ESPN article says Bills would "obviously trade Allen, Edmunds and White for Mahomes

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Josh Allen will not be great like Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is a true superstar QB.

[oldmanfan]

First time I've watched the kid.  He obviously has talent but also made a lot of young QB errors.  Held onto the ball too long leading to sacks, airmailed some passes.   The talent is there though as shown in the second half.

[racketmaster]

Nobody is going to be able to legitimately argue Allen is a better quarterback than Mahomes right now but remember that this time last year the world knew very little about Patrick Mahomes. So Mahomes looks to be a star right now but who is to say that Allen can't also become an elite qb. Allen certainly has as much arm talent and athleticism at Mahomes does. They both seem to love playing the game and have a sense of joy while on the field. I don't follow Mahomes in terms of leadership and off the field drive but it seems Allen has those attributes as well. So why can't Allen become a league sensation next year? Allen got more experience than Mahomes did as a rookie and began to hit his stride late in the season. If the Bills surround Allen with some more weapons, Allen may very well also become a star. We just don't know yet as it is so early in both of their careers but maybe they both end up being great quarterbacks. 

 

All I know is Allen seems to be a great fit for Buffalo and Mahomes has been a great fit for KC. So maybe this is where they were both meant to be and I choose not to look back. If Allen played all year like he did the first 6 games then I might be more envious of KC, but the way Allen played down the stretch has got me extremely optimistic for the future of the Bills. 

[Jrb1979]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

First time I've watched the kid.  He obviously has talent but also made a lot of young QB errors.  Held onto the ball too long leading to sacks, airmailed some passes.   The talent is there though as shown in the second half.

I am guessing you only watch the Bills. KC was in the Sunday night game a few times this year. To not have seen him play is crazy. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, racketmaster said:

Nobody is going to be able to legitimately argue Allen is a better quarterback than Mahomes right now but remember that this time last year the world knew very little about Patrick Mahomes. So Mahomes looks to be a star right now but who is to say that Allen can't also become an elite qb. Allen certainly has as much arm talent and athleticism at Mahomes does. They both seem to love playing the game and have a sense of joy while on the field. I don't follow Mahomes in terms of leadership and off the field drive but it seems Allen has those attributes as well. So why can't Allen become a league sensation next year? Allen got more experience than Mahomes did as a rookie and began to hit his stride late in the season. If the Bills surround Allen with some more weapons, Allen may very well also become a star. We just don't know yet as it is so early in both of their careers but maybe they both end up being great quarterbacks. 

 

All I know is Allen seems to be a great fit for Buffalo and Mahomes has been a great fit for KC. So maybe this is where they were both meant to be and I choose not to look back. If Allen played all year like he did the first 6 games then I might be more envious of KC, but the way Allen played down the stretch has got me extremely optimistic for the future of the Bills. 

Good take. 

 

People keep forgetting that an honest appraisal of Allen after his rookie year would show that he was a better QB then what Mahmes showed after his rookie season.  Now the main reason for that was that Allen got the opportunity to play most of his rookie season and Mahomes did not but the conclusion remains the same:  Allen in his rookie year showed more then Mahomes did in his, particularly in Allen's last 6 games.

 

Now do I think Allen will match Mahomes in his 2nd year?  No I don't because I don't see any way that the Bills can replicate the offensive talent that Mahomes had at his disposal.  However I do believe that at the end of next year Allen will not be very far behind Mahomes in his QB play.  And I suspect that absent injury these two will be slugging it out over the next 10 years to see who is the best QB in the AFC (along with Sam Dranold).  

[oldmanfan]

56 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I am guessing you only watch the Bills. KC was in the Sunday night game a few times this year. To not have seen him play is crazy. 

 

57 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I am guessing you only watch the Bills. KC was in the Sunday night game a few times this year. To not have seen him play is crazy. 

True.  I generally just watch the Bills now; at my age it's hard to stay up for those Sunday night games!

[C.Biscuit97]

26 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Good take. 

 

People keep forgetting that an honest appraisal of Allen after his rookie year would show that he was a better QB then what Mahmes showed after his rookie season.  Now the main reason for that was that Allen got the opportunity to play most of his rookie season and Mahomes did not but the conclusion remains the same:  Allen in his rookie year showed more then Mahomes did in his, particularly in Allen's last 6 games.

