RD 6, Pick 181: S Jaquan Johnson, University of Miami

[BobbyC81]

19 minutes ago, d_wag said:

Meh, would rather just flip the 6th for a 5th next year if the guy just isn’t gonna make the cut (which I don’t think this guy will, barring injury). Cutting picks is a complete waste.

 

It’s all a crapshoot from here on.  Last year the Bills used 6th & 7th rnd picks on WRs and only one made the team while 2 undrafted players (Foster, Cam Phillips) were on the roster.

[100DollarBills]

Just now, akm0404 said:

 

Choose to be happy and enjoy this hobby - you don't have to let it make you angry.  I promise you'll have a better time if you commit to avoiding negativity.

I do enjoy it, I’m really not that negative. It’s just upsetting these people get to make money doing this stuff when they are barely competent. I’m glad we have Josh Allen, but our WRs and our drafting abilities to find them is severely lacking. 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, d_wag said:

I’ll say this draft does bode well for duke williams, he’ll get comp in UDFA but has to be considered early fav to make roster if they keep 6

 

It is interesting. I was hoping we'd draft a WR this year but maybe they like Duke better than I thought.

[billsfan1959]

27 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Fits the McD archetype that is all. 

Ridiculous

[Turk71]

3 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

if he didnt go to college in Buffalo, would anyone really care about him?

WR ANTHONY JOHNSON, BUFFALO (OVERALL: 171ST)

Among draft-eligible FBS wide receivers with at least 100 targets over the past two seasons, Johnson ranked tied for first in receptions of 15-plus yards (61) and second in yards per route run (3.48).

 

He is actually a very good receiver.

[100DollarBills]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

How many WRs were signed this Offseason?  And how did their likely future UDFA No 1 WR look after coming back after being humbled a bit on the PS?

We signed Beasley and Brown, whom have been career #3s. We don’t have a WR that is capable of getting 1,000 yards a year. We need that in today’s NFL. 

[BuffAlone]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They really aren't that vital after the kicker. The rules have made returns rare and you can find a #6 WR or #10 DB anywhere to play on teams.

Returns are rare? They were still about 50% last year...ST's are still a third of the game

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, 100DollarBills said:

We signed Beasley and Brown, whom have been career #3s. We don’t have a WR that is capable of getting 1,000 yards a year. We need that in today’s NFL. 

Who got that for the world champs?

[d_wag]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

How does a LBer or WR have an actual chance to make the Roster and Safety doesn’t (that is a ST ace). 

 

Guess you you didn’t see the play of Neal or Marlow at times last season. 

Like I said earlier, i thought neal showed very well and I also rate Marlowe (who will be facing a roster crunch himself, will they keep 5 safeties?). LB is wide open, Stanford and Lacey stunk and do not belong on the roster, thankfully Joseph will take one of their spots (Edwards, Milano, Alexander, Mo, Jospeh, and ?). 6th WR spot is also an open competition, I’m good with safety before you add another guy to the mix. Maybe they keep 5 backers only and 5/6 safeties, then this starts to make more sense (but not how i expect this to play out, expect him just to be cut and try to stash on PS)

[NoSaint]

17 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Religious?  What a ridiculous objection to a draft pick.

 

I think he meant it less as an objection and more as a “mcd might like the kid more than he should” 

 

may or or may not be fair. 

[100DollarBills]

Just now, SWATeam said:

Who got that for the world champs?

They don’t need it because Brady is Brady. 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

Returns are rare? They were still about 50% last year...ST's are still a third of the game

 

Really think it’s an even third? 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, 100DollarBills said:

We signed Beasley and Brown, whom have been career #3s. We don’t have a WR that is capable of getting 1,000 yards a year. We need that in today’s NFL. 

 

We don’t?  Go back and watch Robert Foster at the end of the season. 

 

Now which WR in the late rounds here would be that guy?

[akm0404]

2 minutes ago, 100DollarBills said:

I do enjoy it, I’m really not that negative. It’s just upsetting these people get to make money doing this stuff when they are barely competent. I’m glad we have Josh Allen, but our WRs and our drafting abilities to find them is severely lacking. 

 

I understand you are disappointed that they didn't pick the guys you liked.  I do wonder if you wholeheartedly believe that you could select better players than the Bills player personnel folks.  I personally don't think I could, as I'm just a layperson who enjoys football, but I think there are people here who spend a lot of time as "fantasy GMs"...

[BuffAlone]

26 minutes ago, HarryLime said:

So if he makes the team and we have 3 Johnson's in the secondary, we can call our dime package a Bunch of *****.

 

I'll see myself out.

We need another you so we can have a pair of Harry Limes to go along with the bunch of Johnson's?

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Go back and watch Robert Foster at the end of the season. 

 

The Bills must be high on Foster. At the very least they are going to give him an opportunity to prove he is a #1. If not, next year's draft is supposed to be a strong WR class.

Edited April 27, 2019 by HappyDays

[100DollarBills]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

We don’t?  Go back and watch Robert Foster at the end of the season. 

 

Now which WR in the late rounds here would be that guy?

