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12 minutes ago, Iraq Vet said:

Does anyone else notice that the NFL is catching up to Mahomes?  I admit he will be good for a long time.  But not this good.  His weapons will leave via FA or retire or injure out.  Then we will see.

 

 

You put Josh on that team..... he crushes all time records...

 

Oh brother

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3 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

If the Bills had evaluated Mahomes and thought he could end up looking anything like the guy who has ripped apart the NFL this season, they obviously would have taken him with their first-round pick. Instead, they sent the 10th selection to the Chiefs for the 27th and 91st selections, along with Kansas City's 2018 first-round pick, which ended up as the 22nd pick. The Bills drafted star cornerback Tre'Davious White with Kansas City's 2017 first-rounder, and then used the other two picks in trades that eventually netted them Zay Jones and Tremaine Edmunds. Sean McDermott undoubtedly loves his two defensive building blocks, and the Bills believe that Josh Allen, their other first-rounder in 2018, can turn into a viable starter, but they would undoubtedly trade all three for Mahomes in a heartbeat.

 

 

I don't think that I would. Thoughts? BTW the article crushes the Bills over Gilmore as well.

Got Link.  

 

the post you made doesn't quite add up with the title 

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At the time the Bills made the trade, I thought we got fleeced by KC.  We should have gotten four picks in return, at least 2017 and 2018 first and second.  2017 1st and 3rd, and 2018 1st, for KC to jump from 27 to 10 [fixed, thanks to whatdrought], was not enough.  And don't give me your draft pick value bull####.  We handed KC a franchise QB for two late first-round picks and an early third-round pick.  We got boned.   

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

ESPN= talking crap with nothing better to do. 

yup. agreed 

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41 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The Chiefs would laugh at us if we offered them Allen and White for Mahomes.  This will be had trade to win because Mahomes might be an all Time great.  White is awesome but he’s a corner.  Allen would need to become a top 10 type qb.

 

but yeah, we mostly likely lost the deal. Reid took advantage of his former assistant.

Do you honestly think Allen will be the next Mahomes?  But yeah, if Allen throws for 50 tds, we won the trade.

 

I have no clue. But anyone who says they knew for sure Mahomes would look like this is wrong- there are no guarentees here. They were similar prospects coming out- freakish athletes with incredible skill sets and big questions marks. 

 

So, I don’t know if he’ll look like Mahomes, I even doubt it somewhat due to situation and offense- but I wouldn’t be shocked if he made a jump, and I wouldn’t be shocked if he was even good enough to be in the MVP talk. I also wouldn’t be shocked if none of that happened.

 

thats the point of my post. If he flames out, then we’d trade everything in our bag for Mahomes and the hindsight will look bad for the bills. But if Allens steps up and Mahomes steps back (or even if he stays the same), it changes the conversation. 

 

Also, as an aside to this whole conversation, Its important to note that you can’t judge whether a decision was right or wrong in the moment based on its outcome- you have to look at the circumstances that led to the decision. If it was obviously the wrong decision at the time (some may argue that about Mahomes, but that seems revisionist to me) that’s one thing, but just because it proves to be the wrong decision with the addition of time, doesn’t mean it was originally. 

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2 hours ago, dneveu said:

1 - We had a lameduck GM who we didn't want drafting our QB of the future

2 - Mahomes was a Junior and didn't attend the senior bowl.  

3 - McD drafted mostly players who attended the senior bowl with Milano the main exception (Tre White, Zay Jones, Dion Dawkins, Nate Peterman)

 

I don't think mahomes would really thrive here without Reid TBH - a seasoned QB coach and Offensive guy.  Not to mention our trainwreck of a line, and our utter lack of weapons.  Imagine that no look pass bouncing off of benjamins chest 😊

 

And our defense would be pretty lousy without white and edmunds.

 

I'm not sure we'd be like... drafting another QB, but I'm not sure we're much better off than we are right now.

You should probably pick a side and stick to it. Either McD missed or Whaley missed. I personally think Mahomes, Darby, Edmunds > Allen, White, and Edmunds. Even better would be Glenn in there. 

