Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I’m going to take a beating for this one. Anyways...... If you are the Eagles, is any part of you debating trading Wentz this offseason? The team not only won a Super Bowl with Foles, but they played completely differently underneath him this season, to the point where they turned the season around and made the playoffs. I understand Foles history before the past two years, but has he not proven enough with the Eagles to know you can win with him? He’s only 29, so he could easily have another 5-10 years left. Wentz trade value would be insane. I know this won’t happen and I know the knee jerk reactions, but I’m kinda serious here. Why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I would if I’m the Eagles. Personally I wanted Foles here before the offseason. I’m encouraged though by Allen at this point 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m going to take a beating for this one. Anyways...... If you are the Eagles, is any part of you debating trading Wentz this offseason? The team not only won a Super Bowl with Foles, but they played completely differently underneath him this season, to the point where they turned the season around and made the playoffs. I understand Foles history before the past two years, but has he not proven enough with the Eagles to know you can win with him? He’s only 29, so he could easily have another 5-10 years left. Wentz trade value would be insane. I know this won’t happen and I know the knee jerk reactions, but I’m kinda serious here. Why not? It's honestly a weird question... If he has even half of the run that he had last year, and the whole team plays better for him, it's really hard to send him away... Wentz could probably get two ones. I hate it though because it seems like the natural place for either of these two would be Miami. Edited December 31, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Trade to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 I just read an article that talked about this. Where Wentz might be the better overall QB, but Foles is the better QB for the Eagles and their scheme. The other issue, and I didn’t realize how bad it is, that the Eagles are in cap hell. They can’t even afford to Franchise tag Foles and trade him. So it would require a lot of money management. Made me feel leas crazy for asking. They also have Darby’s contract coming up soon. I’d love to bring him back. 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Trade to who? I have to think teams would trip over themselves to get him. Knowing our luck, the Pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I guess it would depend how bad his back is. Could be hard to trade if he is damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If Foles can make another run this is going to be a very interesting off season. What do you do with the QB who has made both of your playoff runs? If he hits free agency, someone will give Foles a disgusting contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: I guess it would depend how bad his back is. Could be hard to trade if he is damaged. That’s another major point. This is two straight seasons he couldn’t finish. Going into his injury last year, I had him as the NFL MVP. It’s really interesting. If Luck can bounce back, Wentz should be able to I hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Virgil said: I just read an article that talked about this. Where Wentz might be the better overall QB, but Foles is the better QB for the Eagles and their scheme. The other issue, and I didn’t realize how bad it is, that the Eagles are in cap hell. They can’t even afford to Franchise tag Foles and trade him. So it would require a lot of money management. Made me feel leas crazy for asking. They also have Darby’s contract coming up soon. I’d love to bring him back. I have to think teams would trip over themselves to get him. Knowing our luck, the Pats You just had to go there, didn't you ... ? 1. Pats lose in the divisional round. Brady plays like crap. 2. Belichick power play - I get a 2nd chance to prove I can win without Brady. You didn't let me do it with Jimmy G.; let me do it with Wentz 3. Kraft caves. Pushes Brady out. Trades Gronk and picks for Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Wentz cant stay healthy- a big problem to have. His value is probably a little lower then Philly would like right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 41 minutes ago, Virgil said: I just read an article that talked about this. Where Wentz might be the better overall QB, but Foles is the better QB for the Eagles and their scheme. The other issue, and I didn’t realize how bad it is, that the Eagles are in cap hell. They can’t even afford to Franchise tag Foles and trade him. So it would require a lot of money management. Made me feel leas crazy for asking. They also have Darby’s contract coming up soon. I’d love to bring him back. I have to think teams would trip over themselves to get him. Knowing our luck, the Pats Ron Darby is more of a M2M corner and McD is a zone guy. Not going to happen for scheme and probably personality differences. That said, Philly looks real bad trading Wentz, who likely is still not healed 100% from his ACL tear. They paid a king's ransom to move into 2nd and take him just 3 years ago. Every off-season gets longer and longer with all this speculation swirling 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Was having MVP season last year and got hurt late. This year comes back arguably not at full strength yet. Completes 69% and has a 21 td and 7 Int season. Not great, but definitely good enough to call any calls to trade him for Foles a ridiculous overreaction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Wentz is their future. Foles is just a guy. They will regret it if they stick with him after this season. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 50 minutes ago, Virgil said: I just read an article that talked about this. Where Wentz might be the better overall QB, but Foles is the better QB for the Eagles and their scheme. That's utter garbage. Wentz was playing an at MVP level before he got hurt last season. People have short memories. