Music to my ears...McD on offense

[Watkins101]

He said at least 21 points a game. That means anything below that is a failure. He didnt say he wanted to average 21 points.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Just got ***** and giggles.. If they scored 21 points every game last season they would of won one more game.. 

This is an excellent post and a great point. 

 

McDermott prides himself on every detail, everything has been thought of. 

 

But 21 points in every loss buys the Bills 3 more wins out of 17. 

 

So he says that confidently, but 21 doesn't beat good teams. 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

20 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

He is the Head Coach. On the headset, listening to every play call. He has final say on Game Day, the statement in bold isn't going to fly. 

 

The offense has been atrocious under Beane/McDermott thus far. 

 

So okay, we all accept all the excuses from Year 1 and Year 2. Done. Are we going to get some results in Year 3, or is it too much to ask to climb out of the 30's in offense?

 

 

 

If you think the offense the first 2 years is the offense he "built" then I don't know what to tell you dude.  He clearly didnt build year one, and year 2 was it torn down so it can be built back up.  Honestly do not know how this is confusing to you.

 

Lets say you are a contractor who buys a house to live in while he remodels it for a flip.  When do you analyze the quality of that contractors overall work?

• When he first closes escrow and moves his stuff into the house?
• During the process of the remodel where he has torn most the things out?
• When the house is actually complete and ready to be sold or lived in?

You are obsessed with stages 1 and 2 with no patience to see stage 3.  Got news for you, stages 1 and 2 are always necessary on a remodel just like they are on a rebuild.  Sometimes a coach can enter the picture with part of the rebuild started.  Like when McVay took over the Rams and it had talent on D, its franchise QB already on the roster, and an elite RB to help his offense.  Thats like taking over a house that already had the heavy lifting done and now you just gotta come in and add the amenities.  Much quicker flip, much quicker team rebuild.  

 

McD didnt have that luxury.  And what he and Beane have done in 2 combined seasons is pretty encouraging.  Year 3 (or year 2 for Beane) is now about doing the finishing work to really make the place shine.  And if they don't do a good job, they will be on the hot seat.  But their body of work is not what they did to get here, its what they do NOW that we are ready for this stage.  

Edited February 28, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Lets say you are a contractor who busy a house to live in while you remodel it for a flip.  When do you analyze the quality of that contractors overall work?

• When he first closes escrow and moves his stuff into the house?
• During the process of the remodel where he has torn most the things out?
• When the house is actually complete and ready to be sold or lived in?

You are obsessed with stages 1 and 2 with no patience to see stage 3.  Got news for you, stages 1 and 2 are always necessary on a remodel just like they are on a rebuild.  Sometimes a coach can enter the picture with part of the rebuild started.  Like when McVay took over the Rams and it had talent on D, its franchise QB already on the roster, and an elite RB to help his offense.  Thats like taking over a house that already had the heavy lifting done and now you just gotta come in and add the amenities.  Much quicker flip, much quicker team rebuild.

Can we assume that in this analogy the house they inherited was worth $24.9 million? And after 1 year of work it was worth $18.9M, and after 2 years of work it was worth $16.8M? Here's hoping they break even eventually!

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Can we assume that in this analogy the house they inherited was worth $24.9 million? And after 1 year of work it was worth $18.9M, and after 2 years of work it was worth $16.8M? Here's hoping they break even eventually!

 

Well a house under unfinished construction is gonna be worth less than before it was, so this actually works in the analogy too ha

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

If you think the offense the first 2 years is the offense he "built" then I don't know what to tell you dude.  He clearly didnt build year one, and year 2 was it torn down so it can be built back up.  Honestly do not know how this is confusing to you.

 

Lets say you are a contractor who busy a house to live in while you remodel it for a flip.  When do you analyze the quality of that contractors overall work?

• When he first closes escrow and moves his stuff into the house?
• During the process of the remodel where he has torn most the things out?
• When the house is actually complete and ready to be sold or lived in?

You are obsessed with stages 1 and 2 with no patience to see stage 3.  Got news for you, stages 1 and 2 are always necessary on a remodel just like they are on a rebuild.  Sometimes a coach can enter the picture with part of the rebuild started.  Like when McVay took over the Rams and it had talent on D, its franchise QB already on the roster, and an elite RB to help his offense.  Thats like taking over a house that already had the heavy lifting done and now you just gotta come in and add the amenities.  Much quicker flip, much quicker team rebuild.  