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1 hour ago, APoxOnYou said:

Tyreek Hill is the most talented player on the Chiefs, not Mahomes.

 

And when it's time to re-sign both players, I'm thinking Mahomes will get paid more than Tyreek Hill.  By at least 10M per season. 

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

As I and Boatdrinks posted.............the OP is claiming something was said that was not.........misleading title,  perhaps to rouse the rabble.

 

When did people on a message board start posting threads that resembled the click-bait ads that run on every website?  Because I'm pretty sure they're not getting paid by view.

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2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

At the time the Bills made the trade, I thought we got fleeced by KC.  We should have gotten four picks in return, at least 2017 and 2018 first and second.  2017 1st and 3rd, and 2018 1st, for KC to jump from 21 to 7, was not enough.  And don't give me your draft pick value bull####.  We handed KC a franchise QB for two late first-round picks and an early third-round pick.  We got boned.   

 

We handed the Chiefs a draft pick. 

 

I agree, it seemed like less than I would have expected, but that seems to be the market rate... based on draft value charts. 

 

 

(It was 10th to 27th) 

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I'm loving Allen and am more excited about the immediate future than I have been in a LONG time. However, if the Bills were guaranteed that by making that trade Mahomes would continue to play the way he has been (which is highly doubtful considering the lack of a supporting cast) then of course they'd make the trade. Allen is still in the 'potential' bracket, whereas Mahomes has proven he can do it consistently over a season.

 

But (and I was thinking about this yesterday when reading the QB carousal thread), if the Bills for some inexplicable reason were to release Allen tomorrow, how many teams do you think would be fighting to snag him? I'd say a hell of a lot of teams, including the likes of Denver who passed on him in the same way we passed on Mahomes. I think Elway would trade both his testicles for the chance to get Allen on his team now.

 

The moral of my post is, in hindsight we did pass on a very, very good QB, but after seeing every single Josh Allen play this season from preseason all the way to the Dolphins game, I'd say there's a damn good chance there will be plenty of teams who regret on either passing him over or not making a move for him themselves.  

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13 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

Oh brother

As long as all his throws are over the middle but shorter than 20 yards is what he meant lol. 

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As usual. people have no idea of the situation that WAS the 2018 Buffalo Bills.

 

I repeat, Mahomes WOULD NOT be the QB in Buffalo that he is in KC right now.

 

He would be a promising prospect going into his third year here.

 

Allen is a promising prospect going into his second year. Only difference between the two when it comes to being a Buffalo Bills QB.

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2 hours ago, RPbillsfan said:

The article is ridiculous.  If Patrick Mahomes would have been drafted by the Bills, sat the bench all season in 2017.  Then start with the talent level (lack of) the Bills have on offense he would have been classified as a bust, let's see:

 

TE: Clay vs Kelcie - hmmmmmmm, significant downgrade

 

WR1: Benjamin vs Hill, hmmmmmmmmm, significant downgrade

 

WR2: Zay Jones vs Sammy Watkins, slight downgrade

 

OL: Bills crap at 4 positions vs solid KC line, major downgrade

 

My guess at his stats with Buffalo would be about 30 TD's less passing, more interceptions then Allen threw and about 500 yards less rushing.

 

Plus a much worse defense now and in the future.

 

Hence, the article is complete nonsense.

Don't let your bias get in the way. 

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2 hours ago, wppete said:

Can you imagine Josh Allen in KC with all those weapons??? (Especially before Hunt got released) 

The media would be freaking out. Best QB ever hahaha

 

 

He may be before all is said and done.  What were Alex smiths numbers with all those weapons?  Oh only 26 Tds not 50.  So it isnt just the weapons, afterall look at some of the weapons and the Oline Tyrod Taylor had.

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9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

We handed the Chiefs a draft pick. 

 

I agree, it seemed like less than I would have expected, but that seems to be the market rate... based on draft value charts. 

 

 

(It was 10th to 27th)

 

Ouch.  I remembered 21 to 7, 27 to 10 makes it even worse.

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8 minutes ago, njbuff said:

As usual. people have no idea of the situation that WAS the 2018 Buffalo Bills.

