BillyWhiteShows Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Technically teams trade contracts - not players - so if a deal was made in good faith, then there would have to be a clause regarding alternate compensation or reversal. I do not know how common that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I believe not unless the transaction paperwork submitted to league specifies terms if player refuses to report 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan5121 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 This would be tough because if brown sat out the year, what would happen to the pick the Steelers made with the traded asset? I guess technically the trade could maybe have language that says something about buffalo getting Pitts 1st in 2020 if Brown doesn’t report, and Pitt gets his contract back and rights back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Every trade has language about passing a physical If the player never shows up, he doesn't pass, and the trade is voided. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I believe the player has to pass a physical before the trade is official. If he didn't report, the trade wouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I dont know, what happened when Darwin Walker did it to us? I feel like we still lost our picks, but got some back when we traded him to a team he wanted to play for, think it was the Bears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Every trade has language about passing a physical If the player never shows up, he doesn't pass, and the trade is voided. I believe this is correct-I know it has happened before but I am not certain it is in every contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: I dont know, what happened when Darwin Walker did it to us? I feel like we still lost our picks, but got some back when we traded him to a team he wanted to play for, think it was the Bears? Amazing that the guy didn't show up - we dumped him for a 5th that we used to package to get stroud. But the original trade was walker + 7th for takeo spikes and holcomb. And somehow that 7th was Stevie Johnson. So I think we won a trade, where the guy we traded for didn't even show up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. Great question.. I would GUESS every team has one of their attorneys review every contract..at least I would hope they would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. If he were to report for a physical and pass he could still refuse to play. In that scenario, the team a player is traded to has to deal with that issue. That's why it makes sense that the Bills said no to the deal because they didn't talk to Brown's camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Brown would develop hamstring issues much like Jairus Byrd developed foot issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Man.. sometimes being a genius and knowing how to use google/wikipedia is a curse.... On March 3, 2007, Plummer was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a 2008 conditional draft pick. However, rumors began to surface that Plummer was going to choose retirement over competition with the Buccaneers' four other quarterbacks on the roster (Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown).[14] On March 9, Plummer ended the speculation by announcing his decision to retire.[2]Plummer also confirmed his retirement through the Jake Plummer Foundation's website.[15] Since he was still under contract to the Buccaneers and had already been given his contract signing bonus, Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden met with Plummer in July to try to convince him to reconsider and report for training camp.[2][16] However, the attempt was unsuccessful and the team sued for recovery of the bonus. A settlement was finally reached on June 10, 2008 in which Plummer was required to pay back $3.5 million to the Buccaneers.[17] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: Man.. sometimes being a genius and knowing how to use google/wikipedia is a curse.... On March 3, 2007, Plummer was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a 2008 conditional draft pick. However, rumors began to surface that Plummer was going to choose retirement over competition with the Buccaneers' four other quarterbacks on the roster (Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown).[14] On March 9, Plummer ended the speculation by announcing his decision to retire.[2]Plummer also confirmed his retirement through the Jake Plummer Foundation's website.[15] Since he was still under contract to the Buccaneers and had already been given his contract signing bonus, Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden met with Plummer in July to try to convince him to reconsider and report for training camp.[2][16] However, the attempt was unsuccessful and the team sued for recovery of the bonus. A settlement was finally reached on June 10, 2008 in which Plummer was required to pay back $3.5 million to the Buccaneers.[17] That’s real nice but the article says nothing about compensation getting returned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: Man.. sometimes being a genius and knowing how to use google/wikipedia is a curse.... On March 3, 2007, Plummer was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a 2008 conditional draft pick. However, rumors began to surface that Plummer was going to choose retirement over competition with the Buccaneers' four other quarterbacks on the roster (Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown).[14] On March 9, Plummer ended the speculation by announcing his decision to retire.[2]Plummer also confirmed his retirement through the Jake Plummer Foundation's website.[15] Since he was still under contract to the Buccaneers and had already been given his contract signing bonus, Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden met with Plummer in July to try to convince him to reconsider and report for training camp.[2][16] However, the attempt was unsuccessful and the team sued for recovery of the bonus. A settlement was finally reached on June 10, 2008 in which Plummer was required to pay back $3.5 million to the Buccaneers.[17] If you were a genius, you would have understood that the original question was regarding the compensation the other team received for him in the trade, not salary or bonus money paid. And unless specifically specified in the deal (which no ones going to agree to), once the trade is official, it's a done deal, unless it can be found that the other team committed some kind of fraud or they agree to alter the terms of the deal. Most players will at least report because they don't want to lose money or be seen as being an issue and try to work out a deal with the new team to get flipped, or a better deal to make them happy. If AB didn't say last night he would refuse to play in Buffalo, there's a chance the Bills could have lost a pick and draft position just to hold ABs rights..