 

McD didnt have that luxury.  And what he and Beane have done in 2 combined seasons is pretty encouraging.  Year 3 (or year 2 for Beane) is now about doing the finishing work to really make the place shine.  And if they don't do a good job, they will be on the hot seat.  But their body of work is not what they did to get here, its what they do NOW that we are ready for this stage.  

He said in his Combine interview yesterday that one of his goals was to be an astute talent evaluator, in addition to teaching the players fundametals, and scheming. He is very much involved in Player Personnel decisions. 

 

It's not confusing to me at all. What is encouraging by the way? A 3-point loss against Jacksonville? That's supposed to go in the Trophy collection, especially after the 6-10 stinker of a season that followed?

 

Beane and McDermott chose to tear down the building. This is professional sports, not a little league team. Only in Buffalo do you get credit for shipping away talent and talking about multi-year rebuilds. After that puff interview with Daboll, they can't use the Josh Allen is young excuse this season. They have cap space, the culture, the picks, the ownership backing and their hand picked QB. 

 

WHEN can fans expect results? When? Yeah, Buffalo fans have no patience, they haven't sat through 20 years of this crap, listening to 5-year plan after rebuild plan after reboot plan, etc. It's always some excuse about continuity, the right culture, patience. The Jets have a new HC, the Dolphins have a new HC. Why can't the winning start this year? 

 

I'm not here to call for Beane or McDermott to get fired, but why isn't the expectation 10 wins and a solid Playoff birth (maybe, gas,p, a win!) this season? Not a soft goal like "competing for a Wildcard". 

 

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

All good, you just doubled down on the same thing.  We can agree to disagree.  Clearly you have a certain narrative of McD and see evidence to fill that.  I see the scope of what he said, how he coached, and everything both he and McD and Beane said and done to believe the 21 point reference is not the meat of what he is saying.  

 

What narrative do I have? That our offenses under McD have been poor and people have concerns over whether he can field a good offense? That’s not me pushing some narrative, it’s reality.

Edited February 28, 2019 by Bangarang

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Why are people ignoring the 'at least' part. He's saying 21 is the least you can score in a game and have a chance to win meaning he wants to score more. 

Cuz it’s what we do here. Basic human survival. Unlike the sun, we ain’t very bright, so our instinct is viewing our sports teams in the same vein as our weather. Perpetually gray.. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

And I want to make a million.

The question is "Over how much time"?

The Bills scored more than 21 points last year...the problem is they didn't average that much every week.

PS:  Billion is the new Million!

[HappyDays]

Why do fans think interviews and press conferences mean anything? They are just throwing crap at the media to meet their quota. They obviously know the offense needs to improve.

[eball]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Why do fans think interviews and press conferences mean anything? They are just throwing crap at the media to meet their quota. They obviously know the offense needs to improve.

 

I felt these particular comments were important -- not because they revealed any secrets, but because they directly address the irrational fear by many fans that McD just wants to grind out low scoring wins and doesn't "understand" what it takes to win in "today's NFL."

[Boca BIlls]

9 hours ago, eball said:

From the combine:

 

“I know my background was defense, but I’m not a defensive coach who wants to win 9-7 every week,” he said. “I don’t think that’s a healthy way to become a legitimate contender and sustain success. We want to be able to score 21 points, at least, every game. You’re doing yourself a disservice if you’re not building your roster and your team to give yourself a legitimate chance to score 21 points. We used to set goals like holding a team under 17 (per game). How many teams do that anymore? Maybe one team per year. You have to be able to score points in this league.”

 

This should put to rest any of the comments I've read on this board that McD doesn't "understand" today's NFL or doesn't get it.

That sucks...  21ppg puts you at 21st ranked offense.

So this actually puts everyone in a state of panic.

 

Edited February 28, 2019 by Boca BIlls

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I felt these particular comments were important -- not because they revealed any secrets, but because they directly address the irrational fear by many fans that McD just wants to grind out low scoring wins and doesn't "understand" what it takes to win in "today's NFL."

 

He did start Nathan Peterman in two straight seasons, genuinely believing that he had "what it takes to win in today's NFL."