There isn’t any, but we can at least try instead of drafting people who will be lucky to make PS with our current roster. 

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

Really think it’s an even third? 

Not necessarily an even third, but its still a good bit of plays that need covered. Still need gunners....

[MAJBobby]

Just now, 100DollarBills said:

There isn’t any, but we can at least try instead of drafting people who will be lucky to make PS with our current roster. 

 

Ummm John Brown got 1000 yards. Just saying. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

Returns are rare? They were still about 50% last year...ST's are still a third of the game

Take away extra points and touchbacks, its actually closer to 15% of the plays. 

Not saying it isn't a part of the game but special teams are not on the same level as the offense and defense units.

Penalties cause more harm than players actually making or missing plays on returns.

And this goes for the coordinator importance too. 

Just build a high quality roster and reserve maybe one guy designated as a gunner type after PK, P and LS of course.

Maybe this kid is that guy. Likes to be physical and special teams is played in space so any size mismatch won't be an issue.

 

[100DollarBills]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Ummm John Brown got 1000 yards. Just saying. 

You know what i mean. I’m talking about consistently. I’m not saying I don’t think they aren’t capable under Allen, it’s just risky. It would have been nice to develop a WR this year, worst case is you cut them and draft another next year until we find someone. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Who would trade both 7s for a 5 next year?

 

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, 100DollarBills said:

We signed Beasley and Brown, whom have been career #3s. We don’t have a WR that is capable of getting 1,000 yards a year. We need that in today’s NFL. 

 

The New England Patriots* (you may have heard of them) did not have a 1,000 yard receiver last year with the best QB of all time. I’d love a HOF WR, but so would everybody else. It’s OK if we spread the ball around. I’ll give our guys a chance while still looking under every rock for better options. 

[MAJBobby]

So there isn’t a 6th round WR that can do it consistently either (your words). So again what is the point?  

 

News Flash. Knox will help Allen more than any 6th round WR that likely won’t make the Roster 

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Take away extra points and touchbacks, its actually closer to 15% of the plays. 

Not saying it isn't a part of the game but special teams are not on the same level as the offense and defense units.

Penalties cause more harm than players actually making or missing plays on returns.

And this goes for the coordinator importance too. 

Just build a high quality roster and reserve maybe one guy designated as a gunner type after PK, P and LS of course.

Maybe this kid is that guy. Likes to be physical and special teams is played in space so any size mismatch won't be an issue.

 

No sir....your info is twisted. Returns were about 50%. I'm not counting anything other than kickoffs

[Augie]

Tyree Jackson and Elijah Holyfield would be fun. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by Augie

[Fires]

Bills must have someone in mind for the UDFA's..

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Not all that different from Poyer. Could definitely develop into a McDermott scheme safety 

Edited April 27, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, 100DollarBills said:

What gets my blood boiling is losing and not having a WR worth a F over the last 10 years due to ineptness. Some of us have high standards, thankfully Beane seems to be fairly competent, but so far it doesn’t appear to be so for the WR department. 

 

OK, I think you've made your opinion known, now let it go.

 

As for "not having a WR worth a F over the last 10 years", two former Bills WR faced off in the Super Bowl last year.  One of them, our 2013 2nd round pick, led his team in receiving yards with >1200.  When he was here, the New Guard didn't think too much of him - hardworking 40-45 ypg guy - so they let him move on in FA.   The other, wearing a superbowl ring to go with two AFC Champ rings, was undrafted, and actually IS a hardworking  40-45 ypg guy, though strangely he only managed 20 ypg when with Buffalo.

 

Possibly the problem is not just the WR, but the guy throwing to them?

 

 

 

[ctk232]

1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said:

Projection: Fourth to fifth round

Bottom Line

Johnson brings quite a bit of experience to the table having received significant starter-level reps at both high school and college level. He’s a type-A personality and the type of player who’ll inspire his teammates to go into battle with him. On the field, he plays with an aggressive, physical demeanor and tracks ball-carriers like a heat-seeking missile. And his tackle numbers as a junior and senior highlight how sound he is at bringing players down once they’re in his grasp.

One of the biggest knocks on Johnson centers on his physical traits as he’s far from the tallest safety prospect. And given these size concerns, can he continue to play as physical as he did in college given the power he’ll see at the next level? His play speed might also be a bit of an issue which showed up during the Combine as he ran a 40 that ranked in the 11th percentile. All those weak suits might serve to limit his ceiling.

There’s no doubting Johnson’s intangibles. That much is certain given the leadership he demonstrated for his Miami squad. And there are elements of his skill set that hint at him eventually developing into a starter in the NFL. Concerns over height and overall length likely push him into day three of the draft. But that could classify him as a possible late round steal.

 

https://lastwordonprofootball.com/2019/04/23/jaquan-johnson-2019-nfl-draft-profile/

Idk, I like the kid (Johnson is quickly becoming the new Williams, dare I say). Overall, depth is fine and ST help is much needed, but I honestly would’ve rather taken a flyer on Kelvin Harmon here to add to the corps. I get next year has more depth of talent at the skill positions but for the value in the sixth he was there.