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 59 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m going to take a beating for this one. Anyways...... If you are the Eagles, is any part of you debating trading Wentz this offseason? The team not only won a Super Bowl with Foles, but they played completely differently underneath him this season, to the point where they turned the season around and made the playoffs. I understand Foles history before the past two years, but has he not proven enough with the Eagles to know you can win with him? He’s only 29, so he could easily have another 5-10 years left. Wentz trade value would be insane. I know this won’t happen and I know the knee jerk reactions, but I’m kinda serious here. Why not? I love Wentz but for some reason Philly seems to play better with Foles. The eagles would get kings ransom for Wentz and Foles isnt that old so i would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 This one bears watching Foles is going to want to start and who can blame him Wentz is starting to hear the injury prone whispers I’d give it one more year though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 57 minutes ago, Virgil said: I just read an article that talked about this. Where Wentz might be the better overall QB, but Foles is the better QB for the Eagles and their scheme. The other issue, and I didn’t realize how bad it is, that the Eagles are in cap hell. They can’t even afford to Franchise tag Foles and trade him. So it would require a lot of money management. Made me feel leas crazy for asking. They also have Darby’s contract coming up soon. I’d love to bring him back. I have to think teams would trip over themselves to get him. Knowing our luck, the Pats bite your Tongue! i would die if the pats got him. i think the Broncos would go all out for him. I think the bidding war for Wentz would be the most fascinating part of the whole process and now i hope it happens but praying to God he goes anywhere but the AFC East. 51 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: You just had to go there, didn't you ... ? 1. Pats lose in the divisional round. Brady plays like crap. 2. Belichick power play - I get a 2nd chance to prove I can win without Brady. You didn't let me do it with Jimmy G.; let me do it with Wentz 3. Kraft caves. Pushes Brady out. Trades Gronk and picks for Wentz. Gronk is done but they would pay big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Wentz is their future. Foles is just a guy. They will regret it if they stick with him after this season. Foles is 29. Not even close to old for an NFL QB. And I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m looking at the final results of the past two seasons and you could argue that Foles overall gets it done better for the Eagles, even though he might not overall be the better QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Wentz cant stay healthy- a big problem to have. His value is probably a little lower then Philly would like right now. wont be an issue, Wentz is young and teams are desperate. I bet he pulls 3 firsts and 2 seconds. Hell, didnt the Eagles get get two firsts for oft injured mediocre Bradford?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 They would not trade wentz. Roseman and pederson love wentz. He will be their qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Absolutely. Foles is a great fit in that offense and Wentz, who can’t stay healthy would fetch a nice return. Foles could realistically play another 6-7 years at a good level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I think they will keep Wentz... Might be interesting if Foles can deliver another SB this year though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 53 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: wont be an issue, Wentz is young and teams are desperate. I bet he pulls 3 firsts and 2 seconds. Hell, didnt the Eagles get get two firsts for oft injured mediocre Bradford?? Wentz isnt getting anything near what you said, and Bradford went for a 1st and a 4th.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Ol Dirty B said: Wentz isnt getting anything near what you said, and Bradford went for a 1st and a 4th.... i bet its close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: i bet its close I'd love to take that bet considering you were 100% wrong on something that you just had to Google search. Wentz is not fetching 3 first round picks and 2 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'd love to take that bet considering you were 100% wrong on something that you just had to Google search. Wentz is not fetching 3 first round picks and 2 seconds. Google search what?? What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Google search what?? What are you talking about? All you had to do is type Sam Bradford trade to see that what you said was completely wrong. This isnt that hard. What's your social security number? I have a few business ventures I'm interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, Ol Dirty B said: All you had to do is type Sam Bradford trade to see that what you said was completely wrong. This isnt that hard. What's your social security number? I have a few business ventures I'm interested in. id didn't feel like searching for bradford as it not worth my time. Point is they got way more than what hes worth and so would Wentz. so this means im so dumb that i would fall for scam ?? Your logic is faulty and presume to know me when you have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: id didn't feel like searching for bradford as it not worth my time. Point is they got way more than what hes worth and so would Wentz. so this means im so dumb that i would fall for scam ?? Your logic is faulty and presume to know me when you have no clue. You're not even worth it. Everything you've said has been wrong in this thread. Id didn't feel like my time... go have another beer. Edited December 31, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: You're not even worth it. Everything you've said has been wrong in this thread. Id didn't feel like my time... go have another beer. i dont drink, proof you know nothing about me .And im right deal with it. 3 firsts and 2 seconds might be much but i bet he gets 2 firsts and 1 second and probably more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 No. Ridiculous