 

Now do I think Allen will match Mahomes in his 2nd year?  No I don't because I don't see any way that the Bills can replicate the offensive talent that Mahomes had at his disposal.  However I do believe that at the end of next year Allen will not be very far behind Mahomes in his QB play.  And I suspect that absent injury these two will be slugging it out over the next 10 years to see who is the best QB in the AFC (along with Sam Dranold).  

In his one start as a rookie, Mahomes threw for more yards than any of Allen’s starts this year.

 

lets just hope Allen because he’s a legit franchise qb where we don’t have to keep making excuses for his 52% completion %.  But if any other fanbase saw this thread, they would think we are lunatics.  A guy in his second year, with the 2nd worst defense in the nfl, went toe to toe with the greatest ever in a championship game.  

[CincyBillsFan]

9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

In his one start as a rookie, Mahomes threw for more yards than any of Allen’s starts this year.

 

lets just hope Allen because he’s a legit franchise qb where we don’t have to keep making excuses for his 52% completion %.  But if any other fanbase saw this thread, they would think we are lunatics.  A guy in his second year, with the 2nd worst defense in the nfl, went toe to toe with the greatest ever in a championship game.  

A bit selective in the stats there C.Biscuit.  Let's look at Mahomes full stats for that 2017 game:

 

22 - 34 - 284 yards - 0 TDs - 1 INT

7 carries for 10 yards, no TD's

 

Not bad but nothing to write home about either, particularly given the talent around Mahomes in that last game in 2017.  I would argue that Allen had at least 4 games with TOTAL stats equal to or better then that. 

 

I agree that other fan bases would look at this thread and all the other Mahomes threads on a Buffalo Bills message board and think we're lunatics but not for the reason you think.  They would think it's nuts that so many Bills fans obsess over Mahomes.  They would wonder why 2 years after the 2017 draft we are still crying about not taking Mahomes or even weirder fantasizing about what might have been if Mahones was wearing a Bills uniform.

 

And I say again that if I had a choice between exchanging Allen for Mahomes OR keeping Allen and getting Hill & Kelce I would keep Allen & take Kelce/Hill in a heartbeat. 

[LSHMEAB]

25 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

 

I agree that other fan bases would look at this thread and all the other Mahomes threads on a Buffalo Bills message board and think we're lunatics but not for the reason you think.  They would think it's nuts that so many Bills fans obsess over Mahomes.  They would wonder why 2 years after the 2017 draft we are still crying about not taking Mahomes or even weirder fantasizing about what might have been if Mahones was wearing a Bills uniform.

 

Eh, I think it'd be about 90% crazy for comparing Allen to Mahomes and 10% move on from the 2017 draft. Allen simply hasn't proven it yet, so other fanbases would view it as big time homerism. Doesn't mean the homers can't be right.

 

  20 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Zero points in the entire first half

 

You either make plays or you don't. He didn't until it was already too late 

 

We've seen this movie before

I can't wait to watch the movie where our second year QB puts up 31 in the AFC Championship game. Now that would be awesome both because it would mean the Bills had regained relevance for the first time in 25 years AND people wouldn't pretend like the Chiefs quarterback wasn't exceptional. I would love for Mahomes to become the "yeah, that would be cool" but Allen lead us to the playoffs so no biggie guy. As a matter of fact, I would love for this board to only mention his name in passing. You know what'll make that happen? Josh Allen having a good/great second season.

Edited January 22, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[CodeMonkey]

On 1/10/2019 at 11:17 AM, Southern Bills Fan said:

If the Bills had evaluated Mahomes and thought he could end up looking anything like the guy who has ripped apart the NFL this season, they obviously would have taken him with their first-round pick. Instead, they sent the 10th selection to the Chiefs for the 27th and 91st selections, along with Kansas City's 2018 first-round pick, which ended up as the 22nd pick. The Bills drafted star cornerback Tre'Davious White with Kansas City's 2017 first-rounder, and then used the other two picks in trades that eventually netted them Zay Jones and Tremaine Edmunds. Sean McDermott undoubtedly loves his two defensive building blocks, and the Bills believe that Josh Allen, their other first-rounder in 2018, can turn into a viable starter, but they would undoubtedly trade all three for Mahomes in a heartbeat.

 

 

I don't think that I would. Thoughts? BTW the article crushes the Bills over Gilmore as well.

