GreggTX Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 He's a DE and we already have 3 fairly good ones on the roster. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Bills biggest 4 needs are OT,OG,Edge, WR, TE. I would be happy spend all 10 picks on those positions, especially if they are BPA Lorenzo all done after next year. So SAM is very much in play IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 2:39 PM, Royale with Cheese said: I would say it's more than likely that we go defense. More defensive talent in the top 10 and we will be drafting BPA and not for need. Gotta agree with this. If we stick to the top 10 pick were going de/dt. If we trade back i could see us grabbing an OL prospect in the 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, GreggTX said: He's a DE and we already have 3 fairly good ones on the roster. Makes no sense. He will be a DT in the NFL. 25 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Gotta agree with this. If we stick to the top 10 pick were going de/dt. If we trade back i could see us grabbing an OL prospect in the 1st I’m starting to believe we grab one of the Iowa TEs in the first. We will know more after free agency though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, billspro said: He will be a DT in the NFL. I’m starting to believe we grab one of the Iowa TEs in the first. We will know more after free agency though. I challenge you to find any mock draft that has a any TE going Top 10 unless you're assuming we trade down to the very late first round. Any mock other than yours of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I challenge you to find any mock draft that has a any TE going Top 10 unless you're assuming we trade down to the very late first round. Any mock other than yours of course. Did you not see Daniel Jeremiah’s mock today? I am also projecting both of those guys will be fast risers after the combine. Edited January 19, 2019 by billspro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, billspro said: Did you not see Daniel Jeremiah’s mock today? I am also projecting both of those guys will be fast risers after the combine. Wow! I stand corrected my good man. Don't agree with it but hey, challenge accepted and achieved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 hours ago, GreggTX said: I don't think Phillips was all that great as a rookie. He wasn't terrible, but I think we can do better without breaking the budget and a beast of a DT wouldn't hurt us any with our perennially poor run defense. Perhaps...but I did specifically say the logic is stupid. "They have to draft Kyle Williams' replacement" when they already have is particularly blithering idiocy from a purported draft authority that should know they already have, whether successfully or not. And Kyle Williams wasn't all that great as a rookie, either. Kyle got as good as he is by working to constantly improve. There's a little too much focus on talent and need in draft prognostication, and more than a few draft rooms as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 4:40 AM, Buff76ers said: If that’s the case he needs to rethink it. He knows we drafted Harrison Phillips last year and are trying to resign Jordan Phillips. We must go O in the first. We'll fill in the offence in FA. When the draft comes along we'll be going BPA, as we should. We have needs on D as well as on O. How would you feel if we go O in the first at #9 and he plays like a #20 pick, which is where he should have gone? That's what happened with Donte Whitner. Picked too high and was treated as an underachiever for the rest of his career here when the fault was the Bills for picking him too high. Ideally we would go offence. But if there's no guy there worth the pick on O - and that's how it maybe looks - it would be crazy to force it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's all pointless, it's a message board. But let's hope they don't draft for need.........that's how you get Shaq and Ragnuts..........get players you think can be great over players you think can start. The problem there wasn't so much drafting for need. It was drafting poorly. But yeah, go for talent. Don't reach. Edited January 19, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 ...LOL....Brylcream Mel.........we need a replay of his 1994 hissy fit vs Tobin over the Dilfer pick.........McBeane vs Mel........popcorn time...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WideRightRevenge Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 23 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get that, but Kiper is also especially bad at that and even worse this early in the process. He’s a blow hard who pushes his ideas that are almost always wrong. Case in point, two guys he had is taking went 30th and 5th round. And while Hurst going 5th round due to a medical issue discovered during combine is a rare occurrence that made the discrepancy so big, it’s also evidence of why pre combine mocks have little reliable info. I will also admit I find anything from Kiper as worthless, so I have a negative biased about anything he says out the gate. He’s a blow hard who is wrong like 95% of the time on everyone and everything but gets paid a ton to keep blowing, hard. Lol I hear you ... but you have to give credit where credit is due .. he carved out a niche and has made a ton of money off it .. so regardless .. he's the "draft guru" whether we agree or not ... he does however spout decent info on players he's