thought. Has everyone forgotten how Foles looked the first two weeks of the season? It was that which caused them to rush Wentz back a bit early. I don't know what happens to Foles in December and January but it isn't representative of his overall body of work. I hope Foles ends up in Miami. They will continue to spin wheels with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. Ridiculous thought. Has everyone forgotten how Foles looked the first two weeks of the season? It was that which caused them to rush Wentz back a bit early. I don't know what happens to Foles in December and January but it isn't representative of his overall body of work. I hope Foles ends up in Miami. They will continue to spin wheels with him. It is the Tao of Eli. Get hot when the weather gets cold and beat the Patriots in the big show. Can't wait to see if Foles does it again. And I hope the Fins pay him Stafford money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: You just had to go there, didn't you ... ? 1. Pats lose in the divisional round. Brady plays like crap. 2. Belichick power play - I get a 2nd chance to prove I can win without Brady. You didn't let me do it with Jimmy G.; let me do it with Wentz 3. Kraft caves. Pushes Brady out. Trades Gronk and picks for Wentz. Josh Allen says bring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I'm not trading Wentz if I'm the Eagles, not yet. Foles has been excellent for this team in his opportunities, but Wentz is their future and was playing at an MVP level before the knee injury. I wouldn't give Wentz some crazy, $25,000,000 a year contract or anything just yet though. If I were the Eagles I would also probably overpay to keep Foles for another 2 years if possible cap wise and he was willing to stay. Windows are usually small in the NFL unlike we've seen with the Pats. Keep Foles and Wentz through 2020 if you can and keep pushing for those Lombardi's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, H2o said: I'm not trading Wentz if I'm the Eagles, not yet. Foles has been excellent for this team in his opportunities, but Wentz is their future and was playing at an MVP level before the knee injury. I wouldn't give Wentz some crazy, $25,000,000 a year contract or anything just yet though. If I were the Eagles I would also probably overpay to keep Foles for another 2 years if possible cap wise and he was willing to stay. Windows are usually small in the NFL unlike we've seen with the Pats. Keep Foles and Wentz through 2020 if you can and keep pushing for those Lombardi's I don’t think they can afford both. They are in cap hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 It's kind of weird. He gets hurt last year, Foles come in and leads them to a Super Bowl title. Super Bowl MVP. Carson comes back this year, struggles the entire year. Gets hurt, Foles comes in and leads them to a 3-game win streak and back to the playoffs. At what point do you put Foles back on the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Virgil said: I just read an article that talked about this. Where Wentz might be the better overall QB, but Foles is the better QB for the Eagles and their scheme. The other issue, and I didn’t realize how bad it is, that the Eagles are in cap hell. They can’t even afford to Franchise tag Foles and trade him. So it would require a lot of money management. Made me feel leas crazy for asking. They also have Darby’s contract coming up soon. I’d love to bring him back. I have to think teams would trip over themselves to get him. Knowing our luck, the Pats how many teams can pay the 2nd QB $25M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Virgil said: I’m going to take a beating for this one. Anyways...... If you are the Eagles, is any part of you debating trading Wentz this offseason? The team not only won a Super Bowl with Foles, but they played completely differently underneath him this season, to the point where they turned the season around and made the playoffs. I understand Foles history before the past two years, but has he not proven enough with the Eagles to know you can win with him? He’s only 29, so he could easily have another 5-10 years left. Wentz trade value would be insane. I know this won’t happen and I know the knee jerk reactions, but I’m kinda serious here. Why not? Yes I would. Not because Foles is so great, but because Wentz is both an injury risk and development risk who can still get a high value for. Meanwhile, they are winning more with Foles anyway. How many young QBs were CROWNED the next greatest because of a small window of success? Guys like Kap, Tannehill, Carr even got massive contracts over it. Wentz had 10 weeks where he looked like he was on his way to being a top 10 QB. He didn’t do much before that and hasn’t gotten back to it since then either. Meanwhile Foles won them a SB and then got them back to playoffs this year after Wentz was failing this season to get the team winning. People will still pay a lot for Wentz based on that small window he showed. But if he comes back next year and isn’t getting the job done, his value plummets. So I would trade him now and try to get as much as you can and rebuild other parts of roster while starting Foles. Edited December 31, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If you can get Foles under contract, without a doubt you trade Wentz. I can't believe it would even be a thought. You go with the guy you are winning with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: id didn't feel like searching for bradford as it not worth my time. Point is they got way more than what hes worth and so would Wentz. so this means im so dumb that i would fall for scam ?? Your logic is faulty and presume to know me when you have no clue. I also read on this very board that Amari Cooper would not fetch a 1st. I read on this board that NO ONE would give 2 firsts for Mack. I don't think Wentz would fetch that much, but it only takes 1 team to jump and you never know. I also find it odd that a fanbase that pounds the tables when saying numbers don't tell the story when it comes to Josh Allen use numbers to justify Wentz over Foles. If Foles takes them to a 2nd straight SB...results matter. Not numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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