If the Bills were given a do-over, knowing what they know now,  I would expect them to take Mahomes.

[row_33]

I would give up almost anything to obtain Mahomes.

 

but that is all over with now, only the future to look forward to with a lot of potential in Allen.

 

[MDH]

On 1/21/2019 at 8:26 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

They would think it's nuts that so many Bills fans obsess over Mahomes.   

 

They would think that until someone reminded them that the Bills traded out of the spot where KC selected Mahomes and then they'd say, "oh, right. Ouch."

 

I know, because I've had this exact conversation with other fans on countless occasions.

 

Any fanbase that has been looking for a QB for 20+ years and traded out of the very spot, with the very team that selected the single greatest 1st year starter in the history of the league would be asking "what if?" just like Bills' fans are. Only the fans who consistently berate other fans for being "negative" despite 20 years of futility think it strange that Bills fans are upset the Bills didn't take him (or Watson for that matter.)

 

The only thing that will make Bills fans forget about Mahomes is if Allen turns out to be as (or almost as) productive as Mahomes. If he does, the Bills made out. If he doesn't, it was a big mistake.

 

6 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

If the Bills were given a do-over, knowing what they know now,  I would expect them to take Mahomes.

 

If there was a do over, knowing what we know now, Mahomes would be the #1 pick in the draft and the Bills would have no shot at taking him. I don't blame the Bills for not knowing just how good he'd be, but for not knowing he was very much worth the #10 pick in the draft when they were desperate for a QB.

[CincyBillsFan]

12 hours ago, MDH said:

 

They would think that until someone reminded them that the Bills traded out of the spot where KC selected Mahomes and then they'd say, "oh, right. Ouch."

 

I know, because I've had this exact conversation with other fans on countless occasions.

 

Any fanbase that has been looking for a QB for 20+ years and traded out of the very spot, with the very team that selected the single greatest 1st year starter in the history of the league would be asking "what if?" just like Bills' fans are. Only the fans who consistently berate other fans for being "negative" despite 20 years of futility think it strange that Bills fans are upset the Bills didn't take him (or Watson for that matter.)

 

The only thing that will make Bills fans forget about Mahomes is if Allen turns out to be as (or almost as) productive as Mahomes. If he does, the Bills made out. If he doesn't, it was a big mistake.

 

If there was a do over, knowing what we know now, Mahomes would be the #1 pick in the draft and the Bills would have no shot at taking him. I don't blame the Bills for not knowing just how good he'd be, but for not knowing he was very much worth the #10 pick in the draft when they were desperate for a QB.

 

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a topic of discussion I'm saying that in my somewhat limited experience visiting other NFL message boards and living in another NFL city the obsession shown over the Bills not selecting Mahomes seems excessive.  I mean how many threads are we going to have on this topic?

 

And it's true that Mahomes would have been the #1 pick back in 2017 if they knew then what we know today BUT you can say that about EVERY draft.  I mean just off the top of my head I bet McCaffrey would have been picked ahead of Forenette if they knew in 2017 what we know today about both RB's.  And I bet the Bengals would have picked anyone BUT WR Jon Ross at #9 knowing what they do today. 

Edited January 23, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[row_33]

15 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said:

 

 

Yep. Too bad McDumbass didn't just draft the kid when we had the chance.

 

That's the Bills

 

built the "dynasty" with very good but not elite Kelly, Thurman and Andre

 

better that way...

 

 

[CookieG]

29 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a topic of discussion I'm saying that in my somewhat limited experience visiting other NFL message boards and living in another NFL city the obsession shown over the Bills not selecting Mahomes seems excessive.  I mean how many threads are we going to have on this topic?

 

And it's true that Mahomes would have been the #1 pick back in 2017 if they knew then what we know today BUT you can say that about EVERY draft.  I mean just off the top of my head I bet McCaffrey would have been picked ahead of Forenette if they knew in 2017 what we know today about both RB's.  And I bet the Bengals would have picked anyone BUT WR Jon Ross at #9 knowing what they do today. 

Some things you don't get over easily. As a kid, I grew up in the just post AFL Championship years.  Every time the Raiders were on TV, which was often...my father, an older brother, a neighbor, an uncle, whoever happened to be in the room would say, "Damn...why did we trade Lamonica?" And then the discussion would begin. That was years after the trade and it didn't really stop until Stabler took over as the Raiders QB.

