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Robert Kraft charged in prostitution ring bust ( Update: Kraft legal team accused of lying in court)


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4 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

How long before Pats fans  rush in with "All the owners do this!"

Pretty fast!

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/did-bob-kraft-just-get-busted-for-a-prostitution-sting.1147801/page-9

"Jesus, a a billionaire owner gets caught getting a *****. I am sure none of the other 31 owners have ever done anything like this. It’s a misdemeanor.. its an embarrassment. Nothing is going to happen to the team."

 

lol - you called it!

 

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1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

I just think there’s a difference between straight up going to a corner asking for sex and going into a massage parlor where the girls asks you if you want a rub at the end. 

 

But, I am a guy and most likely sexist and narrow-minded 

Well yes, I'm sure if most of us were getting a genuine massage and a hot girl offered a quick flick of the wrist we wouldn't object. But I think it's the trafficking angle that's going to bury him. He'll of course deny any awareness of it but they'll crucify him anyway even if that were true, especially in this day and age.

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Any guy that walks into one of those places knows exactly what the deal is and generally how those girls got there. This isn't a consensual business transaction with some independent online escort or pornstar (though I assume he was heavily involved in that too).  This is akin to the sexpats that go to Thailand to dip into underage slaves. Sadly, he'll only get a slap on the wrist and be on his way. But make no mistake, despite his riches, he is morally bankrupt. 

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1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

I just think there’s a difference between straight up going to a corner asking for sex and going into a massage parlor where the girls asks you if you want a rub at the end. 

 

But, I am a guy and most likely sexist and narrow-minded 

  It's 2019.  I got my doubts as to any true streetwalkers today.  That is why parlors and escort businesses are huge in terms of prostitution.  It also puts the business back in the hands of pimps and madams even if these people don't call themselves that.  Probably host or hostess.

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1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

I just think there’s a difference between straight up going to a corner asking for sex and going into a massage parlor where the girls asks you if you want a rub at the end. 

 

But, I am a guy and most likely sexist and narrow-minded 

 

But he went back a second time. Plus, it'd be a hard sell to argue that a man worth 6.5 billion dollars stumbled into a ***** hole massage parlor and before he knew it she was touching his no-no square. He went there (had a driver take him there) for the act of sexual gratification which he paid for. It's prostitution. 

 

If the girls weren't slaves it's probably not as big a deal, but they were and it is. - at least in my opinion. 

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4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I just think there’s a difference between straight up going to a corner asking for sex and going into a massage parlor where the girls asks you if you want a rub at the end. 

 

But, I am a guy and most likely sexist and narrow-minded 

What if they were illegally brought into the country under false pretenses  and forced to do this as a slave?  There are degrees in this and this situation is among the worst.

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4 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Pretty fast!

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/did-bob-kraft-just-get-busted-for-a-prostitution-sting.1147801/page-9

"Jesus, a a billionaire owner gets caught getting a *****. I am sure none of the other 31 owners have ever done anything like this. It’s a misdemeanor.. its an embarrassment. Nothing is going to happen to the team."

 

lol - you called it!

 

  You do know that Kim Pegula is an owner?

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1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

But he went back a second time. Plus, it'd be a hard sell to argue that a man worth 6.5 billion dollars stumbled into a ***** hole massage parlor and before he knew it she was touching his no-no square. He went there (had a driver take him there) for the act of sexual gratification which he paid for. It's prostitution. 

 

If the girls weren't slaves it's probably not as big a deal, but they were and it is. - at least in my opinion. 

 

He was not the one trafficking the girls...

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15 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

All the stories will come out about how these women are treated, snatched from their homelands etc, forced into drugs etc. That stuff will make the 'dirty old man' story a million times worse and no one will defend him

 

There are probably dozens if not hundreds of these places in your country and mine where this is going on...

 

Lets hope this incident shines a spotlight on this and the women involved get some help..

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4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I mean....I really do not get this at all

 

I have been to Robert Kraft's house....my ex wife worked as a caterer for a event he was holding there......there is NO SHORTAGE of legit hot female targets that were flaunting all over him for obvious reasons.....and he does this?

 

I suppose that's exactly why he does it... he's not turned on by women turned on by his money. He's turned on by women with no strings attached.

 

I wish I had the money to test this theory.

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3 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

He was not the one trafficking the girls...

 

You don't know that for sure (unless you do, if so, please share), for one. and for two: 

 

I've already gone through this multiple times in this thread- that matters legally speaking but it doesn't matter optically speaking and what the outrage machine will (or should) do with it. 

 

The reality is this: If you pay for sex, you're potentially getting it from a slave. He took that risk and he will pay in reputation and likely in career because of that. 

