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7 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

My nephew is good friends with him and says this last incident has totally changed him. Getting cut by an NFL team for behavior and realizing football could be over for life will do that to some.

 

What exactly happened?  Why was he cut?

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12 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow.  Hopefully, he doesn’t blow his 16th chance.  Nice to have an uncle who can get you everywhere in life. 

We don’t know that actually happened. 

 

Also, the kid is not bereft of talent. He can flat out play. And haven’t we heard the line about he’s done his time so now let him play from how many other examples? The NFL never cares if you’re a bad apple or not, only if you have talent. And compared to more egregious examples (virtually the entire 2018 KC skill set players), his hardly registers on the meter. 

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5 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

What exactly happened?  Why was he cut?


Read this thread. First page and bottom of page 15 should be enough to fill you in.

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11 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I hope you’re wrong.  I originally 😄ed at your post, but to do that’s just wrong.  I wonder if JK has any ins with Haslam.  Next screw up, Chad needs to be cleaning the rest rooms at a Flying J truck stop.

HINT: supreme sarcasm.......BOTH have some loose screws.............

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Jim just said "I did ten times more stupid crap than Chad did, ten times over and you know it." Reich was speechless and said you're right, we'll take him. 

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Coming soon to a random living room somewhere in the greater Indianapolis area.

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13 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean he does have talent.  But then you see a guy loses a chance at his dream because Swag gets another chance because he has a HOF uncle. Sucks for that kid. 

 

I hear ya, Biscuit.  On the other hand, it's the Way of the World in all places....someone gets a place in a college because of family influence and someone else loses it.  Someone gets a job and someone else loses their chance because of influence. 

 

Hopefully if the guy is good, he'll get other looks, at least an invite to a minicamp and more film.

38 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Jim just said "I did ten times more stupid crap than Chad did, ten times over and you know it." Reich was speechless and said you're right, we'll take him. 

 

Except I'm not sure it's true?  I know Jim drank and womanized, but Chad seems more out of control.  Was it hidden better?

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41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I hear ya, Biscuit.  On the other hand, it's the Way of the World in all places....someone gets a place in a college because of family influence and someone else loses it.  Someone gets a job and someone else loses their chance because of influence. 

 

Hopefully if the guy is good, he'll get other looks, at least an invite to a minicamp and more film.

 

Except I'm not sure it's true?  I know Jim drank and womanized, but Chad seems more out of control.  Was it hidden better?

Private lives were for the most part private back then. Everybody didn’t have a camera that instantly shares pics or video with the entire world.  

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49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I hear ya, Biscuit.  On the other hand, it's the Way of the World in all places....someone gets a place in a college because of family influence and someone else loses it.  Someone gets a job and someone else loses their chance because of influence. 

 

Hopefully if the guy is good, he'll get other looks, at least an invite to a minicamp and more film.

 

Except I'm not sure it's true?  I know Jim drank and womanized, but Chad seems more out of control.  Was it hidden better?

Idk. Everyone likes to compare Jim and Chad. I’m not convinced that it’s a reasonable comparison, regardless of the era they played. Chad has a history of arrests and legal issues, Jim did not have such problems. There’s a big difference between running afoul with the law versus not having great character. In Chad’s case making the same mistakes repeatedly shows a lack of self awareness and intelligence. Jim’s shenanigans didn’t get him kicked off multiple teams. 

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I hear ya, Biscuit.  On the other hand, it's the Way of the World in all places....someone gets a place in a college because of family influence and someone else loses it.  Someone gets a job and someone else loses their chance because of influence. 

 

Hopefully if the guy is good, he'll get other looks, at least an invite to a minicamp and more film.

 

Except I'm not sure it's true?  I know Jim drank and womanized, but Chad seems more out of control.  Was it hidden better?

I'm not making any accusations, but let's just say that J often may have looked like he just got punched in the face with a powdered doughnut.

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4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Why is this kid allowed back in the league?

 

Huh?   Why would he not be 'allowed' into the league?  Did he kill someone or beat his girlfriend unconscious?

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You would think Chad was the next Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Aaron Hernandez and Rae Carruth all rolled into one, with the way he is maligned on this board.

 

If he didn't have the talent to play in the NFL, he wouldn't be getting these "2nd chances" in college or in the NFL.  It was nothing to do with who his Uncle is.

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10 hours ago, StHustle said:

My nephew is good friends with him and says this last incident has totally changed him. Getting cut by an NFL team for behavior and realizing football could be over for life will do that to some.

 

Thanks for the skinny.  Just curious why being cut from an NFL team would be a wake-up call, while being cut from a major college program that was his gateway to the NFL and going from a highly-touted highschool recruit to "Mr Irrelevant" (last pick of the NFL draft) did not?

 

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2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

We don’t know that actually happened. 

 

Also, the kid is not bereft of talent. He can flat out play. And haven’t we heard the line about he’s done his time so now let him play from how many other examples? The NFL never cares if you’re a bad apple or not, only if you have talent. And compared to more egregious examples (virtually the entire 2018 KC skill set players), his hardly registers on the meter. 

 

Yet his talent (in a QB starving league) has only landed him in two Organizations that have Jim Kelly friends in prominent roles. 

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7 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You would think Chad was the next Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Aaron Hernandez and Rae Carruth all rolled into one, with the way he is maligned on this board.