 

How long can it go?  The real reason the Bills could never trade up for Ben R didn't have much to do with Donahoe. It was Rooney. The staff was intending on drafting some OL until Rooney came in the room. He just said, "You know, I've never gotten over passing on Marino in the 1983 draft."  Ben R was going to be the pick from that point on and they weren't trading down so the Bills could take him.

 

That was 22 years after the fact.

 

So yeah, when you watch your team end up 30th in offense and watch the guy you passed over set the league on fire and end up within an inch of the SB...I'm not sure how you can't say....damn.

 

 

 

 

[HeHateMe]

Why did they even have Whaley involved as a lame duck, if his presence would prevent them from taking a Franchise QB when they were desperate for one?  Makes no sense.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, CookieG said:

Some things you don't get over easily. As a kid, I grew up in the just post AFL Championship years.  Every time the Raiders were on TV, which was often...my father, an older brother, a neighbor, an uncle, whoever happened to be in the room would say, "Damn...why did we trade Lamonica?" And then the discussion would begin. That was years after the trade and it didn't really stop until Stabler took over as the Raiders QB.

 

How long can it go?  The real reason the Bills could never trade up for Ben R didn't have much to do with Donahoe. It was Rooney. The staff was intending on drafting some OL until Rooney came in the room. He just said, "You know, I've never gotten over passing on Marino in the 1983 draft."  Ben R was going to be the pick from that point on and they weren't trading down so the Bills could take him.

 

That was 22 years after the fact.

 

So yeah, when you watch your team end up 30th in offense and watch the guy you passed over set the league on fire and end up within an inch of the SB...I'm not sure how you can't say....damn.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm also one of those that remember Lamonica which means I'm getting old.  But that was a TRADE.  The Bills had Lamonica on the team with a perfect opportunity to properly evaluate him.  In the case of Mahomes we're talking about the Bill's making a trade with KC for draft position.  Did the Bills even know that the Chiefs were taking Mahomes?   And during the 2017 draft period it was hardly unanimous that Mahomes was going to be a good NFL QB.  Even the Chiefs thought he needed work as they created a situation where Mahomes, unlike this years Rookie QB class, was not expected to start and had the luxury of sitting him behind Smith.

 

But your Lamonica point makes me wonder if the Bills even got that one wrong.  I mean his fame as a QB was that he was the mad bomber who threw the long ball very well.  And in Oakland he had Warren Wells & Fred Bilitnikoff to throw the ball to.  Had the Bills kept Lamonica are we all that sure he would have had near the success in buffalo that he had in Oakland? 

[racketmaster]

1 hour ago, HeHateMe said:

Why did they even have Whaley involved as a lame duck, if his presence would prevent them from taking a Franchise QB when they were desperate for one?  Makes no sense.

Because scouting staffs rarely turn over in the spring before the draft. If McDermott was set on wanting Beane to come in as the GM and could not get Carolina to let him go until after the draft, then it leaves the Bills in sort of a pickle. 

 

Drafting a qb in the first round is one of the most important decisions an organization can make. McDermott clearly did not trust Whaley to make that decision as he was immediately let go after the draft. 

- Maybe McDermott was not comfortable making the call on the qb as he was not out in the road scouting the quarterbacks all season. I like that he was able to set his ego aside and punt the major decision down the road a year when they had all their ducks in order. 

- McDermott was a brand new coach and involved in free agency and coming up with OTA practice schedules. He had spent a ton of time assembling a staff and getting familiar with the organization. To think McDermott would have had enough time to do a proper evaluation of the qb class would be foolish. If he trusted Whaley and the scouts, a qb would have been selected but that was not the case. 

- And let’s just say McDermott went ahead and pulled the trigger on a qb in 2017. What do you think the media would have said when Whaley was fired right after the draft. The media would have had a field day poking fun of McDermott for the way he handled the situation. 

- Additionally, I believe McDermott feels strongly about team culture. He clearly did not like the culture that was present and needed time to get the environment he envisioned. I strongly believe McDermott preferred bringing his rookie qb into a situation in which the culture was good. He would want an optimal situation for the rookie to grow and mature and having a bunch of players that were going to be shipped out might not be the best situation for a young player to grow. 

