Must be Jim called in a favor to Frank (Chad Kelly)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You would think Chad was the next Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Aaron Hernandez and Rae Carruth all rolled into one, with the way he is maligned on this board.

 

If he didn't have the talent to play in the NFL, he wouldn't be getting these "2nd chances" in college or in the NFL.  It was nothing to do with who his Uncle is.

 

With all respect, I think your viewpoint is a bit naive. 

 

There are many guys who have talent, but who derail their chances by getting cut from a college program, then suffering serious injury just before the draft, and who don't get "2nd chances" after continuing with the same problems that saw them cut from a HS team/cut from a college team/cut from an NFL team.  Yes, if Chad didn't have talent, his Uncle wouldn't open the door, but if he had talent and no Uncle and the same history, it doesn't seem like a stretch that he'd be out of football because that's just what happens to guys with talent, character issues, and no Uncle.

[MAJBobby]

13 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You would think Chad was the next Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Aaron Hernandez and Rae Carruth all rolled into one, with the way he is maligned on this board.

 

If he didn't have the talent to play in the NFL, he wouldn't be getting these "2nd chances" in college or in the NFL.  It was nothing to do with who his Uncle is.

 

Sure it does. The only two organizations that is talent has got him chances with are ones with Jim’s friends in a prominent role. 

 

Ooo and this is a league so drained in QB talent that Ryan Fitzpatrick keeps getting shots. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

With all respect, I think your viewpoint is a bit naive. 

 

There are many guys who have talent, but who derail their chances by getting cut from a college program, then suffering serious injury just before the draft, and who don't get "2nd chances" after continuing with the same problems that saw them cut from a HS team/cut from a college team/cut from an NFL team.  Yes, if Chad didn't have talent, his Uncle wouldn't open the door, but if he had talent and no Uncle and the same history, it doesn't seem like a stretch that he'd be out of football because that's just what happens to guys with talent, character issues, and no Uncle.

....excellent assessment Hap......because of WHO you know, there is NO such thing as 9 lives.....this is a privileged membership afforded to 1,696 annually, not a RIGHT of passage..high payiong Big Boyz League requires big boyz pants.....he's a diaper dandy stuck in a hi-chair.....Walmart now hiring at $12.75 an hour.....

[Green Lightning]

15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

At least he's got a coach who can look him in the eye and say "I played with Jim Kelly. I know Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly is a friend of mine. And Chad, you're no Jim Kelly.  Now LISTEN UP!"

Great reference and spot on. I Hope the kid doesn't "Manziel" what could be his last opportunity.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I'm not making any accusations, but let's just say that J often may have looked like he just got punched in the face with a powdered doughnut.

 

I have heard that elsewhere, but my question is more around Chad Kelly's other history which imply he is not able to keep his issues in some kind of control.

1) cut from his first high school team due to "unexplained disciplinary issues"

2) dismissed from his first college team due to "conduct detrimental to the team" after an altercation with coaches during a spring game, and statement by the head coach indicating it wasn't an isolated incident " He has had a pattern of behavior that is not consistent with the values of our program"

3) arrested outside a bar for disorderly conduct just after being given a "second chance" at another program

4) arrested for criminal trespassing after entering a woman's residence uninvited (presumably while drunk)

 

Just one of those things has been raised as a serious red flag for other NFL prospects.  It's not just if he's drinking, it's that he seems like a loose cannon who consistently can't follow rules and keep his behavior within bounds - and it looks like a pattern from HS to College to 2nd College to NFL.

 

Did Jim Kelly have a worse track record than the above?

[Elite Poster]

This kid is an absolute loser. I'm sick of him getting a million opportunities. 

[Wayne Cubed]

Chad getting another chance is the same reason coaches in this league get multiples ones.

[SirAndrew]

3 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

This kid is an absolute loser. I'm sick of him getting a million opportunities. 

Don’t worry this is his last chance (I think), and history shows it’s almost certain he’ll blow it. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have heard that elsewhere, but my question is more around Chad Kelly's other history which imply he is not able to keep his issues in some kind of control.

1) cut from his first high school team due to "unexplained disciplinary issues"

2) dismissed from his first college team due to "conduct detrimental to the team" after an altercation with coaches during a spring game, and statement by the head coach indicating it wasn't an isolated incident " He has had a pattern of behavior that is not consistent with the values of our program"

3) arrested outside a bar for disorderly conduct just after being given a "second chance" at another program

4) arrested for criminal trespassing after entering a woman's residence uninvited (presumably while drunk)

 

Just one of those things has been raised as a serious red flag for other NFL prospects.  It's not just if he's drinking, it's that he seems like a loose cannon who consistently can't follow rules and keep his behavior within bounds - and it looks like a pattern from HS to College to 2nd College to NFL.

