JESSEFEFFER Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 We often talk about the "eye test" and my "eye test" assessment of Josh is he has done things in ways that I have never seen from a QB prior to him. The hurdle play for instance. Never seen it over a mostly upright defender who happens to be 6'5". The throw to Zay Jones in the back of the end zone that Josh makes off his back leg but without his front leg planted. That is a jump pass off of a rollout that goes 30+ yards. That's the throw a SS makes from the hole to second base but his throw is a blur of a football. The stiff arms of defenders who can't even get their hands on his torso, let alone make a tackle. Defenders do not run him down from behind. It's one thing to say a player is athletic. It's another to put together dozens of plays from only 11 games of action that fall into the realm of "never seen it done like that before." He even manages to run QB sneaks in ways that stand out. So I think Baldinger's statement about being more athletic than every other NFL QB is spot on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 hours ago, Limeaid said: Jim Kelly was good enough to be recruited to play LB and LBU (Pittsburgh) but choose to go to University of Miami (North Cuba) because he wanted to play QB. He was not a running QB but could move well enough to dodge players until knee injuries. Assuming this is at Line Backer U, that's Penn State not Pitt. JoePa wanted him to play LB, Jim said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 16 hours ago, K-9 said: That's just not a true statement. And people never talked about Brady, Manning, or Brees' athleticism because they possess none (Brady, Manning) or very little (Brees). Commentators have been noting Rodgers's athleticism for a long time. A guy named Russell Wilson too. He's a good passer, or so I hear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 As a poster mentioned earlier, Allen basically carried this offense on his back when he came back from injury. AS A ROOKIE QB. Allen should be going in for back surgery this off season for how much he carried the offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The White Mike Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 18 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Umm everybody talker about Rodgers athleticism for the first 10 years of his career ... he was the best at scrambling outside the pocket and creating a play downfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 18 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? You know it's only a matter of time before the Michael Jordan of the NFL shows up. A guy who can pass as good as Brady, Brees and Rodgers but has wheels like Mike Vick. Not Saying Allen will be that guy but a guy like that will come around eventually. And Allen isn't a running QB. He's a QB that can run. And he can run at an efficiency we've perhaps never seen before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 17 hours ago, Augie said: Don’t take it AWAY, but curtail it to a significant degree. I almost threw up a few times as he got bent backwards taking hits downfield. The guy must have Gumby knees! Be smart....QB first and foremost, run as the rare exception. I don't think that was the case really. Most of the hits he took were inside the red zone I thought. Looking to try to score. Maybe earlier in the season he took a lot of hits outside the red zone? But it seemed like after the bye he was gaining huge chunks of yards with ease and just as easily sliding and giving himself up early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 16 hours ago, WideNine said: All watching that did at first was piss me off as I watched play after play where Miller and Mills slowly evolved out of their stances, managed to get tangled up with each other blocking/holding the same guy while other pass rushers blew by them. Miller was horrifying, and at least Boettger when they finally made the switch seemed to lock onto his guy, moved his feet, and sometimes got some push which allowed Mills to focus solely on not getting beat on the outside every play. Against the Fins (I know - the run for the bus was on) they almost looked respectable in pass-pro. The kid grew over the season with the playing time he received, needs a bit more support around him to really shine and settle into his role but I think we have a keeper. That was the theme of the video. Watching olineman get burnt and have pressure on the QB before 2 seconds. They could have been replaced by a pylon in a few of those clips. It’s actually amazing what Allen did with that supporting cast. Most of those guys will be out of the NFL next season. 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: You know it's only a matter of time before the Michael Jordan of the NFL shows up. A guy who can pass as good as Brady, Brees and Rodgers but has wheels like Mike Vick. Not Saying Allen will be that guy but a guy like that will come around eventually. And Allen isn't a running QB. He's a QB that can run. And he can run at an efficiency we've perhaps never seen before. I hope he is, that would be amazing. He has a chance to be that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I don't think that was the case really. Most of the hits he took were inside the red zone I thought. Looking to try to score. Maybe earlier in the season he took a lot of hits outside the red zone? But it seemed like after the bye he was gaining huge chunks of yards with ease and just as easily sliding and giving himself up early. I still remember the sensation of my stomach contents rising. He got better about sliding or running OB, but there were several instances where he got bent backward awkwardly in the second half of the season. I was thrilled to see him get up each time......but all it takes is once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Augie said: I still remember the sensation of my stomach contents rising. He got better about sliding or running OB, but there were several instances where he got bent backward awkwardly in the second half of the season. I was thrilled to see him get up each time......but all it takes is once. To put it simply he did slide more in the back half of the season in the front half he jumped over a guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Baldy is right. He's one of the most athletic qbs in the NFL. The video just validated the kind of pressure he was under. He'll have an improved oline this fall. He won't have to run as often. But it sure is comforting to know when he does it could be for huge yardage. The obsession over his accuracy will die down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 It is just pure fun to think about how much better next year may be. If JA continues to progress and stay healthy it might just be a very fun season in Buffalo for the first time in a very long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: It is just pure fun to think about how much better next year may be. If JA continues to progress and stay healthy it might just be a very fun season in Buffalo for the first time