 

I repeat, Mahomes WOULD NOT be the QB in Buffalo that he is in KC right now.

 

He would be a promising prospect going into his third year here.

 

Allen is a promising prospect going into his second year. Only difference between the two when it comes to being a Buffalo Bills QB.

I am very aware but we are hoping and believing Allen will put up numbers like that with better weapons.  I absolutely believe he will.

The difference is we know Mahomes does.  You have to be in the GM chair on this, not the fan chair.

 

3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Ouch.  I remembered 21 to 7, 27 to 10 makes it even worse.

Maybe its a sign 217 in both means they will be equal.

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3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Isn't it funny how the writer tries to make the word "undoubtedly" sound like a quote, instead of him just...writing.

 

 

 

The media is all like this these days. Opinion = fact

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4 minutes ago, gjv001 said:

Where does ESPN find these idiots? No wonder ESPN is having financial problems, they put out a lot of crap.

Wait, ESPN is dumb because the said Buffalo would trade for a guy who thew 50 tds in his second year? 👀

21 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I have no clue. But anyone who says they knew for sure Mahomes would look like this is wrong- there are no guarentees here. They were similar prospects coming out- freakish athletes with incredible skill sets and big questions marks. 

 

So, I don’t know if he’ll look like Mahomes, I even doubt it somewhat due to situation and offense- but I wouldn’t be shocked if he made a jump, and I wouldn’t be shocked if he was even good enough to be in the MVP talk. I also wouldn’t be shocked if none of that happened.

 

thats the point of my post. If he flames out, then we’d trade everything in our bag for Mahomes and the hindsight will look bad for the bills. But if Allens steps up and Mahomes steps back (or even if he stays the same), it changes the conversation. 

 

Also, as an aside to this whole conversation, Its important to note that you can’t judge whether a decision was right or wrong in the moment based on its outcome- you have to look at the circumstances that led to the decision. If it was obviously the wrong decision at the time (some may argue that about Mahomes, but that seems revisionist to me) that’s one thing, but just because it proves to be the wrong decision with the addition of time, doesn’t mean it was originally. 

Mahomes had 53 tds his last year in college.

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Let's take a look at the passing TD statistics throughout Andy Reid's 19 year career as a Head Coach.

 

Year     Passing TD's

1999    18

2000    21

2001    32

2002    17

2003    27

2004    27

2005    21

2006    18

2007    24

2008    23

2009    27

2010    28

2011    22

2012    18

2013    24

2014    18

2015    20

2016    19

2017    26

 

 

2018   50

 

Case closed.

 

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3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

Mahomes had 53 tds his last year in college.

So why did 9 other FO’s pass on this once in a generational talent? If college TD’s is the sole measuring stick, then NFL draft order picks should be easy! 

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It’s ESPN. Obviously. 

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21 minutes ago, njbuff said:

As usual. people have no idea of the situation that WAS the 2018 Buffalo Bills.

 

I repeat, Mahomes WOULD NOT be the QB in Buffalo that he is in KC right now.

 

He would be a promising prospect going into his third year here.

 

Allen is a promising prospect going into his second year. Only difference between the two when it comes to being a Buffalo Bills QB.

Imo, Mahomes is flat out a better qb than Allen was coming out of college.  It wasn’t really close.  

 

What scared me about Allen is he rarely dominate against lesser competition. Mahomes was dominate in college.

 

allen showed flashes but a lot of what we are hoping for is projection because he never has been a dominant qb. I watch Mahomes get 50 tds in both the pros and college.  That means something.

3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

So why did 9 other FO’s pass on this once in a generational talent? If college TD’s is the sole measuring stick, then NFL draft order picks should be easy! 

Because they are dumb and Andy Reid knows qbs better than the Bears and other bad teams at the top of the draft.

 

 

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3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

BTW, I did extensive research on both teams and came to the unique conclusion that the BIlls OLine, WRs and TEs are terrible in comparison with Kansas City.

 

You can read about all my research in Duh Magazine.

Ill take a gander, how much is a subscription?

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