.  Clearly, he doesn't want to win that bad or he would be there.  

The OBJ of today is the OBJ of yesterday. Whether he is wearing a Giant uniform or a Brown uniform he is who he is. I really don't care what bullshiiit words he spouts and I don't give much credibility to any of his acts of sincerity. He is a known quantity. The Browns knew who they were trading for and the Giants knew who they were getting rid of.

 

The bottom line is that when the season starts he will be ready. Complaining about him not being a team guy makes no sense because he never was a team guy. Who the Browns traded for is exactly who and what they got.   

[WMDman 1,456]

sounds about right

[JohnC 2,076]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

And that self centered Diva act didn’t help the Giants win, actually disrupted team chemistry, hurt the team, and got himself traded over it.  

 

Maybe it’s time he took a different approach?  

You are asking the wrong question? The more meaningful question is why did the Browns trade for a player who was known to be disruptive? It's obvious why. They were enticed by his exceptional football talents. So I have little sympathy for complaints coming out of Cleveland about a player who is behaving as he has always behaved. You get what you get. 

[batmanfreek 32]

It’s a job.  He already knows how to play.  Otas are like the meeting that should have been an email or the synergy team building that really doesn’t make a difference.  He will show up when he has to and be ready.