 

For all all of the above reasons and more, it just was not the right time to draft a quarterback in 2017. So McDermott did the next best thing and that was to trade down and collect more picks so that they had ammunition to go after a qb the following year when their organization was in order. 

[racketmaster]

And one more thing to think of is that McDermott is a defensive coach who was working with an offensive coordinator for the first time. A coordinator he hired because he was available at the time and had worked with Taylor previously. McDermott had to think that Dennison might only be a temporary solution until he found a better option. It's very likely that McDermott felt more comfortable with Daboll than Dennison. McDermott had more time to search for the type of coordinator he was looking for to lead the offensive side of the ball. If McDermott was somewhat unsure of Dennison and thought he might just be a band-aid, then why in the world would he trust Dennison with developing the prized rookie quarterback.

 

I understand that Mahomes has looked great and it would have been nice to have him in a Bills uniform for the next 15 years but the situation was just not right and the decision makers (mainly McDermott) do not have the luxury of knowing what we know now. I think it worked out for both teams in the end as I believe Allen will be a star in his own right and a great fit for Buffalo. It really is time to move on as I think we have a good one at he position for the first time in a long time.

Edited January 23, 2019 by racketmaster

[947]

Does anybody think Mahomes would've embraced Buffalo the way Allen has? If we had drafted him, and he still somehow developed here the way he did under Reid, we'd probably have been forced to trade him a year before his rookie deal was up because he'd want to test the market.

[HeHateMe]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

Does anybody think Mahomes would've embraced Buffalo the way Allen has? If we had drafted him, and he still somehow developed here the way he did under Reid, we'd probably have been forced to trade him a year before his rookie deal was up because he'd want to test the market.

 

Why wouldn't he?  And who says Josh wouldn't want out of Buffalo in a few years...

 

[HeHateMe]

2 hours ago, racketmaster said:

Because scouting staffs rarely turn over in the spring before the draft. If McDermott was set on wanting Beane to come in as the GM and could not get Carolina to let him go until after the draft, then it leaves the Bills in sort of a pickle. 

 

Drafting a qb in the first round is one of the most important decisions an organization can make. McDermott clearly did not trust Whaley to make that decision as he was immediately let go after the draft. 

- Maybe McDermott was not comfortable making the call on the qb as he was not out in the road scouting the quarterbacks all season. I like that he was able to set his ego aside and punt the major decision down the road a year when they had all their ducks in order. 

- McDermott was a brand new coach and involved in free agency and coming up with OTA practice schedules. He had spent a ton of time assembling a staff and getting familiar with the organization. To think McDermott would have had enough time to do a proper evaluation of the qb class would be foolish. If he trusted Whaley and the scouts, a qb would have been selected but that was not the case. 

- And let’s just say McDermott went ahead and pulled the trigger on a qb in 2017. What do you think the media would have said when Whaley was fired right after the draft. The media would have had a field day poking fun of McDermott for the way he handled the situation. 

- Additionally, I believe McDermott feels strongly about team culture. He clearly did not like the culture that was present and needed time to get the environment he envisioned. I strongly believe McDermott preferred bringing his rookie qb into a situation in which the culture was good. He would want an optimal situation for the rookie to grow and mature and having a bunch of players that were going to be shipped out might not be the best situation for a young player to grow. 

 

For all all of the above reasons and more, it just was not the right time to draft a quarterback in 2017. So McDermott did the next best thing and that was to trade down and collect more picks so that they had ammunition to go after a qb the following year when their organization was in order. 

 

Whaley wasn't just a scout, he was the GM... no reason he shouldn't of been fired once McDermott was brought in in January or even once the season ended.  There was over 3 1/2 months before the draft.. everyone knew we needed a QB, he didn't have to waste a whole year to see that.

 

Team culture changes when you win, it wouldn't of ruined anybody who wasn't strong enough anyway.  We had way more offensive talent that year anyway for a rookie QB.  Way better than what we had this year especially on the line.

 

The pecking order has McDermott at the top anyways.  This is his team.

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

 

Whaley wasn't just a scout, he was the GM... no reason he shouldn't of been fired once McDermott was brought in in January or even once the season ended.  There was over 3 1/2 months before the draft.. everyone knew we needed a QB, he didn't have to waste a whole year to see that.

 

Team culture changes when you win, it wouldn't of ruined anybody who wasn't strong enough anyway.  We had way more offensive talent that year anyway for a rookie QB.  Way better than what we had this year especially on the line.

