BuffaloButt Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The OT rule needs to change giving the other team an opportunity to match a TD scored. Falcons & Chiefs both lost due to a fricken coin toss! 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Lol, Na. Play better defense. Make a stop. Both the chiefs and falcons LOST BECAUAE THEY COUDNT MAKE A STOP. BOTH THE CHIEFS AND FALCONS HAD OVER 90 PLAYS RAN ON THEM. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) They just have to change it to when the team I’m cheering for takes the lead, then the game is over They get a million chances until they take the lead then the game is over and I win Edited January 21, 2019 by row_33 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Cmdjr85 said: Lol, Na. Play better defense. Make a stop. Exactly. How many 3rd and long conversions did the Chiefs give up on that drive? At least 3 I can recall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, H2o said: Exactly. How many 3rd and long conversions did the Chiefs give up on that drive? At least 3 I can recall. 3 and then 3 runs up the gut for 20 plus to cinch it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 You are correct. The team I want should clearly win! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Augie said: You are correct. The team I want should clearly win! The old way it was less than one percent favour to the coin toss winner taking the W, sometimes with multiple possessions but fans have a cognitive disorder that makes them think it was 90 percent of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, BuffaloButt said: The OT rule needs to change giving the other team an opportunity to match a TD scored. Falcons & Chiefs both lost due to a fricken coin toss! Agreed. Maybe not in the regular season, but definitely in the playoffs. The new rule was created in a lower scoring environment out of concern that the winner of the coin toss would have too great an advantage because new era kickers could easily hit a 55 yarder: take possession at the 25, gain 37 yards, kick a FG, game over. Now that offenses score - and score touchdowns - at a significantly greater rate than even a few years ago, the coin toss is again becoming too great a factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The NFL needs to adopt the NCAA Overtime rules. Way more entertaining and is fair for both teams. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said: Lol, Na. Play better defense. Make a stop. Both the chiefs and falcons LOST BECAUAE THEY COUDNT MAKE A STOP. BOTH THE CHIEFS AND FALCONS HAD OVER 90 PLAYS RAN ON THEM. Unless I'm mistaken, on the overtime drive the Chiefs D failed to stop the Pats at least 3 times on 3rd and around 10. I prefer the straight-up sudden death OT rules of the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 One AFL title game the coin toss winner gave away the ball and the wind and still won we will kick to the clock... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Same goes for TSW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, wppete said: The NFL needs to adopt the NCAA Overtime rules. Way more entertaining and is fair for both teams. An abominable gimmick made worse by counting all the TDs into regulation stats Edited January 21, 2019 by row_33 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I really don't see any reason why - in the playoffs - we don't simply play it NBA or soccer style and add on a normal 15 minute period. The chances of a tie after the additional period are low enough that it would probably resolve 80-90% of ties without anyone whining about "fairness." It can't be unfair because it's just a continuation of the same game with the same rules, not based on something random like which side a coin lands on. If it's tied after the additional period, well, that's when some other rule more arbitrary rule can come into play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, wppete said: The NFL needs to adopt the NCAA Overtime rules. Way more entertaining and is fair for both teams. Yeah but what if my team doesn't play well on their first possession resulting in a punt or turn over on downs? Do I then get to piss and moan and demand that the 15 minute OT period be completed? After all I'm going to be super pissed if my team doesn't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I like traffic lights, but only when they are green 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Nope. Stop them from going 75 yards Stop 3rd and longs. Nothing wrong with the rule. Kcs defence needed just to just make 1 more play and they couldn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Ok, the rule needs to be changed to match TD's until Brady retires, then it can stay how it is now!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 29 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said: Lol, Na. Play better defense. Make a stop. Both the chiefs and falcons LOST BECAUAE THEY COUDNT MAKE A STOP. BOTH THE CHIEFS AND FALCONS HAD OVER 90 PLAYS RAN ON THEM. Exactly! Defenses and special teams are part of the team too. No wonder the Patriots captains yelled "WE WANT THE BALL" with the Chiefs' mix of awesome offense and horrible defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I really don't see any reason why - in the playoffs - we don't simply play it NBA or soccer style and add on a normal 15 minute period. The chances of a tie after the additional period are low enough that it would probably resolve 80-90% of ties without anyone whining about "fairness." It can't be unfair because it's just a continuation of the same game with the same rules, not based on something random like which side a coin lands on. If it's tied after the additional period, well, that's when some other rule more arbitrary rule can come into play. You’ll have someone complain they got the ball one less time that the team that won the toss. So, a simple fix would be two 8min overtimes where each team has a chance to lead with the ball. At the end of the 2nd OT, the score is final. The coin flip would be to see who gets their chance first or second. If its still tied, do it all over again Edited January 21, 2019 by mrags 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Defense matters. No defense, no super bowl. Chiefs defense didn’t make a play. Chiefs went home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 https://www.theringer.com/2017/2/6/16042116/nfl-overtime-rules-super-bowl-li-patriots-falcons-62316a6f8e3c Now almost 2 years old, but this study showed that ever since the NFL's new OT system was introduced, the team winning the OT coin toss wins the game 54.8 percent of the time. That's not terrible, but it still probably gives more of an advantage to a random event than most of us would like to see. And I suspect it's getting worse - as offenses become more dominant, the percentage of drives resulting in a touchdown (and hence a sudden death) is going up. So it's time to revisit the rule. And while I'm not happy it benefited the Pats (again) today (as it did in the Super Bowl a couple years ago), this is not about sour grapes. It's about trying to ensure as even a playing field as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 If you watched the Chiefs all year, outside of that one playoff game against the Colts they had to win every game in a shootout. Well, defense might not mean much in the modern NFL, but it sure as hell means something in overtime when you lose the coin toss. Chiefs used all their available cap space and draft capital on one side of the ball and paid the price today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, row_33 said: The old way it was less than one percent favour to the coin toss winner taking the W, sometimes with multiple possessions but fans have a cognitive disorder that makes them think it was 90 percent of the time Pretty sure that the numbers showed that as making long FG's became commonplace the coin toss winner became more relevant. Still doesn't sway me. Play defense or win in regulation if your defense sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, FrenchConnection said: If you watched the Chiefs all year, outside of that one playoff game against the Colts they had to win every game in a shootout. Well, defense might not mean much in the modern NFL, but it sure as hell means something in overtime when you lose the coin toss. Chiefs used all their available cap space and draft capital on one side of the ball and paid the price today. Shoulda drafted Tre White last year and passed on Mahomes! ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Shoulda drafted Tre White last year and passed on Mahomes! ? Ha! But maybe it was not such a good idea to spend all your free agent money on Sammy Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 There’s nothing wrong with the rule . Wasn’t there an analysis that showed that winning the coin toss did not result in an advantage? Like a number of posters said , the Chiefs lost because fhey couldn’t make a stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Unless I'm mistaken, on the overtime drive the Chiefs D failed to stop the Pats at least 3 times on 3rd and around 10. I prefer the straight-up sudden death OT rules of the past. what are you talking about? it was a 15 minute OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 It was unfair for the Chiefs since the defenses are usually gassed by this point. If KC had won the toss, they most likely would have won. BTW, I searched for the two threads last month about this very same topic (OT rules need to be changed), and they weren't in the results. I tried every word, like "OT", "rules", and "overtime". I would have been the one to start this thread if I had enough posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I do agree both teams should get the ball once. Teams win and lose games, not half of a team. And when Pats won the coin toss, they got to put their best unit (offense) on the field against the Chiefs worst unit (defense). And with a TD, Chiefs don’t get the same opportunity to put their best unit (offense) against Pats worst unit (defense). So is it really fair that a coin decides how much of an advantage or disadvantage each team has in a game this important? Shame Mahomes doesn’t get a chance to dual Brady in OT after such a great game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The only good thing is now I get to see the Rams pummel the Patriots. They are favored by 1 point. If it had been the Chiefs, they would have been favored by 3 over the Rams. So the Rams get to play the weaker team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I do agree both teams should get the ball once. Teams win and lose games, not half of a team. And when Pats won the coin toss, they got to put their best unit (offense) on the field against the Chiefs worst unit (defense). And with a TD, Chiefs don’t get the same opportunity to put their best unit (offense) against Pats worst unit (defense). So is it really fair that a coin decides how much of an advantage or disadvantage each team has in a game this important? Shame Mahomes doesn’t get a chance to dual Brady in OT after such a great game. It was less than a one percent advantage for the winner of the coin toss under the sudden death years It’s just that fans whine all the time and think it was a 90 percent advantage Just like fans whine all the time that all the calls go against their team when they even out almost always Edited January 21, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Stop crying. The rule is absolutely fine. Play defense or you don't deserve to get the ball back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Stop crying. The rule is absolutely fine. Play defense or you don't deserve to get the ball back. It’s a bit more “fair” under this rule, but there was never an advantage on the sudden death method Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: what are you talking about? it was a 15 minute OT. Current rules are sudden death if first score is a TD or first score is a safety or first offensive drive isn't a score. Prior to that it was first score wins. Everyone got their panties in a bunch over the one-drive-long-FG wins and got nutty about the coin flip winning the game. I think you may be right about a true 15 minute OT at one point, but that would have pre-dated the two above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Some of y'all are ridiculous. The NFL continues year after year to make rules that favor the offense bc they like high scoring games. Then they say in OT that if you don't want us to win then stop us. You can't have it both ways. Each offense should get an opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) If your defense can play it's almost better to kick in OT, make a 3 and out stop then all you need is a FG with decent field position Rule is fine as it is.. Chiefs defense just stinks Edited January 21, 2019 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: It was less than a one percent advantage for the winner of the coin toss under the sudden death years It’s just that fans whine all the time and think it was a 90 percent advantage Just like fans whine all the time that all the calls go against their team when they even out almost always You didn’t actually discuss anything I just said though. You’re just whining about people you perceive to be whining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, BuffaloButt said: The OT rule needs to change giving the other team an opportunity to match a TD scored. Falcons & Chiefs both lost due to a fricken coin toss! Nah. The Chiefs lost because their defensive scheme sucked, and they couldn't execute when it mattered. The Chiefs lost because their LBs are not good enough in any phase. The Chiefs lost because their offense was M.I.A. In the first half. What they need to be given is a DE who doesn't line up in the damn neutral zone and wipe out a game clinching INT (I know his POP WARNER coach taught him and the other kids how to line up correctly his first year playing football). So what the Patriots won the coin toss? That's a coin toss, not game play. Chiefs had every opportunity to not lose that game. If you want something to change hope the rules are changed to give the defense an opportunity to play football too. Edited January 21, 2019 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, wppete said: The NFL needs to adopt the NCAA Overtime rules. Way more entertaining and is fair for both teams. Seems too gimicky to me and it runs up the score making betting the over/under problematic. Plus, the record books for scoring would be skewed. I think the easy fix to this is for each team to get a posession and have the chance to tie each other (like the Chiefs could've answered the Pats TD with a TD of their own). Sudden death after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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