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Man... now i gotta post the rest of it too?!? On March, 2, 2007, Plummer faxed a letter to the NFL office stating his intention to retire. The next day, the Broncos traded his contractual rights to the Bucs in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2008 draft if he played, or a seventh-rounder if he didn’t. Plummer indeed retired, and the Broncos used the seventh-round draft choice they acquired from Tampa Bay to select fullback Peyton Hillis. The Bucs, in return, are expected to get $3.5 million of Plummer’s signing bonus for a seventh-round pick Conditions conditions conditions... i guess i just kinda thought it was assumed as it was mentioned and the money stuff w the bonuses is the interesting part. Edited March 9, 2019 by gobills1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Perhaps Beane asked for a letter of intent from AB and couldn't get it. Just a guess, but in a trade of this magnitude, I think that would be a smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 With all this being said, didn’t Dri Archer do the same thing to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: With all this being said, didn’t Dri Archer do the same thing to us? Wasn't he just a waiver claim though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: Man... now i gotta post the rest of it too?!? On March, 2, 2007, Plummer faxed a letter to the NFL office stating his intention to retire. The next day, the Broncos traded his contractual rights to the Bucs in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2008 draft if he played, or a seventh-rounder if he didn’t. Plummer indeed retired, and the Broncos used the seventh-round draft choice they acquired from Tampa Bay to select fullback Peyton Hillis. The Bucs, in return, are expected to get $3.5 million of Plummer’s signing bonus for a seventh-round pick Conditions conditions conditions... i guess i just kinda thought it was assumed as it was mentioned and the money stuff w the bonuses is the interesting part. And that's how Peyton Hillis, one of the best one hit wonders, got into the NFL... I love the circles of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: Wasn't he just a waiver claim though? I think you may be right there, I can't really remember. Seems like it was so long ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 This is where previous OBD front office staff (BranDoug) were on the ball. You just don’t let the player you traded for out of the building...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. From what Sal said... the Bills were the ones that backed out of the deal because once they got word from AB's agent that there's a chance he might not report...the Bills didn't want the media frenzy. If the trade had went through & AB didn't show, then the Bills would have been screwed. They would have his rights...So if AB wanted to play in the NFL again, he'll have to report. The player doesn't have too much power in this sense... cause you don't make it to the NFL if you don't have a love for the game. Most players will not...just not show up. AB said he wouldn't to scare the Bills & it worked. But if Beane said screw it & still made the deal... I think AB would have reported, got fined, & it would have been a media dumpster fire for months at OBD. I think that was enough for the Bills to back out. Not saying the player had the power... but what team really want to go through all that??? Its a business...at the end of the day. Edited March 9, 2019 by Scorp83 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 4 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: I think you may be right there, I can't really remember. Seems like it was so long ago Yeah Dri Archer did that... the Bills owned his rights for 2 years... then released him. But that was so bad for him...no team picked him up again. Just a bad move on his part. He wasn't even establish in the league yet. 6 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: With all this being said, didn’t Dri Archer do the same thing to us? 6 hours ago, MJS said: Wasn't he just a waiver claim though? Yeah Dri Archer did that... the Bills owned his rights for 2 years... then released him. But that was so bad for him...no team picked him up again. Just a bad move on his part. He wasn't even establish in the league yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Technically teams trade contracts - not players - so if a deal was made in good faith, then there would have to be a clause regarding alternate compensation or reversal. I do not know how common that is. For any player who has manifested diva like traits, I would guess it's pretty common. I would also guess that a conditional clause is also pretty common for players who have had certain kinds of injuries/health issues, that they have to be able to pass the new team's physical. Edited March 9, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) I believe if the negotiations had continued the Bills would have put a clause about him reporting by a certain date. If not then the trade would have been void. But why waste everyone's time if it looks like the player either will not report or would need to be talked in to reporting. I didn't want him here so I am glad it fell through. He's 31 and he is a cancer to the locker room. Let's get players that want to be here and help bring a Super Bowl to Orchard Park. Edited March 9, 2019 by Mark92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 If in the contract it said, "if player doesn't report he MUST attend all home games in a cheerleader outfit I bet his aş§ would of played"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 3:34 PM, BillyWhiteShows said: This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. I'm pretty sure they can't as I remember when we traded for DT Darwin Walker and he failed to report we were stuck with him until we shipped him to the Bears. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I feel like Darwin Walker might know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlezero Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 i was surprised buffalo was even thinking about getting such a drama Queen . i have no idea what buffalo was offering and perhaps we will never know . That being said , i thought what would have been cool or call ABs bluff would have been a poison pill type of trade. Swap 7th rounders this year with a conditional pick next year of a first or second if AB showed and performed. AB wouldnt have to show but i think he would have to mail in his 10 million dollar cheque for deciding to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, singlezero said: i was surprised buffalo was even thinking about getting such a drama Queen . i have no idea what buffalo was offering and perhaps we will never know . That being said , i thought what would have been cool or call ABs bluff would have been a poison pill type of trade. Swap 7th rounders this year with a conditional pick next year of a first or second if AB showed and performed. AB wouldnt have to show but i think he would have to mail in his 10 million dollar cheque for deciding to retire. Your space bar is working. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 4:42 PM, Misterbluesky said: Great question.. I would GUESS every team has one of their attorneys review every contract..at least I would hope they would. Yes but the guy who reviews contracts for Bills has not done a good job in past putting in clauses protecting the Bills. He was NOT a baby dumped with bath water like the coaches, players and scouts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 45 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Yes but the guy who reviews contracts for Bills has not done a good job in past putting in clauses protecting the Bills. He was NOT a baby dumped with bath water like the coaches, players and scouts. Wow..unreal when you 're dealing with tens of millions of dollars.Our last home purchase was around 200k,I made darn sure our attorney reviewed everything including tax evaluations with a fine tooth comb. Sounds like some teams know how to get through loopholes and others don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 6:58 PM, gobills1212 said: Man.. sometimes being a genius and knowing how to use google/wikipedia is a curse.... At least you're not good looking too, that would be REALLY tough, trust me!!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 21 hours ago, BillsSB2020 said: Your space bar is working. Lol, i wlda guessed posting from a flip phone:) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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