Buddy Hix Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Obviously, claiming no FAs will come to Buffalo is an over exaggeration, but I do think there is difficulty in attracting talent to this city and team. Whether the difficulty is warranted or not is kind of besides the point, because I think it exists. Not all talent feels this way, as evidenced by our yearly signings, but I think it’s obviously a factor year in and year out. But hey, why not start a thread to disprove an obvious over exaggeration and not address the salient points of the argument. Because...like button? Edited March 12, 2019 by Buddy Hix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, Logic said: The most recent reporting suggests that it was Beane that walked away due to contract demands, but ok. That's not right at all, but that story will live on forever at OBD, no doubt. 15 minutes ago, fridge said: That's ? The ? Whole ? Point ? I don't really care that Buffalo isn't a premier destination because you almost always overpay for "marquee" players, but you either don't understand the argument or deliberately undermined your point in the first sentence. Did anyone really suggest that the team literally couldn't sign free agents? If you really can't understand this, look into how everyone, including Antonio Brown, reacted to the possibility that he would become a Bill. The issue was never that we couldn't sign any free agent! It was that we can't sign top free agents who are in high demand in many places and who have the luxury of picking where they go. We will always have trouble competing for that demographic, and we just ran into that problem with Brown, with the player not coming to Buffalo. Not really sure what the point of this thread is supposed to be; it's misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: That's not right at all, but that story will live on forever at OBD, no doubt. The issue was never that we couldn't sign any free agent! It was that we can't sign top free agents who are in high demand in many places and who have the luxury of picking where they go. We will always have trouble competing for that demographic, and we just ran into that problem with Brown, with the player not coming to Buffalo. Not really sure what the point of this thread is supposed to be; it's misguided. ...seems like we agree, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Those Super Bowls were 20 years ago bro. Oh okay. Dallas is the new Siberia now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Oh okay. Dallas is the new Siberia now. I meant you should have knocked that chip off your shoulder by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Of course we can't recruit free agents. Someone say it and it must be true. It's become a national phenomena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Logic said: Talk about assumptions fueled by Napoleon complex. Sheesh. I'm sorry, what? You're the one who begs so badly to be relevant that you can't help but start a thread to shout out, "look at us! we did something! we're relevant!" Whatever. The signings are perfectly fine. Certainly nothing to be too upset or excited about. I will never understand the people of Buffalo's obsession with being a destination. Maybe you said it best, a Napoleon Complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The narrative won't be put to bed because it's true. It will end when either A) It stops snowing in this region or B) The team starts competing in Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Obviously, claiming no FAs will come to Buffalo is an over exaggeration, but I do think there is difficulty in attracting talent to this city and team. Whether the difficulty is warranted or not is kind of besides the point, because I think it exists. Not all talent feels this way, as evidenced by our yearly signings, but I think it’s obviously a factor year in and year out. But hey, why not start a thread to disprove an obvious over exaggeration and not address the salient points of the argument. Because...like button? There are some who may not want to come here because they feel the social life is lacking, or whatever. There are also some who will see things about the city as a positive, such as when Mario liked it because of hunting opportunities, or if you have a family. This issue gets overblown because folks that are from the area love WNY and take it personally when someone disses the area. The fact that a number of players stick around after their careers says something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, Haze_21 said: [Klemko] NFL players’ Top 5 free agency destinations, according to their agents: 1. Dallas 2. Seattle 3. Miami 4. L.A. Rams 5. Atlanta Bottom 5: 1. Buffalo 2. Oakland* 3. Cincinnati 4. Detroit 5. Cleveland *Vegas move will change things, respondents said. We're Number One !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: I meant you should have knocked that chip off your shoulder by now. Don't you have tolls to collect somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Today and yesterday have been exciting, but I don't see any of these guys -- perhaps with the exception of Morse (who still has injury questions) as any different from past years. I think the easy way to look at it is -- what would the LA Rams, Dallas Cowboys, Chicago Bears, etc. have offered guys like Brown or Beasley -- I think the clear answer is less. So while this season has perhaps been moving the needle in the right direction, I don't think that narrative is completely false, either. This is the wrong way to look at it. You need to look at it thru the lens of a team needing/signing WR's. Or players at the other positions. Mitch is now the highest paid center