 

The pecking order has McDermott at the top anyways.  This is his team.

How could we even be certain they would of taken Mahomes if they took a QB that year? Why because he lit the NFL up a year later? Because the Chiefs traded to take him at the Bills spot? Deshaun Watson was still available and no one could really predict Mahomes would set NFL records in his second season.

[njbuff]

Why are people automatically assuming that Mahomes would work here.

 

What if Mahomes had to play as a rookie with Buffalo? 

 

Mahomes being a star here is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever. 

 

Allen had to start as a rookie and Mahomes got a chance to sit back as a rookie. BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

If Allen becomes a franchise QB here, no one will care about Mahomes, but if Allen busts.................... oh boy.

[racketmaster]

1 hour ago, HeHateMe said:

 

Whaley wasn't just a scout, he was the GM... no reason he shouldn't of been fired once McDermott was brought in in January or even once the season ended.  There was over 3 1/2 months before the draft.. everyone knew we needed a QB, he didn't have to waste a whole year to see that.

 

Team culture changes when you win, it wouldn't of ruined anybody who wasn't strong enough anyway.  We had way more offensive talent that year anyway for a rookie QB.  Way better than what we had this year especially on the line.

 

The pecking order has McDermott at the top anyways.  This is his team.

We can’t use hindsight here when evaluating a decision like this. If we could then Mahomes would have went #1 overall and we would have never had a look at him anyway. 

 

Mahomes was not seen seen as some generational talent so to go after him in 2017 when the organization was not ready would normally not be the best idea, especially when 2018 was supposed to be a very good year for quarterbacks. 

 

I think you are also underestimating what McDermott had on his plate as a first time head coach coming in from a defensive coordinator position. He is trying to settle in and hire staff and fix organizational processes. Free agency is going on and the start of OTAs. We decided to bring Taylor back on a bridge deal so we were not completely devoid of a qb option. And McDermott does not trust Whaley to do the lion share of research on the quarterbacks. This is understandable and makes complete sense. 

 

If if it were me I would have done it the exact same way as McDermott. I have a trusted friend in Beane who I want as my GM. I want to be on the same page and he is an evaluator that I trust. Why would I jump the gun on a quarterback without letting the guy I trust most get involved with this extremely important decision. This is not Mahomes in the 3rd round or later where you are taking a flyer. You would have taken him at 10 and hitching your coaching career and that of the new GM to this quarterback. It was not a good spot to take a first round qb that was not considered a no brainer. It make look like a no brainer now but it was not at the time. 

[LSHMEAB]

7 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

We can’t use hindsight here when evaluating a decision like this. If we could then Mahomes would have went #1 overall and we would have never had a look at him anyway. 

 

Mahomes was not seen seen as some generational talent so to go after him in 2017 when the organization was not ready would normally not be the best idea, especially when 2018 was supposed to be a very good year for quarterbacks. 

 

I think you are also underestimating what McDermott had on his plate as a first time head coach coming in from a defensive coordinator position. He is trying to settle in and hire staff and fix organizational processes. Free agency is going on and the start of OTAs. We decided to bring Taylor back on a bridge deal so we were not completely devoid of a qb option. And McDermott does not trust Whaley to do the lion share of research on the quarterbacks. This is understandable and makes complete sense. 

 

If if it were me I would have done it the exact same way as McDermott. I have a trusted friend in Beane who I want as my GM. I want to be on the same page and he is an evaluator that I trust. Why would I jump the gun on a quarterback without letting the guy I trust most get involved with this extremely important decision. This is not Mahomes in the 3rd round or later where you are taking a flyer. You would have taken him at 10 and hitching your coaching career and that of the new GM to this quarterback. It was not a good spot to take a first round qb that was not considered a no brainer. It make look like a no brainer now but it was not at the time. 

I wish the Bills had drafted Mahomes, but I don't really pin it on the staff. There was a whole lot going on and they made the decisions they made. They probably figured drafting a QB was too important to get wrong and preferred to let it play out for a season and go from there. 

 

What I DO have a problem with is the people twisting themselves in knots saying Mahomes wouldn't have been a great QB in Buffalo etc., etc., etc. Mahomes IS a great quarterback and he would have been great here. KC video game numbers? No. But a talent like that will do his thing anywhere. Why deny reality? 