picking .. again you can agree or disagree .. he at least provides detail on certain players .. that I know nothing about ... Long Live Mel .. though his hair is struggling of late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, WideRightRevenge said: I hear you ... but you have to give credit where credit is due .. he carved out a niche and has made a ton of money off it .. so regardless .. he's the "draft guru" whether we agree or not ... he does however spout decent info on players he's picking .. again you can agree or disagree .. he at least provides detail on certain players .. that I know nothing about ... Long Live Mel .. though his hair is struggling of late. He’s not my favorite draft guy but I’ve come to enjoy his ESPN radio show on sat mornings with Dari Noka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: He’s not my favorite draft guy but I’ve come to enjoy his ESPN radio show on sat mornings with Dari Noka. Agreed .. my favorite draft guy was Mayock ... but now he's with Chuckie .. so not sure what NFL network will do in his absense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 18 hours ago, GreggTX said: He's a DE and we already have 3 fairly good ones on the roster. Makes no sense. This sounds a lot like what people were saying when a few of us were pushing Aaron Donald as the Bills pick. Wasn't an immediate area of need. Best non-QB in football the past few seasons though. 20 sacks from DT this year......amazing. In a couple years it's more than likely that 2 of Hughes, Shaq and Murphy will be gone........you don't draft early to patch holes this year.......but for impact players at hard to fill spots 2-3 years down the line. I loved the Allen and Edmunds picks but let's remember we graded them on a curve. Edmunds graded poorly and was particularly abused by veteran QB's and Allen threw more pics than TD's. Without the "rookie curve" they were pretty bad. Next year McD needs to win so don't be surprised by early picks of guys who will not be thrust into every down roles where they can be exploited like Allen and Edmunds. I don't expect them to make the same mistake as Rex/Whaley did trying to just get low-ceiling, off-the-bus starters. A high ceiling rotational pass rusher is very reasonable investment. Pass rushers are only trumped by QB's in importance. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I would be furious if the Bills took Gary. Total reach at 9. I'm all about pass rushers/defensive lineman who PRODUCE. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I would hate going defense. Either need to go OLine or Reciever. Yes Kyle Williams is gone but at the very least I expect us to have 3 good DTs next year with both Jordan, Star, and Harrison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 1/17/2019 at 2:41 PM, Happy Gilmore said: Can he be moved to edge rusher? A sub 300 lb DT...seems kind of small. He wouldn’t actually be “moved” to edge rusher... that’s what he played in college (Strong side DE). But is a better fit at DT/3 Tech in the NFL. He could maybe play at DE in a 3-4. But he’s not a pure edge rusher. He would sometimes get pulled for a pure “pass rusher” at UM but played SDE. As a 4-3 DE in the NFL, he doesn’t have innate skills to win 1v1 (like Bosa). Basically Gary played a hybrid contain role in a rough front that had pieces moving. He played on the end of the DL and did rush the passer, but not on every play. Also, from a stats perspective, he can’t be compared to some DEs on DLs that were very aggressive (like OSU). UM blitzes a ton, which required the DL to be more under control. He was basically a “more free” Ed Oliver. One thing that stood out was how much more productive their pass rusher Chase Winovich was when Gary played vs when he did not. Edited January 20, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 1/17/2019 at 5:27 PM, bigduke6 said: as an Ohio St. fan nothing Gary did made me go, Wow, id love for him to be a Bill. rather use this offseason to build a dominant offensive line. sure DT is a hole, O-line is more important right now imo. He had a very good game vs us in 2017 as I recall. Hurst had the best day. No one really got near the QB this year despite our OL issues, but I think both Gary and winovich were playing hurt. we had way more problems with the sparty DL. Edited January 20, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 I think the bottom line on why the draft analysts have him so high, despite not having huge production, is that college stats can sometimes be misleading toward how they will produce in the NFL, looking at which position they will play and the traits that they have for that position. I do think he will light up the combine. I am not advocating for the Bills to take him, over say Ed Oliver or Jawaan Taylor, etc. just looking at it objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) I will say if want a less hyped version of Gary later, and don’t want to drop a top 10 pick on a 3 tech look for Dre’Mont Jones out of OSU. Could possibly be there at top of the 2nd. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Edited January 20, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 11:30 AM, njbuff said: Here we go with the 8,678,654,925 mocks even before the combine. I guess they should be discussing the Bills game this week instead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill from NYC Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 12:03 PM, BADOLBILZ said: A high ceiling rotational pass rusher is very reasonable investment. Pass rushers are only trumped by QB's in importance. Any thoughts on Montez Sweat from Miss. St.