[Boca BIlls]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I felt these particular comments were important -- not because they revealed any secrets, but because they directly address the irrational fear by many fans that McD just wants to grind out low scoring wins and doesn't "understand" what it takes to win in "today's NFL."

Except it showed he doesn't know ***** about what it takes to win in todays NFL.

[eball]

17 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He did start Nathan Peterman in two straight seasons, genuinely believing that he had "what it takes to win in today's NFL."

 

Every coach deserves one free indefensible-support-of-a-crappy-player card.  McD used his.

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Every coach deserves one free indefensible-support-of-a-crappy-player card.  McD used his.

You can't play the same card twice though.

[eball]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

You can't play the same card twice though.

 

I'm giving him a pass for 2017.  Didn't know he was that crappy the first time he played him.

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm giving him a pass for 2017.  Didn't know he was that crappy the first time he played him.

Myself and many others did. And besides, even if you give him a pass the first time, he had the knowledge that he was terrible the second time, and refused to see it right in front of his face. I'm very much hoping McD and Beane can find several good players in FA, the draft, and trades, and if they do, this could be a pretty good to very good team. But there is nothing, literally nothing, that would make me bet on it. So far, McD is batting about .113 on offense.

[Delete This Account]

I personally think it's alarming McDermott failed to say "at least 24 points," because it does a big disservice to Hauschka and plays down his ability to hit field goals. I mean, it's a clear shot at the PK, because McDermott is clearly insinuating that the Bills can only score TDs and can't hit field goals.

This is terrible. Just terrible because he's not even paying lip service to his special teams group, which struggled last year, and are now under a new staff.

I'd say it's cause for alarm.

 

jw

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

I personally think it's alarming McDermott failed to say "at least 24 points," because it does a big disservice to Hauschka and plays down his ability to hit field goals. I mean, it's a clear shot at the PK, because McDermott is clearly insinuating that the Bills can only score TDs and can't hit field goals.

This is terrible. Just terrible because he's not even paying lip service to his special teams group, which struggled last year, and are now under a new staff.

I'd say it's cause for alarm.

 

jw

I think he was probably thinking two TDs, a missed extra point, two field goals and a safety.

[Delete This Account]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

I think he was probably thinking two TDs, a missed extra point, two field goals and a safety.

 

Great, now Hauschka's missing extra points.

This is getting worse, because I also don't think any team can rely on getting a safety a game. Name me one team that's done that.

 

If this is true, and nothing suggests it isn't because, after all, this is the interweb, McDermott has lost his mind.

 

jw

 

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I think he was probably thinking two TDs, a missed extra point, two field goals and a safety.

 

If the defense doesn’t score, something is wrong! 

 

I can’t get worked up in the least by these comments. Yes, MORE points. He said AT LEAST 21, so that’s the floor. You can win some games with 21. (We will not win every game... I’m pretty sure.) Hopefully we’re in the 30’s...at least. I’m not going to over-analyze this. To do so is just looking for things to complain about, imo. 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

Great, now Hauschka's missing extra points.

This is getting worse, because I also don't think any team can rely on getting a safety a game. Name me one team that's done that.

 

If this is true, and nothing suggests it isn't because, after all, this is the interweb, McDermott has lost his mind.

 

jw

 

 

I was kidding obviously. I think it's just an oversight and not a slight by him, and that he also thinks, as I do, that with two good legs, Haushcka will be fine this year, and the field goal issues of late last year were an aberration, due to injury, and not a trend due to sucktitude.

 

Now, the return teams and coverage teams is a whole different story. They were awful.  

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

Great, now Hauschka's missing extra points.

This is getting worse, because I also don't think any team can rely on getting a safety a game. Name me one team that's done that.

 

If this is true, and nothing suggests it isn't because, after all, this is the interweb, McDermott has lost his mind.

 

jw

 

 

 

I’m putting that missed PAT on the long snapper, unless the kicker has taken a cheap shot. 

[Delete This Account]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If the defense doesn’t score, something is wrong! 

 

I can’t get worked up in the least by these comments. Yes, MORE points. He said AT LEAST 21, so that’s the floor. You can win some games with 21. (We will not win every game... I’m pretty sure.) Hopefully we’re in the 30’s...at least. I’m not going to over-analyze this. To do so is just looking for things to complain about, imo. 