[BillsfanAZ]

19 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

WR ANTHONY JOHNSON, BUFFALO (OVERALL: 171ST)

Among draft-eligible FBS wide receivers with at least 100 targets over the past two seasons, Johnson ranked tied for first in receptions of 15-plus yards (61) and second in yards per route run (3.48).

 

He is actually a very good receiver.

how do you know he fits what the Bills are doing? Has anyone on this page talked to him personally about X's and O's? Every team has passed on him multiple times. WR's are being drafted that were ranked way below him. Harmon dropped to the 6th round when everyone thought he was a 2nd rounder. Never know what teams are looking for. 

[Scorp83]

33 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

Why do people harp on and on about a player just because they played college locally?

Oh I wasn't harping on him cause of his local status... I'm looking to add someone that can turn into a potential #1 threat! Right now at this point...its slim pickings... Anthony Johnson is the only one left that with good coaching can turn into that player for us. Our WR's just isn't enough... like someone else posted "The WR position is like Nate Peterson... we can see the train wreck about to happen"

31 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

if he didnt go to college in Buffalo, would anyone really care about him?

See my other post ⬆️

Edited April 27, 2019 by Scorp83

[Kelly the Dog]

The Bills have spoken about this publicly, that there are two ways to look at a WR corps: 1) to have a clear #1 WR who gets a huge number of targets (which doesn't just mean he's your team's best but a true #1, of which there may be only 15), and then a clear #2 and #3, etc)... OR... 2) You have no true #1 so you have several varied components and try to beat the other team with 4-5 different kinds of receivers and cogs.

 

The Bills went after a #1 in Antonio Brown to some degree. When that didn't work, and no other #1 was likely available or would be a smart pick at #9 in the draft, they went the second route. They signed a deep threat and a solid slot guy. They have a possible #1 in Foster who has not proven anything yet, and a couple interesting prospects in Duke and Mackenzie, along with Zay. It makes a lot of sense. IMO we could use a big guy that can go deep, because that is the cog we don't have in the five components strategy. 

[BillsFan4]

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2019 by BillsFan4

[BillsfanAZ]

7 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

Oh I wasn't harping on him cause of his local status... I'm looking to add someone that can turn into a potential #1 threat! Right now at this point...its slim pickings... Anthony Johnson is the only one left that with good coaching can turn into that player for us. Our WR's just isn't enough... like someone else posted "The WR position is like Nate Peterson... we can see the train wreck about to happen"

See my other post ⬆️

Not all teams have a legit #1 WR because they are hard to come by. If the Bills thought that Johnson could be that guy, they would have picked him already. 

[Turk71]

Antonio Brown was a 5th round draft choice, believe it or not those guys are out there.

On 4/27/2019 at 1:59 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

The Bills have spoken about this publicly, that there are two ways to look at a WR corps: 1) to have a clear #1 WR who gets a huge number of targets (which doesn't just mean he's your team's best but a true #1, of which there may be only 15), and then a clear #2 and #3, etc)... OR... 2) You have no true #1 so you have several varied components and try to beat the other team with 4-5 different kinds of receivers and cogs.

 

The Bills went after a #1 in Antonio Brown to some degree. When that didn't work, and no other #1 was likely available or would be a smart pick at #9 in the draft, they went the second route. They signed a deep threat and a solid slot guy. They have a possible #1 in Foster who has not proven anything yet, and a couple interesting prospects in Duke and Mackenzie, along with Zay. It makes a lot of sense. IMO we could use a big guy that can go deep, because that is the cog we don't have in the five components strategy. 

Hakeem Butler had more 20 yd plus catches than any receiver in the draft. He is 6'5" and ran 4.48. 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Turk71

[3rdnlng]

Just now, Turk71 said:

Antonio Brown was a 5th round draft choice, believe it or not those guys are out there.

 

HOFer Andre Reed was a 4th rounder.

[GreggTX]

1 hour ago, Mountain Man said:

Seems like he is more of a Nickel Corner than safety. Which is a need

 

I think that job goes to Taron Johnson or EJ Gaines if Levi Wallace wins the job opposite Trae'Davious.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

Oh I wasn't harping on him cause of his local status... I'm looking to add someone that can turn into a potential #1 threat! Right now at this point...its slim pickings... Anthony Johnson is the only one left that with good coaching can turn into that player for us. Our WR's just isn't enough... like someone else posted "The WR position is like Nate Peterson... we can see the train wreck about to happen"

See my other post ⬆️

 

Do you guys really think it's realistic that a 6th or 7th round pick is going to turn into a reliable, 1000+ yard per season  #1 WR?

 

I don't think we fans really have a clue who will or won't turn into even a capable NFL player at this point in the draft.

Even for guys who get paid to do this, the odds of success at this point in the draft are 5 or 10% (depending upon what you count as success - and that's not "becomes star" just "makes the team/active on game day/sees the field"

[DrDawkinstein]

Bummed this thread about Jaquan has turned into a WR B word-fest.