Music to my ears...McD on offense

[Stank_Nasty]

2 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Scoring "21 points, at least, every game" implies that they score more than that other times.  Therefore, the average is not 21, it has to be higher.  If you have an offense that scores 21 as a minimum during the season, it's pretty darn good and likely averages closer to 30 than 21.  

 

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Why are people ignoring the 'at least' part. He's saying 21 is the least you can score in a game and have a chance to win meaning he wants to score more. 

right.... it seems there are some people that are having a hard time seeing what he actually said. he's not talking about averaging 21 a game. he's talking about getting 21 at the very least each game.

[MPT]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

 

right.... it seems there are some people that are having a hard time seeing what he actually said. he's not talking about averaging 21 a game. he's talking about getting 21 at the very least each game.

 

I think you're right that some people assumed he meant an average. However, I would still be concerned that his goal is to hit 21 points per game. Yes, that would mean an average over 21. Except the thing is, hitting at least 21 is still a pretty low bar. Someone else already mentioned that we would have only won one more game if we hit that every game. Would have still missed the playoffs.

 

The point is, he needs to set higher expectations for his team and himself.

[John from Riverside]

You dont draft a QB like Josh Allen if you think you need to be run ball dominant and eek out 3 point wins

 

Josh Allen is a thrower of the ball

 

He just needs weapons

[Kelly the Dog]

5 hours ago, eball said:

From the combine:

 

“I know my background was defense, but I’m not a defensive coach who wants to win 9-7 every week,” he said. “I don’t think that’s a healthy way to become a legitimate contender and sustain success. We want to be able to score 21 points, at least, every game. You’re doing yourself a disservice if you’re not building your roster and your team to give yourself a legitimate chance to score 21 points. We used to set goals like holding a team under 17 (per game). How many teams do that anymore? Maybe one team per year. You have to be able to score points in this league.”

 

This should put to rest any of the comments I've read on this board that McD doesn't "understand" today's NFL or doesn't get it.

Hopefully, he is starting to get it. I mean, it took him two years to realize that Peterout was a complete disaster, and it took him his entire NFL career to realize in the middle of last season that "speed" is actually good for an offense. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 hours ago, eball said:

From the combine:

 

“I know my background was defense, but I’m not a defensive coach who wants to win 9-7 every week,” he said. “I don’t think that’s a healthy way to become a legitimate contender and sustain success. We want to be able to score 21 points, at least, every game. You’re doing yourself a disservice if you’re not building your roster and your team to give yourself a legitimate chance to score 21 points. We used to set goals like holding a team under 17 (per game). How many teams do that anymore? Maybe one team per year. You have to be able to score points in this league.”

 

This should put to rest any of the comments I've read on this board that McD doesn't "understand" today's NFL or doesn't get it.

So McDermott wants to win games 21-17?

 

I mean its still buzz-word bingo with him in every press conference. 

 

Its still - 

Continuity, Toughness, Hard Work, Smart, Culture, Process, Cam Newton, Panthers always seem to trickle into every Press Conference he does. 

 

I still think he wants to win with Lunch Pail guys, and that doesn't necessarily include top flight talent. His description of a WR sounds like a possession guy. We'll see, but he has not strayed from ball control, running, toughness, field position. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, eball said:

From the combine:

 

“I know my background was defense, but I’m not a defensive coach who wants to win 9-7 every week,” he said. “I don’t think that’s a healthy way to become a legitimate contender and sustain success. We want to be able to score 21 points, at least, every game. You’re doing yourself a disservice if you’re not building your roster and your team to give yourself a legitimate chance to score 21 points. We used to set goals like holding a team under 17 (per game). How many teams do that anymore? Maybe one team per year. You have to be able to score points in this league.”

 

This should put to rest any of the comments I've read on this board that McD doesn't "understand" today's NFL or doesn't get it.

 

Funny thing is if anyone just watches the games, this was already very very obvious.  There is some weird myth around here that McD is conservative and wants to ground and pound.  Literally never been any truth to that and the evidence is left all over the field every Sunday.  

 

Some people saw what McD had to do when Allen was hurt and DA and NP were stinking the place up and somehow projected that into McD's overall philosophy.  Never understood that.  

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Funny thing is if anyone just watches the games, this was already very very obvious.  There is some weird myth around here that McD is conservative and wants to ground and pound.  Literally never been any truth to that and the evidence is left all over the field every Sunday.  