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: personally love it but I'm sure NFL guys will have questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I thought we drafted Williams replacement last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Sorry I haven't read the last 5 pages so if its a repeat ... my bad https://www.buffalobills.com/news/mock-draft-watch-1-0 Mel Kiper No. 9 – Rashan Gary, DT, Michigan Matt Miller No. 9 – Jonah Williams, T, Alabama Steve Palazzolo No. 9 – Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State Dane Brugler No. 9 – Ed Oliver, DT, Houston Dan Kadar No. 9 – Cody Ford, T, Oklahoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) RANK 4 Rashan Gary, Edge School: Michigan | Year: Junior Gary is a freak. He has a unique blend of size, speed, explosiveness and power. Unfortunately, it doesn't always translate to production. As a pass rusher, he has a dynamic get-off and flashes the power to bull through OTs with only one arm extended. However, he lacks complementary moves and stalls at the top of his rush far too often. Against the run, he destroys TEs on the edge with pure strength and power. However, he will bury his head and fail to locate the football at times. His athleticism is on display in coverage, where I've seen him run and mirror slot receivers. There are some concerns about his durability after he missed time with injuries. Overall, Gary is more of an athlete than football player at this time, but the upside is off the charts and his effort is exceptional. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001012558/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft-10 Daniel Jeremiah’s 4th overall player in the draft Edited January 22, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Who the hell is Mel Kiper ? Some one needs to go back & look at this picks of the past to see exactly how good he is at his speculation of how good these players will be now that would be a show worth watching !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 7:08 PM, billspro said: He will be a DT in the NFL. I’m starting to believe we grab one of the Iowa TEs in the first. We will know more after free agency though. Really? A TE in the 1st? Over and OL or DT. Whats ur logic there breh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Really? A TE in the 1st? Over and OL or DT. Whats ur logic there breh Well obviously OL is our number 1 need. I don’t see an OL worth a top ten pick in this draft. Although, Dillard might be worth a top ten pick. We will see how he performs at the Senior Bowl. TE is probably the second biggest hole on the roster. A good TE is more valuable to this offence than a good WR imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I'd much rather have C Ferrell who I view as a more prototypical DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Seeing how these guys draft I could absolutely see it. In 2018 when they traded up for that second 1st round pick they passed on a legit weapon for their newly drafted QB in Ridley, and selected linebacker instead. Not saying Edmunds is not good, but it shows me where their priorities are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Can't people wait and see who the Bills will sign in FA before creating mocks. I'd say create a FA mock before creating a draft mock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 1:34 PM, Buff76ers said: Top 5 D and bottom on Offense but Kiper thinks D is where we should spend our 1st pick. Dude sucks. I'll cry if we go defense in the 1st round... Having the 2nd overall defense, and the 30th overall offense SHOULD make it obvious which side of the ball needs the most work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, billspro said: Well obviously OL is our number 1 need. I don’t see an OL worth a top ten pick in this draft. Although, Dillard might be worth a top ten pick. We will see how he performs at the Senior Bowl. TE is probably the second biggest hole on the roster. A good TE is more valuable to this offence than a good WR imo. Thats an interesting take breh. Well see how FA shakes out but they might just rock with croom and a late round te like we did with O Leary. As important as a shiny TE is, JA got hurt last year and right now he is the teams #1 investment. Beane isnt dumb im sure hes grabbing an OL in rounds 1 or 2 whether he trades up or down. Gotta protect the investment the franchise. Edited January 25, 2019 by FearLess Price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, FearLess Price said: Thats an interesting take breh. Well see how FA shakes out but they might just rock with croom and a late round te like we did with O Leary. As important as a shiny TE is, JA got hurt last year and right now he is the teams #1 investment. Beane isnt dumb im sure hes grabbing an OL in rounds 1 or 2 whether he trades up or down. Gotta protect the investment the franchise. would be nice for the big investment to have a quality pass catching TE to throw to ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakersBills Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Oliver or josh Allen or trade down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Pussies. Told you so. Pussies. Easy to see. ?????????????❤??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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