 

More to the point, it's a hard sell to imagine that he went in there and didn't have a single clue. If it was a well run establishment with willing women it would probably not be such a sketchy ass place. 

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Just now, WhyteDwarf said:

 

Secure the border and maybe there will be less trafficking...

 

That's a good first step.

 

Step two would be to make any "johns" arrested for soliciting from trafficked women culpable and criminally liable for the trafficking crime as well ala rico changes with organized crime. Not that that will stop a whole lot, but it'd be much easier to get those jackasses off the street. 

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2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Won't matter if he was aware of it. Trust me, the media will bury him.

 

This will be a huge PR disaster for Kraft, and NE to a certain extent.  I'd think the spa owners will be in more trouble for human trafficking, like jail trouble.

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7 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

What if they were illegally brought into the country under false pretenses  and forced to do this as a slave?  There are degrees in this and this situation is among the worst.

 

As I said in my original post, we don’t have all the facts and there could be two very different realities occurring. 

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1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

I've already gone through this multiple times in this thread- that matters legally speaking but it doesn't matter optically speaking and what the outrage machine will (or should) do with it. 

 

The reality is this: If you pay for sex, you're potentially getting it from a slave. He took that risk and he will pay in reputation and likely in career because of that. 

 

More to the point, it's a hard sell to imagine that he went in there and didn't have a single clue. If it was a well run establishment with willing women it would probably not be such a sketchy ass place. 

Yup. You'd think he'd be smart enough to at least have it checked out first by someone. I mean, it sounds like he was a regular.

 

Maybe he got off on the danger aspect, these things are never completely about sex. The thing is, knowing how the media operates, you can guarantee a long line of women he's paid for over the years will now come forward to tell their stories. Then you'll get the women he's worked with saying he's a sleaze, groper, or has propositioned them inappropriately.

 

They're going to lap this up. And then you'll probably have people coming forward about other high profile sports figures. It'll follow the same pattern as when the Harvey Weinstein story broke.

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Just now, whatdrought said:

 

That's a good first step.

 

Step two would be to make any "johns" arrested for soliciting from trafficked women culpable and criminally liable for the trafficking crime as well ala rico changes with organized crime. Not that that will stop a whole lot, but it'd be much easier to get those jackasses off the street. 

 

Policing against men who pay for sex is kinda like the war on drugs, it's a useless endeavor.  Just collect sex tax.

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2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

That's a good first step.

 

Step two would be to make any "johns" arrested for soliciting from trafficked women culpable and criminally liable for the trafficking crime as well ala rico changes with organized crime. Not that that will stop a whole lot, but it'd be much easier to get those jackasses off the street. 

Best thing to do is legalize it in controlled premises. Make an actual career that cuts out the pimps, requires the women to pay tax etc. Wouldn't 100% solve the problem but would make it a hell of a lot better.

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1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

Policing against men who pay for sex is kinda like the war on drugs, it's a useless endeavor.  Just collect sex tax.

 

We live in a country of piss poor punishment. Everything is a plea deal and community service. Nothing says recidivism like "I had to pay a fine." 

 

I know from a real standpoint it doesn't work, but what about forced castration on men who use trafficked prostitutes? That'd ruffle some feathers. 

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Just now, RochesterRob said:

  This is a huge looming problem for Goodell.

 

The thing is, it shouldn't be.  Goodell fined Jim Irsay $500K and took away draft picks a couple of years ago for prescription drug abuse.  Goodell just has to come up with a punishment that suits the crime for patronizing a spa guilty of human smuggling.  I think the question becomes: did Kraft know about the smuggling?  If he did, the punishment should be even worse.

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3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

We live in a country of piss poor punishment.

 

Only for certain crimes...

 

Oh, and we do have more ppl in prison per capita than any other country.

 

Secure the boarder, legalize drugs and prostitution and tax the ***** out of them.

 

Trafficking will go away.

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11 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Yeah, that one.  Looks like he appeared in Federal court yesterday.

 

Interesting that this is a passing Blip. A Terrorist but Jussie Smollete runs for Days 

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3 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Best thing to do is legalize it in controlled premises. Make an actual career that cuts out the pimps, requires the women to pay tax etc. Wouldn't 100% solve the problem but would make it a hell of a lot better.

  That might satisfy the men in the population but the women especially those who are wives or girlfriends might have a different take on your idea.  If your idea ever goes legal then I want to be there with an online school for divorce and palimony lawyers.

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Just now, RochesterRob said:

  That might satisfy the men in the population but the women especially those who are wives or girlfriends might have a different take on your idea.  If your idea ever goes legal then I want to be there with an online school for divorce and palimony lawyers.

 

Women already own divorce court, so it's covered.

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