Seasons1992 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) Anyone who says differently is a Bills homer who doesn't understand that you can't tell the story of the NFL without Gronk. Gronk>Tony Gonzalez. (respect to Mr. WEO, respectfully.) Edited February 3, 2019 by Seasons1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: Ever see Tony Gonzalez or Shannon Sharpe play? Thank you. Gronk can't hold Gonzo's junk. He has stats like Kellen Winslow and prob gets in 8-10yrs after he retires. Edited February 3, 2019 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) I think he is for a few reasons: -- He's had substantial and impressive playoff stats, so that's added into the consideration -- He's played for 9 years, dominant in all of them, while Terrell Davis only 7, dominant for only 4 -- Crazy as it is, Brady would be the only other Pats offensive player inducted throughout the dynasty (Moss doesn't really count for Pats). Every other "dynasty" team had multiple inductees First ballot Edited February 3, 2019 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: You have to included his post season stats too- which I think help his cause. I’d be hard pressed to think of one I’d pick before him. He’s a monster in nearly anything you’d ask of a TE ...Gates...easy........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, klos63 said: if there's no doubt he should be in the Hall, why wait 3 or 4 years? Because only a certain number get in each year It just means that voters would pick other worthy members who just missed out the year before. Happens ALL the time. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, BfloBillsFan said: Should be a no-brainer IMO. Best TE ever to play. Hope Rams don't put Nickel-Roby on him. I hope they put Roby on him...and he gets away with a hit like he did in the Saints game... Oh wait...patriots never have calls like that go against them. Edited February 3, 2019 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Now that Gronk's career is seemingly coming to an end, there are some that seem to think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Here are his numbers: Year Team Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum Lost 2010 NE 16 11 42 546 13.0 28 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2011 NE 16 16 90 1,326 14.7 52T 17 1 2 2.0 2T 1 0 0 2012 NE 11 11 55 790 14.4 41 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2013 NE 7 6 39 592 15.2 50 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2014 NE 15 10 82 1,124 13.7 46T 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2015 NE 15 15 72 1,176 16.3 76T 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2016 NE 8 6 25 540 21.6 53 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 NE 14 14 69 1,084 15.7 53T 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0 2018 NE 13 13 47 682 14.5 42 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 Career 115 102 521 7,860 15.1 76 79 1 2 2.0 2 1 4 3 There is NO WAY numbers like that equal a first ballot Hall of Famer. NO WAY, especially in this TE pass-happy NFL. This TE pass happy league that the Patriots helped shaped because of Gronk. No question first ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Edited February 3, 2019 by CoudyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 i guess so . don' t really care, frankly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I guess yes. He has been a part of the dynasty for many years. That tips the scales for him, especially if he has a good game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Yes, he has earned first ballot HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Rico said: Absolute no-brainer. Once again as always, don't look at the stats, they are for losers. Look at what he did on the field and most especially look what he did in big games and big moments. That being said, ***** Gronk. His stats better be okay from what I saw happen 2 hours ago, WhoTom said: Ever see Tony Gonzalez or Shannon Sharpe play? Youngsters forget the game was played for a long time before they started watching in 2008..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 First ballot, without question. You know he has 7 fewer TDs than Andre Reed in half the games. And more yards per reception. Amazing the lengths people will go to try, and fail miserably, to undercut anything related to the Pats. This guy, when he's been healthy, has been the most dominate TE in his time in the league, bar none. He stretches the field, runs the middle, dominates the red zone. Just another post blinded by Patriot hate and trying miserably to diminish anyone involved. Guy singlehandedly ate the Bills up and now you're feelings are hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Absolutely a first ballot HoFer. Those numbers are fantastic and don’t take into account that he has also been the best run blocking TE in the game over that stretch too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Gronk is the greatest TE ever. He would have been dominant in any era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, MDH said: Absolutely a first ballot HoFer. Those numbers are fantastic and don’t take into account that he has also been the best run blocking TE in the game over that stretch too. He changed the way the game is played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Gronk is a first ballot