 

Did Jim Kelly have a worse track record than the above?

It was a different time. Things chad is doing now most likely would have been brushed off as “boys will be boys” back then. Like I said there wasn’t video of everything so if It did get out it for the most part was his word against someone else’s word. Actually seeing a video makes it much worse. Also star athletes got away with a ton.

 

If Jim played now he would have been kicked out of the league. 

Edited April 28, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos

[SirAndrew]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Chad getting another chance is the same reason coaches in this league get multiples ones.

The issue with Chad is that he has yet to prove himself as a competent NFL starter. There isn’t enough film on him in a starting role to prove that. We hear all about his immense talent on this board, but he has yet to prove himself at the pro level. Somehow he keeps getting chances. Most unproven guys would have been out of football long ago with his track record. If he were a proven NFL talent then I’d understand. 

Edited April 28, 2019 by SirAndrew

[Gugny]

He's had multiple chances.  Personally, I hope he falls flat on his effed up face so someone who actually DESERVES a chance gets one.  

 

I'm tired of this punk's pathetic story.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

It was a different time. Things chad is doing now most likely would have been brushed off as “boys will be boys” back then. Like I said there wasn’t video of everything so if It did get out it for the most part was his word against someone else’s word. Actually seeing a video makes it much worse. Also star athletes got away with a ton.

 

If Jim played now he would have been kicked out of the league. 

 

It was a different time in some regards - sure, drunkenness and disorderliness were more apt to brush off as "boys will be boys" or to never be heard about pre-social-media.

 

But was it really a different time as regards getting dismissed from multiple programs for discipline issues?  If anything, I think that sort of thing (mouthing off to a coach in public etc) was LESS tolerated then.

[Phil The Thrill]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Read this thread. First page and bottom of page 15 should be enough to fill you in.

 

15 pages is way too much to shift through.  Can you give me a readers digest version?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Private lives were for the most part private back then. Everybody didn’t have a camera that instantly shares pics or video with the entire world.  

 

Private lives are still private for the most part.   If I get into a street fight with a bouncer, that's no longer my private life, right?

 

But it seems to me that getting cut from multiple programs for "discipline issues" or "conduct detrimental" (the latter involving coaches) has been a big red flag for a long time.

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

15 pages is way too much to shift through.  Can you give me a readers digest version?

Apparently, two sentences is ‘way too much’.

[stony]

20 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

It was a different time. Things chad is doing now most likely would have been brushed off as “boys will be boys” back then. Like I said there wasn’t video of everything so if It did get out it for the most part was his word against someone else’s word. Actually seeing a video makes it much worse. Also star athletes got away with a ton.

 

If Jim played now he would have been kicked out of the league. 

But isn't knowing there will be cameras and still repeatedly acting like a dick the problem?  Jim at least had the foresight to build a bar in his basement away from the prying eyes of the public.    

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

15 pages is way too much to shift through.  Can you give me a readers digest version?

 

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/10/23/broncos-qb-chad-kelly-arrested/

 

It's kind of a comedy of errors.  Chad Kelly got incoherent drunk at Von Miller's Halloween party and entered a private residence uninvited, where he frightened the mother of a young child and was sent off when the Man of the House beat him up with a vacuum cleaner tube (I'm not kidding, see above).

Both Kiko Alonso and Jim Bob Cooter have a similar incident in their past they had to live down.   The problem with Chad Kelly is it's the latest in a long line of incidents.  If it were the first/only, it would probably be seen as funny, but even then, when you're the QB and expected to lead the team, trespassing and getting run off by a guy waling on you with a housecleaning tool is not a good look.

 

2 minutes ago, stony said:

But isn't knowing there will be cameras and still repeatedly acting like a dick the problem?  Jim at least had the foresight to build a bar in his basement away from the prying eyes of the public.    

 

Rob Gronkowski built himself a "Party Bus".  Lots of guys manage to get drunk even in public and have a hired driver/wingman see them safely home.

[Phil The Thrill]

24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have heard that elsewhere, but my question is more around Chad Kelly's other history which imply he is not able to keep his issues in some kind of control.

1) cut from his first high school team due to "unexplained disciplinary issues"

2) dismissed from his first college team due to "conduct detrimental to the team" after an altercation with coaches during a spring game, and statement by the head coach indicating it wasn't an isolated incident " He has had a pattern of behavior that is not consistent with the values of our program"

3) arrested outside a bar for disorderly conduct just after being given a "second chance" at another program

4) arrested for criminal trespassing after entering a woman's residence uninvited (presumably while drunk)

 

Just one of those things has been raised as a serious red flag for other NFL prospects.  It's not just if he's drinking, it's that he seems like a loose cannon who consistently can't follow rules and keep his behavior within bounds - and it looks like a pattern from HS to College to 2nd College to NFL.