in a very long time. We gotta get him a line, and at least one of those WR who come back for the ball consistently and catch everything thrown near them like, oh, I don't know, about every WR on every team still playing last weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We gotta get him a line, and at least one of those WR who come back for the ball consistently and catch everything thrown near them like, oh, I don't know, about every WR on every team still playing last weekend. He needs his Tanner Gentry type player that he had at Wyoming. A guy that when he scrambles avoiding defenders and starts pointing down field he is able to somehow connect with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 7:14 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: And in fact one of Baldy's first examples is JA hanging tough in the pocket for a 45 yd pass play to Foster when he's about to get gob-smacked into a sandwich. Very reminiscent of Jim Kelly Tough. Brady and Manning aren't/weren't. Brees....he doesn't tuck it and run much but he's one hella slippery little mutha to tackle. I don't remember what game it was but i'm pretty sure Brees juked a LB to score or put him on the spin cycle, Bress is underrated when it comes to athleticism 17 minutes ago, Warcodered said: He needs his Tanner Gentry type player that he had at Wyoming. A guy that when he scrambles avoiding defenders and starts pointing down field he is able to somehow connect with. I think Foster can be that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 How can any bills fan watch that and not get pumped for next year? Josh was a one man show (well him and Robert foster). Get josh some protection and some playmakers and watch his development. Josh, and that video has me more hopeful for next season than any bills team since the 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 And the Award for Best Non-Supporting Actor goes to ........... ..................................... John Miller!.................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 7:08 PM, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? What about Mahomes? Russell Wilson? Cam Newton? Deshaun Watson? They seem pretty athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We gotta get him a line, and at least one of those WR who come back for the ball consistently and catch everything thrown near them like, oh, I don't know, about every WR on every team still playing last weekend. I saw a number of WRs who came back for the ball and caught it before line of scrimmage and then attempted to make yards. This is something which was criticized extensively by the experts on TBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 8:05 AM, hemma said: And the Award for Best Non-Supporting Actor goes to ........... ..................................... John Miller!.................................... I wonder if there are any advanced metrics on failure to block d-line stunts. it seemed like there were a bunch during the season and usually preceded a Josh Allen scramble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) On 1/15/2019 at 9:08 AM, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Packers fans and Aaron Rodgers himself? "Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers says he wants to play until 40 without losing any of his athletic ability. 'My goal is to be able to move like I do or close to how I do and still be able to do that at 40 … just because nobody’s been able to do that and still move around the same,' Rodgers told King ..." https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=kuxBXODIJMXk-Aaz6K2QCA&q=aaron+rodgers+athleticism&btnK=Google+Search&oq=aaron+rodgers+athleticism&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2198.7596..8229...1.0..0.128.2320.22j4......0....1..gws-wiz.....6..35i39j0j0i10j0i22i30j0i8i13i30j0i13i30j33i21j33i160.8_sVYITTfBY Hell, even Brady talks about Rodgers that way. "'Well I think he does things that no one in the league has ever done or can do, just because of his physical ability. And some of the plays he makes, they're just phenomenal,' Brady said. 'And I've seen a lot of them. Not just the throws, the scrambles, he had one in the Giants game ... some of the plays yesterday, it's just his style of play. And he's been doing that for a while. I always love watching his tape, admiring all the things he can do, because I can't do many of those things.'" https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-gushes-over-aaron-rodgers-i-cant-do-many-of-those-things/ And of course they don't talk about the other three you picked as athletic, because they're not especially athletic. But Rodgers really is. And gets talked about that way. As did Steve Young. As do Russell Wilson, Marcus Mariota and Andrew Luck. It's not code for anything but being athletic. And yeah, some people say Allen's got problems in the passing game. But they don't need to use code to do it. Hopefully he'll develop out of it. Edited January 18, 2019 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 7:47 PM, billsfan1959 said: Actually, Rogers’ athleticism is frequently talked about. The other three, while having elite pocket presence, don’t have a level of athleticism worth talking about. Brees' athleticism is also an asset. Only Brady and Manning are the prototypical "statues" who are just so good mentally and mechanically they get away with their lack of athleticism. Anyway, the post you responded to was a dumb one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 7:08 PM, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Pretty much... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Athletic quarterbacks are awesome. Being athletic doesn't preclude you from throwing like Peyton Manning. Show em how it's done Pat Mahomes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 It's nice having elite athletes on your team, but I just wish we had an elite QB instead. I just hope he can find a way to get better accuracy from his throwing arm to go along with his arm strength. I've never seen that done, though. Maybe Josh will be the first ever. Arm accuracy is something that you either wake up with or you don't. Can Josh Allen be the exception to the rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 If Josh Allen can develop his passing game to a level of Matt Ryan, I think he will win a few SB's for us in the near future. Can you imagine how unstoppable Matt Ryan would be with Allens athleticism. This all depends on how we draft and do in FA but if Allen can develop quickly we have a small chance to be that team that comes out of nowhere and win it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 On January 16, 2019 at 8:24 PM, Jeetz1231 said: I don't remember what game it was but i'm pretty sure Brees juked a LB to score or put him on the spin cycle, Bress is underrated when it comes to athleticism I think Foster can be that guy. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in a while. See Chad Pennington too as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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