 

If he didn't have the talent to play in the NFL, he wouldn't be getting these "2nd chances" in college or in the NFL.  It was nothing to do with who his Uncle is.

 

With all respect, I think your viewpoint is a bit naive. 

 

There are many guys who have talent, but who derail their chances by getting cut from a college program, then suffering serious injury just before the draft, and who don't get "2nd chances" after continuing with the same problems that saw them cut from a HS team/cut from a college team/cut from an NFL team.  Yes, if Chad didn't have talent, his Uncle wouldn't open the door, but if he had talent and no Uncle and the same history, it doesn't seem like a stretch that he'd be out of football because that's just what happens to guys with talent, character issues, and no Uncle.

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13 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You would think Chad was the next Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Aaron Hernandez and Rae Carruth all rolled into one, with the way he is maligned on this board.

 

If he didn't have the talent to play in the NFL, he wouldn't be getting these "2nd chances" in college or in the NFL.  It was nothing to do with who his Uncle is.

 

Sure it does. The only two organizations that is talent has got him chances with are ones with Jim’s friends in a prominent role. 

 

Ooo and this is a league so drained in QB talent that Ryan Fitzpatrick keeps getting shots. 

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

With all respect, I think your viewpoint is a bit naive. 

 

There are many guys who have talent, but who derail their chances by getting cut from a college program, then suffering serious injury just before the draft, and who don't get "2nd chances" after continuing with the same problems that saw them cut from a HS team/cut from a college team/cut from an NFL team.  Yes, if Chad didn't have talent, his Uncle wouldn't open the door, but if he had talent and no Uncle and the same history, it doesn't seem like a stretch that he'd be out of football because that's just what happens to guys with talent, character issues, and no Uncle.

....excellent assessment Hap......because of WHO you know, there is NO such thing as 9 lives.....this is a privileged membership afforded to 1,696 annually, not a RIGHT of passage..high payiong Big Boyz League requires big boyz pants.....he's a diaper dandy stuck in a hi-chair.....Walmart now hiring at $12.75 an hour.....

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15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

At least he's got a coach who can look him in the eye and say "I played with Jim Kelly. I know Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly is a friend of mine. And Chad, you're no Jim Kelly.  Now LISTEN UP!"

Great reference and spot on. I Hope the kid doesn't "Manziel" what could be his last opportunity.

 

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19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I'm not making any accusations, but let's just say that J often may have looked like he just got punched in the face with a powdered doughnut.

 

I have heard that elsewhere, but my question is more around Chad Kelly's other history which imply he is not able to keep his issues in some kind of control.

1) cut from his first high school team due to "unexplained disciplinary issues"

2) dismissed from his first college team due to "conduct detrimental to the team" after an altercation with coaches during a spring game, and statement by the head coach indicating it wasn't an isolated incident " He has had a pattern of behavior that is not consistent with the values of our program"

3) arrested outside a bar for disorderly conduct just after being given a "second chance" at another program

4) arrested for criminal trespassing after entering a woman's residence uninvited (presumably while drunk)

 

Just one of those things has been raised as a serious red flag for other NFL prospects.  It's not just if he's drinking, it's that he seems like a loose cannon who consistently can't follow rules and keep his behavior within bounds - and it looks like a pattern from HS to College to 2nd College to NFL.

 

Did Jim Kelly have a worse track record than the above?

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This kid is an absolute loser. I'm sick of him getting a million opportunities. 

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Chad getting another chance is the same reason coaches in this league get multiples ones.

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3 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

This kid is an absolute loser. I'm sick of him getting a million opportunities. 

Don’t worry this is his last chance (I think), and history shows it’s almost certain he’ll blow it. 

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8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have heard that elsewhere, but my question is more around Chad Kelly's other history which imply he is not able to keep his issues in some kind of control.

1) cut from his first high school team due to "unexplained disciplinary issues"

2) dismissed from his first college team due to "conduct detrimental to the team" after an altercation with coaches during a spring game, and statement by the head coach indicating it wasn't an isolated incident " He has had a pattern of behavior that is not consistent with the values of our program"

3) arrested outside a bar for disorderly conduct just after being given a "second chance" at another program

4) arrested for criminal trespassing after entering a woman's residence uninvited (presumably while drunk)

 

Just one of those things has been raised as a serious red flag for other NFL prospects.  It's not just if he's drinking, it's that he seems like a loose cannon who consistently can't follow rules and keep his behavior within bounds - and it looks like a pattern from HS to College to 2nd College to NFL.

 

Did Jim Kelly have a worse track record than the above?

It was a different time. Things chad is doing now most likely would have been brushed off as “boys will be boys” back then. Like I said there wasn’t video of everything so if It did get out it for the most part was his word against someone else’s word. Actually seeing a video makes it much worse. Also star athletes got away with a ton.

 

If Jim played now he would have been kicked out of the league. 

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4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Chad getting another chance is the same reason coaches in this league get multiples ones.

The issue with Chad is that he has yet to prove himself as a competent NFL starter. There isn’t enough film on him in a starting role to prove that. We hear all about his immense talent on this board, but he has yet to prove himself at the pro level. Somehow he keeps getting chances. Most unproven guys would have been out of football long ago with his track record. If he were a proven NFL talent then I’d understand. 

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