 

Did Jim Kelly have a worse track record than the above?

 

I am pretty sure that I remember hearing Vic Carucci, who is close to the Kelly family, that even with Jim’s connection and influence the idea of Chad going to the Bills has allegedly never been broached seriously.  Only because it was believed that having him in Buffalo close to all of the riff raft and enablers from his past, would be a giant distraction.  

 

I know there was a lot of optimism for him getting a fresh start in Denver.  He seemed to be doing fairly well.  It’s a shame things unraveled because on his way to getting some playing time.  

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

What exactly happened?  Why was he cut?

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

He's had multiple chances.  Personally, I hope he falls flat on his effed up face so someone who actually DESERVES a chance gets one.  

 

I'm tired of this punk's pathetic story.

I’m kinda in this camp.  Never heard a positive word about him from Buffalo people but still hoped he’d get it together because he was from here.  But he’s on his 16th chance because of his uncle when most people won’t get a second. 

[dubs]

Not that I really care either way, but do we really know Jim called in a favor here or are we just internet speculating on this one?

Edited April 28, 2019 by dubs

[C.Biscuit97]

43 minutes ago, stony said:

But isn't knowing there will be cameras and still repeatedly acting like a dick the problem?  Jim at least had the foresight to build a bar in his basement away from the prying eyes of the public.    

I will say the stories I heard of Jim (I was too young but I’ve heard from a lot of sources) were he was worst than Chad.  But he was super talented and there was no social media or cellphones.

[Ima Fan]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Thanks for the skinny.  Just curious why being cut from an NFL team would be a wake-up call, while being cut from a major college program that was his gateway to the NFL and going from a highly-touted highschool recruit to "Mr Irrelevant" (last pick of the NFL draft) did not?

 

I believe with a little age, comes a little clarity ?

[LabattBlue]

So are the haters also hating on their beloved Jimbo because he is helping out his nephew(according to some posters here)?

[stony]

 

31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I will say the stories I heard of Jim (I was too young but I’ve heard from a lot of sources) were he was worst than Chad.  But he was super talented and there was no social media or cellphones.

At the end of day, the biggest difference between the two.

[Tcali]

17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

At least he's got a coach who can look him in the eye and say "I played with Jim Kelly. I know Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly is a friend of mine. And Chad, you're no Jim Kelly.  Now LISTEN UP!"

or the famous ...."So now you're Jack Kennedy;);)"

Edited April 28, 2019 by Tcali

[Hapless Bills Fan]

41 minutes ago, Tcali said:

or the famous ...."So now you're Jack Kennedy;);)"

 

Hee hee wondered when someone would say that.  One heartbeat away!

 

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

So are the haters also hating on their beloved Jimbo because he is helping out his nephew(according to some posters here)?

 

Oh, BeHAVE.  Who is hating on Jimbo?  People are pointing out he was a known "wild Thang" in his time, can you dispute it?

 

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I will say the stories I heard of Jim (I was too young but I’ve heard from a lot of sources) were he was worst than Chad.  But he was super talented and there was no social media or cellphones.

 

But see that's my question.  Jim was a "party boy" and a wild thang, no doubt.  But did he have the same track record or "worse than Chad" for getting thrown off teams for discipline problems?  I doann Think so, and I think if anything, coaches were stricter in those days.  That's my thing with Chad, talented or no.  If you're gonna cross the line with the coaches and not be disciplined enough to stay within the rather-loose lines of the team rules, it's hard to participate in a team sport.  Better TUG.

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

15 pages is way too much to shift through.  Can you give me a readers digest version?

 

Read the first page.
At the bottom of page 1 you will see numbers. 
Go to page 15, the very bottom.
Read. 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Oh, BeHAVE.  Who is hating on Jimbo?  People are pointing out he was a known "wild Thang" in his time, can you dispute it?

 

I'm arguing the point that people think Chad would be out of chances if it wasn't for Jimbo, and if they hate Chad because of his multiple opportunities, isn't that indirectly hating on Jimbo for helping out his "out of control" nephew?  

 

Also, last time I looked Reich wasn't the GM or had control over personnel decisions.  So maybe connecting the dots isn't so simple as some make it out to be.

 

Bottom line...I just don't get all the hate toward Chad....he is clearly more talented than people make him out to be.  i.e.  he wouldn't have any chance in the NFL without Jimbo.  