 

The bottom line is that it's up to Allen to end all the lamenting. If Allen is the real deal, the Mahomes/Bills stuff will die out.

On 1/22/2019 at 12:34 PM, row_33 said:

I would give up almost anything to obtain Mahomes.

 

but that is all over with now, only the future to look forward to with a lot of potential in Allen.

 

Intellectual honesty is a beautiful thing.

[Yav]

On 1/10/2019 at 10:50 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

I believe 100% that if allen had the support of KC's run game, the players going up and getting area code balls for him like Kelce and hill did all year he would have been rookie of the year.

This right here is as accurate as you can get. Mahomes was 50% vs NE and that's because they doubled Hill and did a good job covering Kelce. Hill had 1 catch and the other targets were poorly placed balls that should have been pics but the NE secondary can't catch. If that was a Bills QB at 50% this board would be pissed. All season if you watch KC (and I did with Sunday ticket), you'd see that Mahomes just chucked the ball up and his playmakers adjusted and hauled the balls in. Mahomes struggled with zero coverage against NE for the second time because he struggles to read the D. He's got a strong arm yes but has to leave his feet to get it over the line. Sorry but I'll take Allen, he's got a stronger arm, he's taller and appears to be more athletic. Other than that they are both green. 

[Stank_Nasty]

33 minutes ago, Yav said:

This right here is as accurate as you can get. Mahomes was 50% vs NE and that's because they doubled Hill and did a good job covering Kelce. Hill had 1 catch and the other targets were poorly placed balls that should have been pics but the NE secondary can't catch. If that was a Bills QB at 50% this board would be pissed. All season if you watch KC (and I did with Sunday ticket), you'd see that Mahomes just chucked the ball up and his playmakers adjusted and hauled the balls in. Mahomes struggled with zero coverage against NE for the second time because he struggles to read the D. He's got a strong arm yes but has to leave his feet to get it over the line. Sorry but I'll take Allen, he's got a stronger arm, he's taller and appears to be more athletic. Other than that they are both green. 

no way i'll go that far yet. but my point remains the same..... the balls allen is getting crucified for are getting caught all around the league by plenty other wr's making plays for their qb on a weekly basis.

 

hell, big ben has basically made a career off trusting his wr's with the "area code" toss.

[Yav]

26 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Maybe because he's a damn good QB?

 

Would Peyton Manning or Tom Brady not have worked had Buffalo drafted them too?

That's simply not true at all.

 

I watched a youtube video analyzing Mahomes and he is actually amazing at reading complex defenses's. 

I guess you’re a better judge of his ability than Romo who actually pointed it out during the game. Mahomes didn’t know what to and the play resulted in a sack. But hey you watched YouTube so yea he’s amazing. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

This is still going???

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

4 hours ago, Yav said:

I guess you’re a better judge of his ability than Romo who actually pointed it out during the game. Mahomes didn’t know what to and the play resulted in a sack. But hey you watched YouTube so yea he’s amazing. 

 

He's light years ahead of Josh Allen.  

[auburnbillsbacker]

Allen is going to be good but the Bills would make that trade.  

[HeHateMe]

18 hours ago, Warcodered said:

How could we even be certain they would of taken Mahomes if they took a QB that year? Why because he lit the NFL up a year later? Because the Chiefs traded to take him at the Bills spot? Deshaun Watson was still available and no one could really predict Mahomes would set NFL records in his second season.

 

Even Pegula himself wanted Mahomes..  along with a lot of people on this very board and myself..  He had that IT factor that jumped out at you if you watched him play.  And obviously Andy Reid liked him so much to trade up to get him.

 

Unless Allen goes into the Hall of Fame, this is going to get brought up forever.

Edited January 24, 2019 by HeHateMe

[Alphadawg7]

On 1/10/2019 at 6:05 PM, LSHMEAB said:

Does that explain why he DOUBLED Alex Smith's TD production with those very same weapons? Didn't think so.

 

Mahomes is great.  

 

However, Bills would not make this trade IMO and this article is about what the Bills would do, not fans.  Some fans aren’t not sold on Allens future, and that’s fair, but I’m pretty confident that both McD and Beane are fully on board the Allen train.  And White is already a top DB and Edmunds really grew in second half the season and looks to have Pro Bowl potentially in his future.  