in the league. Word is Paradis will surpass that when he signs. Free Agency is all about the Law of Supply & Demand in 3D. The Supply & Demand of Players; the Supply & Demand of resources at positions of need and the Supply of and Demand for money on a sliding scale based on players and # of players at the various positions. FA is about positions of need - because they'll play now. The Draft is about the BPA - because they may not play regularly for 1-2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 We overpaid for ok talent. So I dont think its put to bed when players are taking less money to go to better situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I love the signings they've made so far. But signing John Brown, Cole Beasley, and Mitch Morse is not a huge perception changer. Obviously, they can sign guys. But when it's said Buffalo can't sign players, it's referring to the Antonio Brown's and Le'Veon Bell's of the world. The cream of the crop will never come here if given a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: 47 minutes ago, Logic said: The most recent reporting suggests that it was Beane that walked away due to contract demands, but ok. That's not right at all, but that story will live on forever at OBD, no doubt. That's your opinion and your entitled to it - but it is not fact. The negotiations with Pittsburgh advanced far enough that the Bills asked to speak to AB's rep Rosenhaus (sp). When hearing how much AB was looking for, Beane pulled out. Around the same time, media-types were reporting that the Bills and Steelers were close to a deal to which AB said "Fake News" (because he knew the Bills backed out). All the noise then prompted Bean to make his "eloquent" statement to quash the "Buffalo is undesirable" threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: We signed mid level FAs but a super star WR spit in our face. So no. Except that didnt happen that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBOY Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, fridge said: That's ? The ? Whole ? Point ? I don't really care that Buffalo isn't a premier destination because you almost always overpay for "marquee" players, but you either don't understand the argument or deliberately undermined your point in the first sentence. Did anyone really suggest that the team literally couldn't sign free agents? If you really can't understand this, look into how everyone, including Antonio Brown, reacted to the possibility that he would become a Bill. At least a few people get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Regarding each signing in and of itself - the question to ask is "did we upgrade ourselves at that player's position". The answer is yes across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Don't you have tolls to collect somewhere? Projection. 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except that didnt happen that way. Okay dude. Either way, that's the perception around the league. Mario Williams did more to change the narrative than the C from KC. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I think we all braced for solid value signings like Hyde & Poyer. And so far that's exactly what's happening. Great job BB..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Wow we really have some salty members over this AB crap. Too much haterade being drank cheer up Agreed - F AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I think they are doing the same thing to offense as they did to defense when they first came onboard. Plugging in guys that have value and then will add guys through draft and coach them up. Didn't we have a top defense last year? If all goes the same on O they should be alright. Throwing large contracts at a couple single players is a good way to limit multiple areas of the team and end result, you will be bad. We do not need any super star players that won't buy into the process.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Bills can recruit FAs when we're not competing against other teams for those FAs. Simple. You never see '5 teams in talks with [player]" and the Bills come out winning that FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Bills can recruit FAs when we're not competing against other teams for those FAs. Simple. You never see '5 teams in talks with [player]" and the Bills come out winning that FA. There's always an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 We have plenty of talent to be a successful team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 There are exceptions to the rule, but IMO, in the case of the majority of players...MONEY TALKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: We aren't talking about "necessary to build a good team." A good long snapper is "necessary." That doesn't make it a marquee signing. Try to pay attention. The Bills have also always been able to sign FAs, they have never gone into a season fielding only half a roster cause no one wanted to sign. Its whether they can get the top level guys to agree. Lower level FAs, big names at the tail end of their careers, they will sign wherever the can in most cases. Yes, one year the Bill's signed Mario William's after days of wooing and offering huge money. But it's not common, and none of the guys they are set to sign would be considered the elite guys. Morse might be the highest level guy, but he wasnt even the biggest name at his position, and there weren't a ton of teams with a guaranteed starting spot at C in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: The Bills have also always been able to sign FAs, they have never gone into a season fielding only half a roster cause no one wanted to sign. Its whether they can get the top level guys to agree. Lower level FAs, big names at the tail end of their careers, they will sign wherever the can in most cases. Yes, one year the Bill's signed Mario William's after days of wooing and offering huge money. But it's not common, and none of the guys they are set to sign would be considered the elite guys. Morse might be the highest level guy, but he wasnt even the biggest name at his position, and there weren't a ton of teams with a guaranteed starting spot at C in the league. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Logic said: Isn't it fun to be willfully obtuse?! 1 hour ago, fridge said: I'm sorry, what? You're the one who begs so badly to be relevant that you can't help but start a thread to shout out, "look at us! we did something! we're relevant!" Whatever. The signings are perfectly fine. Certainly nothing to be too upset or excited about. I will never understand the people of Buffalo's obsession with being a destination. Maybe you said it best, a Napoleon Complex. A guy with the name "Logic" makes a general statement that free agents won't come to Buffalo and points to this UFA signing period as evidence. We forget that John Brown turned Buffalo down last year and it's logical to deduce that he went to Baltimore because they were closer to competing for a title. This, as opposed to Buffalo featuring Nate Peterman and likely a rookie at QB. Buffalo took Josh Allen last year and I'd say most fans think he'll take a step in the right direction in 2019. Still, as a player, you want to win AND get paid. It's why someone like Teddy Bridgewater turned Miami down to remain New Orleans' backup. It's why higher end UFAs like Morse, Brown, and Beasley are now willing to come to Buffalo. When you win or players think you've got a legit chance to win, your team becomes more attractive. That and you offer a lot of money. Buffalo still has a lot to prove on the field, but they've made some moves in the right direction because players think they're finally getting it right. I don't think there's a fan-base in the entire NFL with more of an inferiority complex. Yet, if you win, they'll come (apologies to Ray Kinsella) and hopefully Buffalo turns around after 20 years of bad to mediocre football so they can continue to attract better talent. Edited March 12, 2019 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 52 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said: Regarding each signing in and of itself - the question to ask is "did we upgrade ourselves at that player's position". The answer is yes across the board. Although that not setting the bar high considering some of the guys they will be replacing...... Theres nothing wrong with the players they signed, they all appear to be upgrades (Johnson and Gore are questionable upgrades) for decent value that will help. They arent guys that ate going to blow people away, but they are good signings that will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Bills can recruit FAs when we're not competing against other teams for those FAs. Simple. You never see '5 teams in talks with [player]" and the Bills come out winning that FA. ^ this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Bills can recruit FAs when we're not competing against other teams for those FAs. Simple. You never see '5 teams in talks with [player]" and the Bills come out winning that FA. You dont think Morse was not being looked at by other NFL teams? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: You dont think Morse was not being looked at by other NFL teams? Really? Obviously, not since he signed with the Bills so quickly. He was desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 This is absurd. There are only so many roster spots in the NFL and guys want to get paid. No one ever claimed the Bills cannot sign any players. The talk is that they cannot attract the marquee names. The closest to that this year is Morse. The rest are all the types of signings the team has done for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You dont think Morse was not being looked at by other NFL teams? Really? The talk has been all about Paradis and Morse was viewed as the consolation prize. Bills offered the consolation prize big money and he took it. Dont remember seeing or hearing anything about the market for him though. There are also only a few teams with a desparate need for a starting C right now Edited March 12, 2019 by apuszczalowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, apuszczalowski said: The talk has been all about Paradis and Morse was viewed as the consolation prize. Bills offered the consolation prize big money and he took it. Dont remember seeing or hearing anything about the market for him though. A consolation prize? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT Take a lap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: A consolation prize? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT Take a lap Ok, show me one report listing him as the top C available, and show me some rumor or report of teams that were interested in him as their top choice. The top choice in the FA C market was Paradis, Morse was viewed as the next best available option, or sonsolation prize for a team that couldnt get Paradis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: Ok, show me one report listing him as the top C available, and show me some rumor or report of teams that were interested in him as their top choice. The top choice in the FA C market was Paradis, Morse was viewed as the next best available option, or sonsolation prize for a team that couldnt get Paradis ^this guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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