 

Some people saw what McD had to do when Allen was hurt and DA and NP were stinking the place up and somehow projected that into McD's overall philosophy.  Never understood that.  

How about he went into the season with no WR, no speed at WR, no help for Allen at QB, and virtually no quality OL starters or depth?

[mannc]

14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

How about he went into the season with no WR, no speed at WR, no help for Allen at QB, and virtually no quality OL starters or depth?

And no RB under 30 years old.  And (arguably) no TE. 

[yungmack]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

Dear God, are we really "concerned" because McDermott said 21 because didn't check the stat books before his interview and say a higher number? Are you REALLY concerned by this?  He is saying he knows the offense needs to be better. Simple. 

McD was trying to show he's not a blinkered D guy but that he understands and is committed to offense. Regrettably, using 21 points as his marker suggests he really isn't deeply into the nuts and bolts of the offense as he claims. 

[Stank_Nasty]

40 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

I think you're right that some people assumed he meant an average. However, I would still be concerned that his goal is to hit 21 points per game. Yes, that would mean an average over 21. Except the thing is, hitting at least 21 is still a pretty low bar. Someone else already mentioned that we would have only won one more game if we hit that every game. Would have still missed the playoffs.

 

The point is, he needs to set higher expectations for his team and himself.

and there you go talking about average per game. why reference somebodies stat about how they plugged in JUST 21 into each game when that has nothing to do with what MCD said? when somebody says they wanna score a bare minimum of 21 in every game, just going and inserting 21(and nothing more than that) into every game and seeing how it works out is dumb..... becuz the coach referenced it as a minimum. 

 

whats so hard about this?

Edited February 28, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[Wayne Cubed]

Not to pick nits but the OPs quote is not the exact quote and he doesn’t say “at least 21 points”. He straight up says week in and week out you need to score 21 points.

 

It’s in the video 2:12

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-5-takeaways-from-buffalo-bills-hc-sean-mcdermott-at-the-nfl-combine

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Not to pick nits but the OPs quote is not the exact quote and he doesn’t say “at least 21 points”. He straight up says week in and week out you need to score 21 points.

 

It’s in the video 2:12

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-5-takeaways-from-buffalo-bills-hc-sean-mcdermott-at-the-nfl-combine

well **** !

 

….. this changes everything. 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Just got ***** and giggles.. If they scored 21 points every game last season they would of won one more game.. 

 

Thats not really accurate though saying "won one more game" thing...you realize had our offense not been completely inept through injuries part of the season, we could have held the ball longer, scored more points, and also held the opponent to LESS points.  So there isnt really any accuracy to just saying we only win one more game had we scored 21 points or more each game.

 

7 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Not to pick nits but the OPs quote is not the exact quote and he doesn’t say “at least 21 points”. He straight up says week in and week out you need to score 21 points.

 

It’s in the video 2:12

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-5-takeaways-from-buffalo-bills-hc-sean-mcdermott-at-the-nfl-combine

 

Lets not do the TSW thing here though and over emphasize and over analyze this statement as if he wants to build a 21 point offense.  I mean he isnt going to come out and say we need to average 30.  

 

He is clearly emphasizing the importance of scoring, its not like he has 21 points tattooed on his chest lol.  

 

Edited February 28, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Bangarang]

His actual quote was “you have to be a threat to score 21 points a game”.

 

That amounts to an average at best scoring team. Hooray

[Wayne Cubed]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Thats not really accurate though saying "won one more game" thing...you realize had our offense not been completely inept through injuries part of the season, we could have held the ball longer, scored more points, and also held the opponent to LESS points.  So there isnt really any accuracy to just saying we only win one more game had we scored 21 points or more each game.

 

 

Lets not do the TSW thing here though and over emphasize and over analyze this statement as if he wants to build a 21 point offense.  I mean he isnt going to come out and say we need to average 30.  

 

He is clearly emphasizing the importance of scoring, its not like he has 21 points tattooed on his chest lol.  

 

 

I’m not trying to over analyze and I appreciate he realizes scoring is important, as obvious as a statement that is.... but people are jumping on that he said at least. He didn’t say that.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Bangarang said:

His actual quote was “you have to be a threat to score 21 points a game”.

 

That amounts to an average at best scoring team. Hooray

That's not even scoring 21 a game, that's a "threat to score 21." That's scoring 14 and one overthrow on an open receiver. Low bar indeed.

 

[Bangarang]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

That's not even scoring 21 a game, that's a "threat to score 21." That's scoring 14 and one overthrow on an open receiver. Low bar indeed.

