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1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

So the NFL has already de facto blackballed the guy.  Does that mean if he gets drafted he could be looking at an immediate suspension?  For actions not even taken while in the NFL?

No, it’s aligned to a relatively recent rule where they don’t invite DV offenders to the combine. It could affect his draft stock, that’s the “consequence” 

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2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

So the NFL has already de facto blackballed the guy.  Does that mean if he gets drafted he could be looking at an immediate suspension?  For actions not even taken while in the NFL?

IIRC correctly Mixon wasn’t invited to the combine either but didn’t face any penalties once entering the league.

 

The punishment is not being given a chance to improve his draft stock. 

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2 hours ago, wppete said:

What was the incident???

 

 

He was video taped punching out a girl between high school graduation and matriculating in college.  By all accounts, he has turned over a new leaf, has been a model student at college, and is known for his volunteer work.

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4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No, it’s aligned to a relatively recent rule where they don’t invite DV offenders to the combine. It could affect his draft stock, that’s the “consequence” 

 

Interesting. I did not realize they had such a rule. I approve. 

 

I see that Mixon was not invited to the combine either. It really becomes a matter of teams seeking to do individual work on him and seeing if he can be trusted. I don't think the incident, thought horrible, should keep him from the NFL, but he must show that he has grown past that. The fact of the matter is that the NFL is not the law of the land. They're not responsible for what these guys have done in the past, they're responsible for making sure that they don't empower, enable, or excuse any behavior while these guys are wearing their colors. 

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2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Wow, video is shocking...and way worse than Rice and Hunt put together.  

 

However...if life was about having one mistake as a kid define who you are, then it would be a f-ed up world full of losers.  Many people cant understand the world some of these kids come from where violence is often all they know.  I am not in any way condoning what he did, the video is astonishing really.  However, should a mistake while a teenager take everything away from you for the rest of your life?  Especially when you make amends and put the hard and dedicated work in to change and be a better person?

 

Reading the article about his redemption certainly shows what this kid has done, how he has grown, etc.  Who we are is kids is never who we are as adults.  We all made mistakes in high school, some worse than others.  What I see is a young man who seems to have made the changes in his life to become a better person and has earned his second chance.  And I think teams will see that on draft night.  Could it impact his draft slot, sure, but I don't think it will because it is so long ago and he's worked hard to become who he is today.  

 

All true though the situation is a very difficult one for the NFL. They can’t be seen as condoning violence against women.  

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Believe this DV rule issued in FEB 2016 also kept Tyreek Hill out of Combine in 2016.  And he dropped to 5th RD!

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2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

But is that long haired NT on the left invited to the combine?

That's Star, hes already on the team. 

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I'd like to see the full video from the beginning and know the back story before passing judgment. 

 

I read that the girl attacked his sister and he was trying to break it up and the other girl wouldn't stop. My opinion would hinge largely on what started the fight and what this girl did to his sister. He clearly didn't unload on her because she got up a few seconds later. If he was throwing with full force she'd have been out. It's noteworthy that immediately after that he stopped the other girl (his sister?) from continuing to punch her.

 

There's a huge distinction between hitting a girl who's attacking your sister & laying out your wife for mouthing off.

 

And if recent events have taught us anything, it's that context matters.

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39 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

He was video taped punching out a girl between high school graduation and matriculating in college.  By all accounts, he has turned over a new leaf, has been a model student at college, and is known for his volunteer work.

"matriculating" ?

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32 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I'd like to see the full video from the beginning and know the back story before passing judgment. 

 

I read that the girl attacked his sister and he was trying to break it up and the other girl wouldn't stop. My opinion would hinge largely on what started the fight and what this girl did to his sister. He clearly didn't unload on her because she got up a few seconds later. If he was throwing with full force she'd have been out. It's noteworthy that immediately after that he stopped the other girl (his sister?) from continuing to punch her.

 

There's a huge distinction between hitting a girl who's attacking your sister & laying out your wife for mouthing off.

 

And if recent events have taught us anything, it's that context matters.

Doesn't matter if she killed his family. Screw context. You never hit a woman lest ye be banished for life. Sarc off. It was totally out of line to hit the girl when she was down, but the woman doesn't appear to be an angel. She was also charged in the incident for what it's worth. Where he really effed up is hitting her more than once when she was on the ground, but he did gain control of his emotions enough to go back into break it up mode. That was apparently his initial role. He was charged with a crime, as he should have been. At what point is enough enough when it comes to demonizing an 18 y/o for life?