Edited April 28, 2019 by LabattBlue

[RiotAct]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

He's had multiple chances.  Personally, I hope he falls flat on his effed up face so someone who actually DESERVES a chance gets one.  

 

I'm tired of this punk's pathetic story.

this post sort of reads like a Limp Bizkit song lyric

[RevWarRifleman]

20 hours ago, BmarvB said:

Let's hope he grew up and got his act together now. The talent is there. He needs the maturity badly

He needs a psychologist.

[Phil The Thrill]

13 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Read the first page.
At the bottom of page 1 you will see numbers. 
Go to page 15, the very bottom.
Read. 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Phil The Thrill

[MAJBobby]

16 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I'm arguing the point that people think Chad would be out of chances if it wasn't for Jimbo, and if they hate Chad because of his multiple opportunities, isn't that indirectly hating on Jimbo for helping out his "out of control" nephew?  

 

Also, last time I looked Reich wasn't the GM or had control over personnel decisions.  So maybe connecting the dots isn't so simple as some make it out to be.

 

Bottom line...I just don't get all the hate toward Chad....he is clearly more talented than people make him out to be.  i.e.  he wouldn't have any chance in the NFL without Jimbo.  

 

On thing is for sure. He wouldn’t have been drafted without Jim’s influence. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/30/john-elway-drafted-chad-kelly-after-plug-from-jim-kelly/amp/

 

Second not hard to connect the dots this “talented” QB is getting (maybe) yet another chance with a team that Jim’s friend has influence. 

 

You would think if Chad was so “talented” he would have signed somewhere well before a team where Jim’s friend has influence. After all the league has a QB talent problem. 

[cba fan]

On 4/28/2019 at 5:22 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

....not to worry!!...Irsay will be his mentor and guiding light.................

lol........we all know that owner blows.

[Charles Romes]

On 4/27/2019 at 8:29 PM, StHustle said:

Chad Kelly is light years better than Jake Dolegala. I believe Chad has learned his lesson. He knows he is on his final straw before a lifetime Manziel blackball.

 

How many final straws is this?

[Kelly the Dog]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

On thing is for sure. He wouldn’t have been drafted without Jim’s influence. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/30/john-elway-drafted-chad-kelly-after-plug-from-jim-kelly/amp/

 

Second not hard to connect the dots this “talented” QB is getting (maybe) yet another chance with a team that Jim’s friend has influence. 

 

You would think if Chad was so “talented” he would have signed somewhere well before a team where Jim’s friend has influence. After all the league has a QB talent problem. 

That goes both ways. Talent-wise, arm, and physical traits, if he didn't have the baggage he would likely have been a high draft pick.

[MAJBobby]

38 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That goes both ways. Talent-wise, arm, and physical traits, if he didn't have the baggage he would likely have been a high draft pick.

 

But he does have that baggage and why he needs his HOF uncle calling in favors. 

[Boatdrinks]

40 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That goes both ways. Talent-wise, arm, and physical traits, if he didn't have the baggage he would likely have been a high draft pick.

Yep, second round grade by Mayock that year if no baggage. Guy has some ability, and QBs are often over-drafted now so even late first might have been possible in that case. Favor or not ( we don’t know) , he’s not getting a look anywhere if the ability isn’t there. 

[MAJBobby]

12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Yep, second round grade by Mayock that year if no baggage. Guy has some ability, and QBs are often over-drafted now so even late first might have been possible in that case. Favor or not ( we don’t know) , he’s not getting a look anywhere if the ability isn’t there. 

 

Whats interesting is there is a guy with Talent (and actually has won many games at the NFL level) that doesn’t have a HOF Uncle, but get zip looks since leaving his first team. 

 

So it isn’t just talent. Specially when the ONLY two teams that have given him a look have ties to that HOF uncle. 

 

 

NOT even hating. As this is the way of the world. But it is Naive to think having Jim Kelly as an uncle doesn’t have pull 

Edited April 29, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Boatdrinks]

18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Whats interesting is there is a guy with Talent (and actually has won many games at the NFL level) that doesn’t have a HOF Uncle, but get zip looks since leaving his first team. 

 

So it isn’t just talent. Specially when the ONLY two teams that have given him a look have ties to that HOF uncle. 

 

 

NOT even hating. As this is the way of the world. But it is Naive to think having Jim Kelly as an uncle doesn’t have pull 

Of course he has pull within his circle, I don’t doubt that one bit. It old be naive to think he doesn’t. Absolutely it’s how the world works, and I have no problem with that. However, if the ability wasn’t there, CK doesn’t get a look. Just part of the equation.