 

 

It essentially amounts to a FG more than we what produced on a per game basis last year. 

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

It essentially amounts to a FG more than we what produced on a per game basis last year. 

A threat to make that FG, with our one-legged kicker.

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I’m not trying to over analyze and I appreciate he realizes scoring is important, as obvious as a statement that is.... but people are jumping on that he said at least. He didn’t say that.

 

Gotcha.  To be fair though, does he really have to say "at least"?  I mean does anyone really think the target is to be right at 21?  He spent the whole time talking about how important scoring is, so just think people are hanging up too much on the 21 and whether or not he said "at least".  

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Gotcha.  To be fair though, does he really have to say "at least"?  I mean does anyone really think the target is to be right at 21?  He spent the whole time talking about how important scoring is, so just think people are hanging up too much on the 21 and whether or not he said "at least".  

 

There have been concerns over McD’s ability to produce a good offense given that his background is all defense. I’m not a HC and I don’t spend 16 hours a day analyzing and studying the game but even I know that when talking about putting up points, 21 per game is just not good enough. 

[vorpma]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not one to be super picky but yes it’s a little odd that the coach isn’t aware of the amount of scoring it takes to win at his job. You don’t find that odd? It’s like a rocket scientist that doesn’t know the distance to the moon.

I lose sleep over this every night and will continue to do so until rectified! What the heck is going on here, this is the ultimate crisis - pile on TBD!

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

There have been concerns over McD’s ability to produce a good offense given that his background is all defense. I’m not a HC and I don’t spend 16 hours a day analyzing and studying the game but even I know that when talking about putting up points, 21 per game is just not good enough. 

You missed your calling, how did the NFL not recognize your unique talents and aptitude!

[John from Riverside]

This nit picking over every single word.......

 

jesus

[Wayne Cubed]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Gotcha.  To be fair though, does he really have to say "at least"?  I mean does anyone really think the target is to be right at 21?  He spent the whole time talking about how important scoring is, so just think people are hanging up too much on the 21 and whether or not he said "at least".  

 

As I said, it's good that he recognizes that scoring points is essential to winning and isn't just relaying on his defense. I just think that if he was in tune with the league and what was going on with offenses around the league he would have used a number like 25 ppg. 25 ppg puts a team top 10 and 9 of the top 10 scoring offenses last year made the playoffs. It's a minor detail but I think shows he's sort of paying attention maybe not fully aware of what offenses around the league are doing.

Edited February 28, 2019 by Wayne Cubed

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

There have been concerns over McD’s ability to produce a good offense given that his background is all defense. I’m not a HC and I don’t spend 16 hours a day analyzing and studying the game but even I know that when talking about putting up points, 21 per game is just not good enough. 

 

But you are seeing what you want to see.  Every comment he made was about how important offense and scoring is, not to mention Beane and McD have repeatedly said stuff like this.  But no coach is going to do something stupid and say my 2nd year QB needs to figure out how to score 30+ a game.  So you are taking the one specific 21 number and twisting it to mean the opposite of what he literally just said to fit the narrative you have on McD.  

 

I think people need to spend more time listening to what people are saying rather than picking a single thing out of a bigger statement and over analyzing it. 

 

10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

As I said, it's good that he recognizes that scoring points is essential to winning and isn't just relaying on his defense. I just think that if he was in tune with the league and what was going on with offenses around the league he would have used a number like 25 ppg. 25 ppg puts a team top 10 and 9 of the top 10 scoring offenses last year made the playoffs. It's a minor detail but I think shows he's sort of paying attention maybe not fully aware of what offenses around the league are doing.

 

Have you considered that he doesn't want to put that kind of pressure on his young QB?  Like I said above, listening to the whole thing is better than over analyzing one part.  

Edited February 28, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, H2o said:

Dear God, are we really "concerned" because McDermott said 21 because didn't check the stat books before his interview and say a higher number? Are you REALLY concerned by this?  He is saying he knows the offense needs to be better. Simple. 

 

 

That's great news.

 

It's his 3rd year in and if he had checked the "stat book" he would know that putting up "at least" 21 ppg was a regular occurrence for years prior...

[Bangarang]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But you are seeing what you want to see.  Every comment he made was about how important offense and scoring is, not to mention Beane and McD have repeatedly said stuff like this.  But no coach is going to do something stupid and say my 2nd year QB needs to figure out how to score 30+ a game.  So you are taking the one specific 21 number and twisting it to mean the opposite of what he literally just said to fit the narrative you have on McD.  