 

Just like KC won’t make that trade, neither will the Bills.  Bills love Allen, White, and Edmunds.

 

Mahomes threw 50 TDs and is still sitting at home like the Bills to watch the SB.  If Beane and McD are confident they have a franchise QB in Allen, you don’t trade him and two potential Pro Bowl defenders for anyone.  Ask Brees how it was for all those years throwing for all those yards and not making playoffs or even having a winning record because the D was weak.  KC defense failed them too or they would be in the SB.  Rodgers is at home every year along with Rivers, Ryan, etc because the defense has mostly been an Achilles heal on their teams over the years.  

 

But I get why some people here would do it, especially if not sold on Allen.  I just believe that McD and Beane are both of the same opinion that they found their QB and that Josh will be a special QB as well.  So trading him and giving up two of the bright young defenders to come out of last 2 drafts doesn’t seem like something they would do IMO.  

Edited January 24, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[cba fan]

4 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

Allen is going to be good but the Bills would make that trade.  

If you make the trade the article suggests: T White, Z Jones, Edmunds, for Mahomes.

 

You will still have Allen.

 

What would you do with Allen?

Edited January 24, 2019 by cba fan

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Why is this thread still going?  Mahomes plays for KC and Allen plays for Buffalo.  NOTHING is going to change that.  rinse and repeat; rinse and repeat.  20 pages of regurgitation.  

Edited January 24, 2019 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Yav]

9 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said:

 

So he gets confused on one play and suddenly he doesn't know how to read defense's? LOL

 

He had 50 TD passes in his 1st year as a starting QB in the NFL. I'm pretty sure he knows how to read defense. 

1 play...um okay. 

 

Problem is early in the season NE used zero on him and he didn't know what to do. In the championship game when it mattered NE pulled the same coverage and once again he didn't know what to do. But yea, he's awesome, I mean you watched a YouTube video and all. 

[BigDingus]

Or....and this would make a lot more sense, we just kept the pick and saved a ton of draft capital from the 2018 draft used to trade up.

[Yav]

6 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

He's light years ahead of Josh Allen.  

Time will tell. 

Right now he's on a better team with WR that actually catch the ball (minus KB) and he's playing behind a better OL and he's throwing to one of the best TE in the game. 

 

I guess by those standards yes he's "light years" ahead of Allen. 

 

In actuality he's 1 year ahead of Allen and he's sitting at home watching the Super Bowl just like 30 other starting QBs.

Lets see what he does in years 3 and 4 after the salary cap catches up with KC, and this offseason it could be. They are going to be over the cap I believe this offseason and will need to make some serious decisions and lets all keep in mind they still need to address the defensive side of the ball.

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Mahomes is great.  

 

However, Bills would not make this trade IMO and this article is about what the Bills would do, not fans.  Some fans aren’t not sold on Allens future, and that’s fair, but I’m pretty confident that both McD and Beane are fully on board the Allen train.  And White is already a top DB and Edmunds really grew in second half the season and looks to have Pro Bowl potentially in his future.  

 

Just like KC won’t make that trade, neither will the Bills.  Bills love Allen, White, and Edmunds.

 

Mahomes threw 50 TDs and is still sitting at home like the Bills to watch the SB.  If Beane and McD are confident they have a franchise QB in Allen, you don’t trade him and two potential Pro Bowl defenders for anyone.  Ask Brees how it was for all those years throwing for all those yards and not making playoffs or even having a winning record because the D was weak.  KC defense failed them too or they would be in the SB.  Rodgers is at home every year along with Rivers, Ryan, etc because the defense has mostly been an Achilles heal on their teams over the years.  

 

But I get why some people here would do it, especially if not sold on Allen.  I just believe that McD and Beane are both of the same opinion that they found their QB and that Josh will be a special QB as well.  So trading him and giving up two of the bright young defenders to come out of last 2 drafts doesn’t seem like something they would do IMO.  

If I was completely sold on Allen, I probably don't make the deal. My reservations are such that I WOULD make the deal as Mahomes is a known commodity at this point. Allen has every chance in the world to prove the Bills(and you) right.

 

That doesn't mean Allen has to put up video game numbers, as he doesn't have that type of personnel and likely won't for the foreseeable future. All he really needs to do is put up a solid season and close the gap with Mahomes.

Edited January 24, 2019 by LSHMEAB