douche-nozzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 No question. I'll always think he's a dick for what he did to Tre White, but he's arguably the GOAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 8 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Oh yes. On Pittsburgh television he is not a known cheater. Personally speaking, the Buffalo native part offsets the punk move on Tre White. ***** no. He should not be welcome anywhere in Buffalo. That was a punk move, the worst I've ever seen in a football game. ***** him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Who’s mental deficiency caused us to draft Torell Troup 1 pick before Gronk? Was it Brandon or Nix? Troup was out of football two years later. i wanted Gronk to be a Bill so bad. A polish kid, from Buffalo and Notre Dame? He’d have been loved here. That said, of course he’s an automatic for the HOF. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Yes , best all around TE Basically Mark Bavaro and Tony Gonzalez put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Iron Maiden said: I think he is...One thing the graphic in the op doesn't show is Gronk's ability to block...he is the probably the best blocking TE in NFL history..... also how does that compare to other TEs? I think the OP is hating and is trying to compare WR stats to TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Now that Gronk's career is seemingly coming to an end, there are some that seem to think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Here are his numbers: Year Team Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum Lost 2010 NE 16 11 42 546 13.0 28 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2011 NE 16 16 90 1,326 14.7 52T 17 1 2 2.0 2T 1 0 0 2012 NE 11 11 55 790 14.4 41 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2013 NE 7 6 39 592 15.2 50 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2014 NE 15 10 82 1,124 13.7 46T 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2015 NE 15 15 72 1,176 16.3 76T 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2016 NE 8 6 25 540 21.6 53 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 NE 14 14 69 1,084 15.7 53T 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0 2018 NE 13 13 47 682 14.5 42 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 Career 115 102 521 7,860 15.1 76 79 1 2 2.0 2 1 4 3 There is NO WAY numbers like that equal a first ballot Hall of Famer. NO WAY, especially in this TE pass-happy NFL. Yep no doubt. More debateable question - is he the best TE ever? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Now that Gronk's career is seemingly coming to an end, there are some that seem to think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Here are his numbers: Year Team Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum Lost 2010 NE 16 11 42 546 13.0 28 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2011 NE 16 16 90 1,326 14.7 52T 17 1 2 2.0 2T 1 0 0 2012 NE 11 11 55 790 14.4 41 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2013 NE 7 6 39 592 15.2 50 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2014 NE 15 10 82 1,124 13.7 46T 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2015 NE 15 15 72 1,176 16.3 76T 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2016 NE 8 6 25 540 21.6 53 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 NE 14 14 69 1,084 15.7 53T 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0 2018 NE 13 13 47 682 14.5 42 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 Career 115 102 521 7,860 15.1 76 79 1 2 2.0 2 1 4 3 There is NO WAY numbers like that equal a first ballot Hall of Famer. NO WAY, especially in this TE pass-happy NFL. You’re kidding, right? He is an an absolute lock to be a first ballot hall of game. Other than Brady, he might be the surest hall of famer currently playing. 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Gronk is the greatest TE ever. He would have been dominant in any era. And it’s not really close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, mannc said: You’re kidding, right? He is an an absolute lock to be a first ballot hall of game. Other than Brady, he might be the surest hall of famer currently playing. And it’s not really close. Gronk is a complete TE. Gonzalez was a Big WR. Sharpe was great but not dominant. The only thing that usually shut Gronk down was a gameplan that went a different route and injuries. Darn near unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Gronk is a complete TE. Gonzalez was a Big WR. Sharpe was great but not dominant. The only thing that usually shut Gronk down was a gameplan that went a different route and injuries. Darn near unstoppable. Gronk is easily the best non-QB on the most dominant dynasty in sports history. It hurts to type that, because he is a POS, but it’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 After tonight, Julian Edelman is approaching that mantle......and yes, Gronk is the best TE to ever do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Gronk is easily the best non-QB on the most dominant dynasty in sports history. It hurts to type that, because he is a POS, but it’s true. Yup. Gronk had 5 seasons of double digit TDs in a 9 year career including one with 17. Gonzalez had 3 in a 17 year career. Sharpe 2 in 14. Im glad we dont have to have him go against us for 14 years let alone 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Yup. Gronk had 5 seasons of double digit TDs in a 9 year career including one with 17. Gonzalez had 3 in a 17 year career. Sharpe 2 in 14. Im glad we dont have to have him go against us for 14 years let alone 17. If you really want to throw up, just look at Gronk’s playoff stats. Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 If I'm voting, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, mannc said: If you really want to throw up, just look at Gronk’s playoff stats. Sickening. This is a depressing night. I said the Rams D would dominate NE. True Isaid the patriots would only score 3 in the first half. True I said Brady would fumble. True The Rams didnt win, Brady didnt through that second pick, and Gurley couldnt win the MVP sitting on the bench for the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, The Senator said: Who’s mental deficiency caused us to draft Torell Troup 1 pick before Gronk? Was it Brandon or Nix? Troup was out of football two years later. i wanted Gronk to be a Bill so bad. A polish kid, from Buffalo and Notre Dame? He’d have been loved here. That said, of course he’s an automatic for the HOF. . He was often on the nightly sportscasts in Buffalo as a local phenom in high school and college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 He is. Even though he's a total steak head db... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Gronk giving a great interview on NFL network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 11 hours ago, aristocrat said: If terell Davis is with the short career so is gronk Excellent point, I was leaning towards no until I read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, The Senator said: Who’s mental deficiency caused us to draft Torell Troup 1 pick before Gronk? Was it Brandon or Nix? Troup was out of football two years later. i wanted Gronk to be a Bill so bad. A polish kid, from Buffalo and Notre Dame? He’d have been loved here. That said, of course he’s an automatic for the HOF. . Arizona, not Notre Dame. I believe Marv was the GM when he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) Who is committed to throw up cash that he is 1st ballot HOF'er? I'll play all day that he is not. Let's go 5K like that one weirdo that bet a game against the Bills n lost with the stupid spread, LMFAO Edited February 4, 2019 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Gronk should and will get into the HOF, but I don't think he should be a first ballot hall of famer. Some people questioned whether even Tony Gonzales should be a first ballot guy or not, and compare his stats to Gronk's: Tony Gronk Years 17 9 RECs 1,325 521 YDs 15, 127 7,860 TDs 111 79 They each had four seasons with more than 1,000 yards. But Tony had 13 seasons with 850+ yards, while Gronk had just those same 4. Tony had 14, what I would call, elite seasons. Gronk had 5. Now, of course, Tony did indeed get in on his first ballot, but first ballot should be reserved for sustained numbers like his. Plus Gronk didn't innovate the TE position in any way. That had already happened with guys like Gonzales and Gates. So, as great as Gronk has been when healthy, he should be a vote or two behind guys like Tony. First ballot is for the best of all time type of guys. I don't think Gronk quite reaches that status due to his overall numbers and injury issues. Definitely a HOFer, just not first ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, folz said: Gronk should and will get into the HOF, but I don't think he should be a first ballot hall of famer. Some people questioned whether even Tony Gonzales should be a first ballot guy or not, and compare his stats to Gronk's: Tony Gronk Years 17 9 RECs 1,325 521 YDs 15, 127 7,860 TDs 111 79 They each had four seasons with more than 1,000 yards. But Tony had 13 seasons with 850+ yards, while Gronk had just those same 4. Tony had 14, what I would call, elite seasons. Gronk had 5. Now, of course, Tony did indeed get in on his first ballot, but first ballot should be reserved for sustained numbers like his. Plus Gronk didn't innovate the TE position in any way. That had already happened with guys like Gonzales and Gates. So, as great as Gronk has been when healthy, he should be a vote or two behind guys like Tony. First ballot is for the best of all time type of guys. I don't think Gronk quite reaches that status due to his overall numbers and injury issues. Definitely a HOFer, just not first ballot. But those TD's for Gronk... that's impressive. And the championships. Edited February 4, 2019 by klos63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, klos63 said: But those TD's for Gronk... that's impressive. And the championships. Yes, the TD numbers are impressive for Gronk, no doubt (he had 17 in one season), and championships always help...but I think championships are such a team-based thing for non-QBs. But, just to give a little more perspective: Tony Gonzales is 2nd all time in NFL history for receptions (for all receivers, not just TEs), only one spot behind Jerry Rice. Gronk is tied for 130th in receptions. Tony G is 6th all time in receiving yards (again, all receivers), while Gronk is 104th. First ballot should be for guys with all-time numbers. Edited February 4, 2019 by folz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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