 

I think people need to spend more time listening to what people are saying rather than picking a single thing out of a bigger statement and over analyzing it. 

 

There’s nothing to over analyze. Our HC said we have to be a threat to score 21 points per game in a league where that amount of production is below average. 

 

We averaged under 17 ppg last year. Everyone here knows we need to score more points.

 

McD and BB have stated they want to win championships. That should be the standard set every year and if our 2nd year QB can’t handle the pressure of what it would take to achieve that then he isn’t the guy we want him to be. So yeah, I want my coach to set the bar high and if players can’t handoe then the AAF is looking for players.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

There’s nothing to over analyze. Our HC said we have to be a threat to score 21 points per game in a league where that amount of production is below average. 

 

We averaged under 17 ppg last year. Everyone here knows we need to score more points.

 

McD and BB have stated they want to win championships. That should be the standard set every year and if our 2nd year QB can’t handle the pressure of what it would take to achieve that then he isn’t the guy we want him to be. So yeah, I want my coach to set the bar high and if players can’t handoe then the AAF is looking for players.

 

All good, you just doubled down on the same thing.  We can agree to disagree.  Clearly you have a certain narrative of McD and see evidence to fill that.  I see the scope of what he said, how he coached, and everything both he and McD and Beane said and done to believe the 21 point reference is not the meat of what he is saying.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Gotcha.  To be fair though, does he really have to say "at least"?  I mean does anyone really think the target is to be right at 21?  He spent the whole time talking about how important scoring is, so just think people are hanging up too much on the 21 and whether or not he said "at least".  

Fans who point that out are hung up on the fact that the Bills were 29th in scoring in 2017, 30th in 2018, finished 31st in passing both seasons.

 

So when he throws out a number and talk about the kind of WR he likes, they are looking for something more expansive that the physical, blue-collar run game in snowy Buffalo answer that he gave when he first got here.

 

It's more than fair to pick apart the quotes from a 15-17 Head Coach who has had that kind of offensive output thus far. 

[Turk71]

Now show us that someone in the organization can evaluate wrs, ol, rbs, and tes. Their track record so far is not so good, though they have had limited resources. This year they have the cap to make better choices. I hope they choose wisely.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Fans who point that out are hung up on the fact that the Bills were 29th in scoring in 2017, 30th in 2018, finished 31st in passing both seasons.

 

So when he throws out a number and talk about the kind of WR he likes, they are looking for something more expansive that the physical, blue-collar run game in snowy Buffalo answer that he gave when he first got here.

 

It's more than fair to pick apart the quotes from a 15-17 Head Coach who has had that kind of offensive output thus far. 

 

Its fair to, no doubt.  

 

BUT:  Lets be real on his offensive output.  

 

First year he INHERITED that team and a low scoring starting QB.  He spent a year seeing what was here and not here, and in that exploratory year he found a way to break a 17 year playoff drought that no one expected.  

 

Second year he and Beane understood this team was not ever going to get anywhere significant and we were sitting on what looked to be a very strong QB draft class.  They spent the whole offseason insuring they could get into position to reset the team and find a QB for the future.  They also set their sites on the guy with the biggest ceiling and biggest arm.  You don't go after a QB like that to play conservative football.  Additionally we had to trade an OL (underperforming in terms of his contract and injury issues) and had 2 more retire in all the same offseason, all 3 former pro bowl players.  We had a cap restrictions with dead cap space for them to clean the cap up for our future, and it worked as we have 3rd most this year and the most projected next year.  

 

So lets not mislabel here that this is McD's offense he built last 2 years.  He didnt build the first one, and year 2 was tearing down the old offense going no where so they can find a QB and build a new offense for the future.  I really do not understand how people are confused by this and somehow blame McD for the offense these first 2 years.  

 

[Wayne Cubed]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Its fair to, no doubt.  

 

BUT:  Lets be real on his offensive output.  

 

First year he INHERITED that team and a low scoring starting QB...

 

 

Ummm the 2016 Buffalo Bills average 24.9 ppg and were 10th in the league.... the year before that they averaged 23.8 ppg.

 

McDermott has had offenses average 18.9 and 16.8 points per game.

 

He literally inherited a team that scored more points than he's been able to since being in Buffalo. The one he inherited could put up nearly 25ppg. I think you may need to re look at what he inherited.