 

Augie. We're almost into March. March!

The season's right around the corner, well, over there ... and now we need the defense to score every game.

What do you have against Josh Allen?

I think all of us should sit down and parse every word, and over-analyze this. I mean, let's be serious.

 

jw

 

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I was kidding obviously. I think it's just an oversight and not a slight by him, and that he also thinks, as I do, that with two good legs, Haushcka will be fine this year, and the field goal issues of late last year were an aberration, due to injury, and not a trend due to sucktitude.

 

Now, the return teams and coverage teams is a whole different story. They were awful.  

 

Kidding. Kidding?

What's their to kid about Kelly.

The season is like ... checks calendar ... six freaking months away. And they're going to start voluntary workouts in like 6 more weeks. If this doesn't get addressed as soon as possible -- ASAP, as some like to put it -- then the whole thing's doomed.

Absolutely doomed.

 

jw

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m putting that missed PAT on the long snapper, unless the kicker has taken a cheap shot. 

 

Great. So now the Bills have to bring in a second long-snapper.

Watch Beane go out and draft one. He'll probably trade up for him, too, I bet.

 

There goes the season.

Another 17-year drought. I can feel it.

 

jw

[JESSEFEFFER]

4 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Not to pick nits but the OPs quote is not the exact quote and he doesn’t say “at least 21 points”. He straight up says week in and week out you need to score 21 points.

 

It’s in the video 2:12

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-5-takeaways-from-buffalo-bills-hc-sean-mcdermott-at-the-nfl-combine

 

 

Quotes from a press conference vs. an interview with Joe Buscalgia.  Saying something similar, using slightly different words.  Logically, he is not going to stop scoring once they hit 21.  So.......... "at least" or "21 or more" could be inferred from however he chooses to say.it.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

7 hours ago, Perk71 said:

With some of these comments, it sure will be interesting when the BILLS finally win the Superbowl.  You gotta know there will be some negative comments, just because...lol

Go Bills!

I've heard around Pittsburgh: "Yeah but we should have won the game by more!"

Edited February 28, 2019 by 4BillsintheBurgh

[Augie]

1 minute ago, john wawrow said:

 

Augie. We're almost into March. March!

The season's right around the corner, well, over there ... and now we need the defense to score every game.

What do you have against Josh Allen?

I think all of us should sit down and parse every word, and over-analyze this. I mean, let's be serious.

 

jw

 

 

Yes, March is the heart of the football year, which is why we have these critical topics and conversations! Wait, what’s this thread about again? Oh, yeah, I think safeties are hard to come by, but I think a pick six every week is an entirely reasonable expectation!  ?

 

 

I actually don’t remember being this excited in March in a long, long time.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

With Daboll calling the plays I'm more worried about how many points he thinks we need to score/gm on average than McD, who obviously gets it, and did all along as far as I'm concerned. I do think that we are going to see significant improvement on the O this year--how could we not? An established starting going into the year, draft picks that hopefully will make instant impacts, and a couple of key FA pickups that hopefully all coalesce into being competitive week in/week out! 

[Delete This Account]

12 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

 

Quotes from a press conference vs. an interview with Joe Buscalgia.  Saying something similar, using slightly different words.  Logically, he is not going to stop scoring once they hit 21.  So.......... "at least" or "21 or more" could be inferred from however he chooses to say.it.

 

But what if that's exactly what he meant?

They get to 21, and that's it. He puts in the second- and third-stringers.

 

Maybe, one day, they score 17. And the next he stops at 24.

What if they get shut out one week, and now he's gotta score 42 just to make the average.

 

I pretty sure it's especially important on this day ... checks calendar ... Feb. 28, that everything said must be taken seriously and without question.

There's no room for inferringness.

 

jw

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2019 by john wawrow

[MPT]

5 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

and there you go talking about average per game. why reference somebodies stat about how they plugged in JUST 21 into each game when that has nothing to do with what MCD said? when somebody says they wanna score a bare minimum of 21 in every game, just going and inserting 21(and nothing more than that) into every game and seeing how it works out is dumb..... becuz the coach referenced it as a minimum. 

 

whats so hard about this?

 

I was not talking about an average of 21.