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I think it was an egregious decision to hit the woman, no question.  We don’t know the context of the situation and we don’t know if the woman was an innocent victim, a clear offender or somewhere in between.  

 

His behavior is certainly something to consider, but if we were all banned from making a life for something we did at 18, many of us would be in terrible trouble.  How many here could say that they have never done anything illegal ?  How many have never driven when they had too much to drink or were high?  How many have never said or done something they were not proud of?

 

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1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

I'd like to see the full video from the beginning and know the back story before passing judgment. 

 

I read that the girl attacked his sister and he was trying to break it up and the other girl wouldn't stop. My opinion would hinge largely on what started the fight and what this girl did to his sister. He clearly didn't unload on her because she got up a few seconds later. If he was throwing with full force she'd have been out. It's noteworthy that immediately after that he stopped the other girl (his sister?) from continuing to punch her.

 

There's a huge distinction between hitting a girl who's attacking your sister & laying out your wife for mouthing off.

 

And if recent events have taught us anything, it's that context matters.

I'm pretty sure the woman started brawling with his mother not his sister.

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2 hours ago, CommonCents said:

IIRC correctly Mixon wasn’t invited to the combine either but didn’t face any penalties once entering the league.

 

The punishment is not being given a chance to improve his draft stock. 

They can still do pro days I assume, correct? 

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13 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

They can still do pro days I assume, correct? 

Yes. Mixon even had a pro day and his incident occurred after he began his career at Okla.

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5 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

See Josh Allen. 

While I understand what you are saying, one mistake in high school, the two acts are not remotely close.  However, I think I agree with the premise.

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3 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

"matriculating" ?

I assume he had been accepted, but was not yet signed up for classes.  Is that better?

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6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Wow, video is shocking...and way worse than Rice and Hunt put together.  

 

However...if life was about having one mistake as a kid define who you are, then it would be a f-ed up world full of losers.  Many people cant understand the world some of these kids come from where violence is often all they know.  I am not in any way condoning what he did, the video is astonishing really.  However, should a mistake while a teenager take everything away from you for the rest of your life?  Especially when you make amends and put the hard and dedicated work in to change and be a better person?

 

Reading the article about his redemption certainly shows what this kid has done, how he has grown, etc.  Who we are is kids is never who we are as adults.  We all made mistakes in high school, some worse than others.  What I see is a young man who seems to have made the changes in his life to become a better person and has earned his second chance.  And I think teams will see that on draft night.  Could it impact his draft slot, sure, but I don't think it will because it is so long ago and he's worked hard to become who he is today.  

 

well said, esp the part I bolded.  In NO WAY does it excuse what he did, or get him off the hook for any penalties he faced at the time.  But if he was charged (and he should have been) and he did his time, he should have a chance to redeem himself.    

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6 hours ago, offyourocker said:

what's that a woman or a walrus?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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We are not talking about an immature tweet.  This guy, kid, whatever....BEAT a female.  That is unacceptable at ANY age.  No one should draft him.  Wasn't there a newer NFL rule that if you draft a player like this, who has proven legal troubles, and he gets in legal issues while in the NFL, that the team that drafted him would be fined or lose future draft picks?

 

 

....unless this woman truly was threatening his or his family's life.

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I am usually a pretty hard case on these things but at the same time, I do believe in redemption. And I don't think playing in the NFL is a privilege, it is a job, one that you can only get by working your tail off and having a boat load of talent. NFL jobs are not given away like lottery tickets. The glory and the money is well earned, every penny. Apart from this incident, this crime, this player has done the work and demonstrated the talent that typically results in a shot at an NFL roster. The question is whether he should be barred from work because of his crime. I wouldn't blame any NFL team for passing on him as not worth the risk but if there is a team willing to give him a shot at redemption, that is between the player and the team. 

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I hope I'm not stepping out of line here, but it's kind of interesting that this was charged as a simple assault(which is nothing) as opposed to a DV, which is a HUGE DEAL. Is it REALLY that much worse if it's in the house? On a personal note, I got into a fight with my brother and the cops were called. I was charged with DV, which was dismissed because my brother wanted no part of that nonsense. Nevertheless, the charge of DV remains on my record. A female prospective employer is obviously going to assume I hit a woman. Personal rant over. 

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