Edited February 28, 2019 by Wayne Cubed

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, CommonCents said:

One team averaging 21 ppg made the playoffs. The rest were all over 25 ppg. 

 

25 is the right number, it would get you into the top ten in scoring. For atleast the past two seasons 21 is in the bottom 1/3 of the league. 

 

You’re just excited that he knows he needs to score. I get it.

24 is the magic number. 21 every week gets you 8-8. I'm glad he's starting to realize the offense will be the future for the Bills....

[gobilz]

21 is setting the bar low 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Its fair to, no doubt.  

 

BUT:  Lets be real on his offensive output.  

 

 

So lets not mislabel here that this is McD's offense he built last 2 years.  He didnt build the first one, and year 2 was tearing down the old offense going no where so they can find a QB and build a new offense for the future.  I really do not understand how people are confused by this and somehow blame McD for the offense these first 2 years.  

 

4

Because he got rid of or lost Watkins, Woods, Goodwin and replaced them with Benjamin, Matthews and Kerley. Plus traded up to draft Jones. Got rid of Glenn, and lost Ritchie and Wood, but didn't replace them with anyone. Got rid of Tyrod and replaced him with McCarron who he then got rid of to keep Peterman, the worst QB in history. He did nothing at TE. He signed a terrible OC and had to get rid of him after one year. He signed a terrible OL coach and had to get rid of him after two years. He signed two lousy WR coaches and had to get rid of both of them. He signed a WR to be QB coach and luckily got rid of him. The jury is still out on Daboll and the new guys.

 

The only good thing that has happened in two years on offense is the drafting of Josh, which is something they HAD to do, and perhaps Robert Foster.  It's been a colossal failure so far. Beane surely played a large part but McD is in charge of this team.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

And I want to make a million.

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Ummm the 2016 Buffalo Bills average 24.9 ppg and were 10th in the league.... the year before that they averaged 23.8 ppg.

 

McDermott has had offenses average 18.9 and 16.8 points per game.

 

He literally inherited a team that scored more points than he's been able to since being in Buffalo. The one he inherited could put up nearly 25ppg. I think you may need to re look at what he inherited.

 

So you think he inherited a good offense?  Come on, you cant for a second believe that.  We had a lethal RUN offense, and that diminished for a NUMBER of reasons.  And McD doesn't run the offense anyway.  

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

I'd feel better about this if he said 31 instead

How about 41? Even happier?

51?

 

He is being realistic.

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Smokescreen! 10 defensive draft picks coming right up including a Corner at 9!

I hear they have Bill in NYC announce the pick.

[BillsVet]

26 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Because he got rid of or lost Watkins, Woods, Goodwin and replaced them with Benjamin, Matthews and Kerley. Plus traded up to draft Jones. Got rid of Glenn, and lost Ritchie and Wood, but didn't replace them with anyone. Got rid of Tyrod and replaced him with McCarron who he then got rid of to keep Peterman, the worst QB in history. He did nothing at TE. He signed a terrible OC and had to get rid of him after one year. He signed a terrible OL coach and had to get rid of him after two years. He signed two lousy WR coaches and had to get rid of both of them. He signed a WR to be QB coach and luckily got rid of him. The jury is still out on Daboll and the new guys.

 

The only good thing that has happened in two years on offense is the drafting of Josh, which is something they HAD to do, and perhaps Robert Foster.  It's been a colossal failure so far. Beane surely played a large part but McD is in charge of this team.

 

The UFA signings on the OL have been meh at best. Newhouse, Ducasse, Bodine, not to mention Dawkins perhaps playing a position he's not as suited for.  

 

The drafting of Allen took a lot of resources to move up from 22 to 12 to 7.  It may well work out in the long run, but right now their offense (as a result of the aforementioned decisions) is not encouraging.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So you think he inherited a good offense?  Come on, you cant for a second believe that.  We had a lethal RUN offense, and that diminished for a NUMBER of reasons.  And McD doesn't run the offense anyway.  

 

He is the Head Coach. On the headset, listening to every play call. He has final say on Game Day, the statement in bold isn't going to fly. 

 

The offense has been atrocious under Beane/McDermott thus far. 

 

So okay, we all accept all the excuses from Year 1 and Year 2. Done. Are we going to get some results in Year 3, or is it too much to ask to climb out of the 30's in offense?

 

 

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

Yes, yes it is.  This has always been a franchise (and a fan base) with low standards.

 

well you are the standard bearer