 

Let's do some hypotheticals. In the Bills' losses last year, they could have scored 37, 30, 21, 21, 27, 24, 31, 22, 26, and 23. That's at least 21 in each game for an average of 26.2. That puts them at 8-8 (and I'm being generous giving them a win against the Dolphins at 22-21). They still would have missed the playoffs and lost by double digits 3 times. 

 

If, however, McDermott were to say the goal was at least 25 per game, you're now talking about a MINIMUM record of 10-5-1 in those same games.

 

I just think it sets a bad tone when the coach sets the bar so low. Don't basically tell the media your goal every game is to have at least a mediocre offense and hope it works out sometimes. Do you think Belichick has EVER said he wanted to at least score 21 points every game? Absolutely not. That's a low standard and McDermott should know better.

[Stank_Nasty]

5 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

I was not talking about an average of 21.

 

Let's do some hypotheticals. In the Bills' losses last year, they could have scored 37, 30, 21, 21, 27, 24, 31, 22, 26, and 23. That's at least 21 in each game for an average of 26.2. That puts them at 8-8 (and I'm being generous giving them a win against the Dolphins at 22-21). They still would have missed the playoffs and lost by double digits 3 times. 

 

If, however, McDermott were to say the goal was at least 25 per game, you're now talking about a MINIMUM record of 10-5-1 in those same games.

 

I just think it sets a bad tone when the coach sets the bar so low. Don't basically tell the media your goal every game is to have at least a mediocre offense and hope it works out sometimes. Do you think Belichick has EVER said he wanted to at least score 21 points every game? Absolutely not. That's a low standard and McDermott should know better.

which would have been good enough for 10th in the nfl…. this is silly.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Color me astonished that the anti McDermott crowd is at work in this thread.

Edited February 28, 2019 by Joe in Winslow

[MPT]

9 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

which would have been good enough for 10th in the nfl…. this is silly.

 

Well yeah, because that was assuming the Bills hit McDermott's minimum every single week. Teams have bad weeks and don't achieve their goals on offense sometimes, which brings their average down.

 

Your comment only further solidifies my point. You're saying that if the Bills exceed McDermott's stated goal every single week without fail they are still barely scratching a top third offense.

Edited March 1, 2019 by MPT

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Well yeah, because that was assuming the Bills hit McDermott's minimum every single week. Teams have bad weeks and don't achieve their goals on offense sometimes, which brings their average down.

 

Your comment only further solidifies my point. You're saying that if the Bills exceed McDermott's stated goal every single week without fail they are still barely scratching a top third offense.

Nitpicking nonsense.  He is quoted as saying 21 a game minimum and that you have to have good offense to win in the league.  Last year Beane said you have to have a star QB to win.  These guys aren't idiots; they know the NFL and know you have to score points.  Some fans on the other hand.....

 

 

[MPT]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Nitpicking nonsense.  He is quoted as saying 21 a game minimum and that you have to have good offense to win in the league.  Last year Beane said you have to have a star QB to win.  These guys aren't idiots; they know the NFL and know you have to score points.  Some fans on the other hand.....

 

 

 

Read my first post. Scoring a minimum of 21 points a game (and even far exceeding that number in multiple weeks) wouldn't even guarantee a .500 season. So how am I an idiot for wanting to do better than that? 

 

Sorry, I didn't think the idea of scoring enough points to make the playoffs would offend you so much.

[Hebert19]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I'm worried if he still thinks 21 is the magic number. It has to be higher than that now. But in principle, yes, I think he knows you have to score to win.

He said minimum not average.  He wants to score at least 21 every game. 

[Elite Poster]

Practice what you preach coach. Get this kid some weapons. 

 

By the way, earlier today I had a thought in my head, could Tremaine play TE? He's huge and fast haha. 

[MPT]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Color me astonished that the anti McDermott crowd is at work in this thread.

 

You may be astonished to know that some pro-McDermott people think his stated philosophy on scoring is fatally flawed as well. 

[The Senator]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Smokescreen! 10 defensive draft picks coming right up including a Corner at 9!

 

You’re saying that to piss me off! ?

 

I’d have been happier if McD said 41 points...

 

GO BILLSSS!!!!

 

19 and 0 baby!!!!! ??????